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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 :  08:06:15  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hear Yee, Hear Yee

My campaign is going to invlove the High Forest in depth, so I've started this thread in the hopes of gaining more lore regarding the forest and its many mysteries,

so first lets chat about the GF Tree, Now I have all the WOTC Mintipers Chapbooks, has anyone ever stated the GF Tree and the Treeghosts it can produce?

Thank you in advance for your input.
PFoA

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The Sage
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I don't think such stats actually exist, or rather, I've never encountered them anywhere.

However, IIRC, aren't the 'Treeghosts' as you say, just a tribe that split off from the Blue Bear Uthgardts in ages past...? If that's the case, then their stats shouldn't be that difficult to work out, given that you have the Uthgardt stats that are included in the Silver Marches tome.

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My character's companion in Mumadar's campaign (well, he's split off with most of the group, hunting Zhents while I and a few others check out a mill and get ambushed, but that's another story . . . ) -- anyway, he's from the Tree Ghost tribe, living (as Tarim the barbarian spellcaster put it) "in the shadow of the Grandfather Tree." They don't, actually, since it's considered sacred. But they're very close by.

If those are the people you're talking about, then they're quite the flesh-and-blood.

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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 :  16:26:18  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I don't think such stats actually exist, or rather, I've never encountered them anywhere.


Ditto, I don't recall ever seeing Stats for it be it 2nd, 3rd, or 3.5 edition.
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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 :  06:49:14  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
First of I have to say, I'm glad I can get even my fellow leared scribes scrathing their collective heads. (hehe)Nice to know that your not omnicient at least I can make you think.

Second, I dont think the GF Tree has ever been stated EVER,though my plans involve making it a living breathing demi-diety. I was wondering what anyone might have done in their campaigns based on the suggestions of the chapbooks. I might have to ask Ed or Eric about this one.

Third, The "tree-ghosts" I speak off are the ones in Mintipers Chapbooks, the living (creatures?) that the tree can produce for protection, etc.

Per Eric Boyd(who did the chap books,((and by the way does anybody know how I might contact him to ask?)))"The GF Tree is over 13,000 years old a Arakhora, possibly a form of Elder treant, perhaps the progenitors of the treant race in its modern form."
The Tree Ghosts are something different akin to Dryads with the powers of an archdriuid who can assume coporeal or noncoporeal form at will and are able to wander beyond the borders of the High Forest etc.
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 :  11:49:52  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon

First of I have to say, I'm glad I can get even my fellow leared scribes scrathing their collective heads. (hehe)Nice to know that your not omnicient at least I can make you think.
Hey, I never claimed to be omniscient, I just said that I know everything...

quote:

Second, I dont think the GF Tree has ever been stated EVER,though my plans involve making it a living breathing demi-diety. I was wondering what anyone might have done in their campaigns based on the suggestions of the chapbooks. I might have to ask Ed or Eric about this one.

That's probably your best bet. The lack of official stats and other relevant information regarding the Grandfather Tree seems to be continuity wide, as in both editions of FR...

quote:

Third, The "tree-ghosts" I speak off are the ones in Mintipers Chapbooks, the living (creatures?) that the tree can produce for protection, etc.

Per Eric Boyd(who did the chap books,((and by the way does anybody know how I might contact him to ask?)))"The GF Tree is over 13,000 years old a Arakhora, possibly a form of Elder treant, perhaps the progenitors of the treant race in its modern form."
The Tree Ghosts are something different akin to Dryads with the powers of an archdriuid who can assume coporeal or noncoporeal form at will and are able to wander beyond the borders of the High Forest etc.

By your mention of the Tree Ghosts, I guess most of us naturally assumed you were talking about the Tree Ghost Tribe that was described in one of the footnotes in GF Tree's Chapbook entry. Which entry were these Dryads mentioned?.

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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 :  17:27:12  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In part 8 of the chapbooks,"Grandfather Tree" under Chronicler's Footnotes Number 7, thought it doesnt specifially say Dryad it says "akin in some respects to Dryad or Hamadryads".

Well since the GF tree is a bust, my next question is:
The Halls of Four Ghosts, anybody have any extra info on this site, other than whats in the FCRS page 294? I remember a place of death where the bones of the dead still litter the ground where they fell, where whatever killed them is unknown but it happened quickly,Is it the Halls or some other place? Thanks

PFoA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 :  18:39:07  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
See FR5 The Savage frontier and The North.

Also FR11 Dwarves Deep:
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the short-lived lumbering town of Caddarak, now marked only by the stone hall of its lord, Darthurn, called by humans the Hall of Four Ghosts.
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The Hall of Four Ghosts: The Hall is a high, slate-roofed, leaking structure with a beautiful vaulted ceiling, and several rail-less spiral stone stairs ascending to galleries and hanging apartments. It is haunted by the ghosts of four lovers (two dwarves, an elf, and a human), whose mounting mistrust of each other led to murder. It is known as The Hall of Four Ghosts today, the presence of the dwarven lumbering town forgotten.

From the vast storage cellars of the Hall, tunnels run eastwards beneath the High Forest, under lands then settled by elves, to interior areas inhabited then only by monsters and a few dryads and korred.

The dwarves built several fortressholds to retreat to, for protection if attacked while working in the woods. Most are lost and overgrown, but those known to men include the Stronghold of the Nine and Hammer Hall.
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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 23 Mar 2004 :  07:08:53  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Faraer,
I have these products, but do you happen to know if this is the place I was speaking off in my earlier post, I'm going to have to search my realmslore to find it.

PFoA
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Sarta
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Posted - 23 Mar 2004 :  08:33:04  Show Profile Send Sarta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon

Well since the GF tree is a bust, my next question is:
The Halls of Four Ghosts, anybody have any extra info on this site, other than whats in the FCRS page 294? I remember a place of death where the bones of the dead still litter the ground where they fell, where whatever killed them is unknown but it happened quickly,Is it the Halls or some other place? Thanks



Possibly the Dungeon of Death? That sounds like a description of the results of the curse on that place. If you have access to it, you may want to check out the adventure, Dungeon Crawl -- Dungeon of Death. Not one of my all-time favorites, but it may be what you are thinking of.

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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 26 Mar 2004 :  03:53:41  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK, I knew if I looked long enough I would find it,

The North Boxed set Pg 55 under the Lost Peaks heading:
" a long dead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries">"Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves....It is truly erie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death."

Does anybody know the name of said place etc?

PFoA
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 07 Apr 2004 :  02:25:46  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I never actually stated up the Arakhora or the Tree Ghosts.

That said, the former might be approximated by an advanced elder treant (see Epic Level Handbook, page 223) with avatar-of-Silvanus-like abilities added.

For tree ghosts, I would just use the stats for dryads or hamadryads, but describe them as gnarled wood-men. I might add some ranger levels or druid levels as well.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 :  04:27:27  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i know this thread died a long time ago but i was wondering how the grandfather tree is supposed to be handled by dms etc. does it have a conciousness anymore or has the arakhora reverted to its natural state of slumber? what would wake it... what would it do?

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Murray Leeder
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 :  15:56:31  Show Profile  Visit Murray Leeder's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have no answers, but I wanted to note that Grandfather Tree and the Tree Ghosts (the tribe, that is) appear in my novel Son of Thunder.
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 :  16:00:02  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
which i havent yet read :( now its anotehr incentive to read it

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My campaign will have the PCs have a quick visit at the Grandfather Tree. I plan on having an encounter take place around it, so I'm wondering, how big is the tree (basically, how many 5' squares need i dedicate on the map for the miniatures)? Any bits of obscure lore not mentioned here or in the Silver Marches book that I could make use of that anyone knows about? Thanks!

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You've read the Grandfather Tree article?



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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

You've read the Grandfather Tree article?



Can't, the URL is blocked. If I send you a PM with my email, could you download it and send it to me mayhaps???

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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 :  12:32:29  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually my email is on my profile (not the MSN one).

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Markustay
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There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL

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Edited by - Markustay on 21 Feb 2011 23:42:50
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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL



Yeah I made a photocopy of it as a handout for my PCs. Any idea how big it would be in squares?

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

There is an adventure, IIRC, in the old Savage Frontier suplement, and it had some maps pertaining to the Grandfather Tree on the inside cover (including a pic of the tree, which I tried to turn into a vector so I could use it as a map symbol... and the drawing was so complex my comp crashed). LOL



Yeah I made a photocopy of it as a handout for my PCs. Any idea how big it would be in squares?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

You've read the Grandfather Tree article?






Just found at home that I have it printed out in a binder.

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Duneth Despana
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quote:
Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon

OK, I knew if I looked long enough I would find it,

The North Boxed set Pg 55 under the Lost Peaks heading:
" a long dead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries">"Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves....It is truly erie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death."

Does anybody know the name of said place etc?

PFoA




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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Duneth Despana

quote:
Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon

OK, I knew if I looked long enough I would find it,

The North Boxed set Pg 55 under the Lost Peaks heading:
" a long dead dwarven hold lies undisturbed as it has for 12 centuries">"Whatever destroyed this place killed everyone unawares and instantly, as most of the skeletal dwarves....It is truly erie to walk through the halls, finding dwarven skeletal forms still hard at work long after death."

Does anybody know the name of said place etc?

PFoA




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Markustay
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It may be the same place - I recall Eric waffling a bit on the name; he seemed not to care so much for the older, longer one (IIRC).

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Rils
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Interesting that this came up, because I'm currently reading through that set and got to that section last night. That same comment about the dwarf hold caught my attention to! Is there any other info about it?

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Markustay
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YES... but it hasn't been made public yet.

Here's to hoping it finds an avenue for release.

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Rils
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::WHACK::

Ah, the ever-present sound of someone running smack into the dreaded NDA-wall... :)

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Markustay
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Nope - not NDA.

The High Forest is just a finished product that WotC seems to have no interest in publishing.

I can't imagine why - if they did it in a 'profit-sharing' model, and published it digitally, it would cost them nothing, and they stand to make quite a bit. Maybe its the need for artwork - thats always a major budget snafu in a project like this. I suppose if they could find an artist willing, it could be a three-way split.

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Lumenbeing
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The Grandfather Tree has now been officially statted. Storm King's Thunder has it on page 86. I have to say, I'm kind of underwhelmed. I won't quote all the stats, but one part certainly raised my eyebrow. Turns out it "isn't self-aware." Doesn't that go against the established lore that Grandfather Tree is an Arakhora?
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