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xmaxx
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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  15:54:13  Show Profile Send xmaxx a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
At the end of the Sword of the Dales trilogy, taking place in the Daggerdale, the victorious adventurers are each granted 50 acres, for their help.

What is the value of this, money-wise?

Hyperion
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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  16:10:50  Show Profile Send Hyperion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting question. I recall that my players at the time forgot about the land and did not even sell it.
Current land values per acre in EU and US seems to range from 500 Euros to 1500 USD, from a quick internet search, at least in Europe and the US.
You could calculate, in Realms value, that you could live 50-100 months by selling 50 acres. But at the moment I don't know the average monthly paycheck of an inhabitant of the Dales. Considering renaissance-like prices, I'd say you could earn the equivalent in gold to have food, lodging and clothing for 100 months, by selling 50 acres. If you can find a willing buyer.
Also, incoming wars may drop the price of land down in Daggerdale :)

Edited by - Hyperion on 09 Oct 2015 16:11:23
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Kentinal
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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  17:14:24  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Land value like most things depend. Using 3rd SRD as a guide land that provides food is worth at least 5 gold per acre each week as income if you take profession of farmer (or other skill or trade that produces income from need of land). Thus annual income should be about 250 gp per acre. Rate of return determines how much one would need to pay for the land, also things like taxes from local ruler cuts into the earned income. However say you want your investment back in 10 years you would pay 2,500 per acre. With taxes, raids and a 20 year recovery one might pay more like 500 to 750 gold per acre. Clearly some might decide to stake out new claims and do their own protection.

There again D&D never did economics balanced or well so any calculation based on source material is really not much help.

There is no good answer, the best answer is how much the land earns and the cost of holding the land and how quick you want to get rid of it opposed to how much somebody else wants it. A case by case agreement. You can sell an acre of land for 10,000 gold if someone believes there is an artifact hidden there and best way to get it (Most adventures would just kill/incapcitate owner and try to recover before caught from what I have seen posted about high value targets).

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Rymac
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Posted - 10 Oct 2015 :  00:22:31  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xmaxx

At the end of the Sword of the Dales trilogy, taking place in the Daggerdale, the victorious adventurers are each granted 50 acres, for their help.

What is the value of this, money-wise?



Did the adventure say where the land in Daggerdale was? The value of the land depends upon how productive and/or strategic it is.

Edit to original post:

I had some time to look over the adventures. It's more than just land that's an award of land.

quote:
Each grant includes 50 acres of land, materials to build a house, and all voting rights as a landed citizen of Dagger Falls.


Other things awarded are brooches worth 50gp each and 1,000gp worth of gems to each PC. The brooches identify the owner as a person of honor; the owner of the brooch may call upon the Freedom Riders for aid/help.

quote:
Randal also offers public offices in his new government to each of the PCs.


Then there is the 10 acres of land outside of Shadowdale (does not say if it is for the group, or per individual adventurer), and a PC wizard may be a pupil of Elminster for 1d4 months. Elminster only grants these awards if all three of the Daggerdale adventures are completed.

So how much is all that worth in gold? Depends upon how it's role played! The PCs would be giving up an offer to be part of the Dale's government. They could refuse the land, graciously. They could accept it and then try to sell the land; doing that might be seen as unseemly to Randal, Elminster, and Khelben. If a hero isn't going to stick around, Randal may want the brooches back.

Then the question is: is the land salable, given the current state of Daggerdale and Dagger Falls? Hard to say.

Clearly the events of The Sword of the Dales, The Secret of Spiderhaunt, and The Return of Randal Morn assume the PCs will stick around and make Daggerdale and Shadowdale their base of operations.

2nd Edit to the post: (!)

I went back and reread parts of the first in the series, The Sword of the Dales. In Shadowdale it is 10 acres per individual, so a party of 6 could wind up with 360 acres, 300 acres in Daggerdale, and 60 acres in Shadowdale. That's enough to retire at fourth level! (The adventure series suggested for PC levels 1 - 4.)

Edited by - Rymac on 12 Oct 2015 17:40:31
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