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Shadowsoul
Senior Scribe
Ireland
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 Posted - 31 Jul 2015 : 17:24:12
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The more I hear about this AP the more I actually hate it.
The description to me sounds like what we used to do when we were younger where we would create high level characters and take on demon lords and gods until either we died or they all died. It just sounds way too over the top and too goofy for my tastes.
I mean let's look at what we have so far:
1: We have Tiamat trying to escape and making a presence in the Realms.
2: We have the Elemental Lords trying to make a presence in Faerun and trying to actually enter it.
3: Now we have a spell gone wrong "sure it did" and all the famous demon lords of old suddenly get pulled into the Underdark.
The more these stories arise the more I want to get away from the current Realms and hide in the old one. I was really willing to give this Realms a chance but my God do these stories make me want to run. Is this all Chris Perkins doing because I really wish they would give him his P45 and see him on his way. Why not just go ahead and unleash all the Devil Lords as well and really cause some damage?
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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
410 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2015 : 20:41:39
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I agree wigh your sentiment. I like to read these adventures but I could never run them (except 'Lost Mine..').
But then again, "my" Realms don't have tieflings or dragonborn or half the Monster Manual in the sense that there's stuff I just can't "believe" in. The Realms - perhaps especially 4th/5th is too cartoony for me, trying too hard to be cool while I can have blast with a small village of NPCs quarreling over the rights to fish in the nearby lake.
With 'Princes..' it is very obvious as there's no "true" evil. Just elements, no demons.
It's almost like I'd be happy with a good tale with a solid group of might be heroes and they just spam me with Superheroes
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Veritas
Learned Scribe
209 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2015 : 15:47:59
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Open bets on the next god(like) being(s) laying waste to the Realms as a setting?
Thats it, I'm packing up and moving to my private isle in Anchorome. |
Edited by - Veritas on 09 Sep 2015 15:48:47 |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Lirdolin
Learned Scribe
Germany
194 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2015 : 22:16:52
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| Although I do agree, that the next adventure should/could be little bit less epic in scale (maybe something like an Indiana Jones Quest across the Realms to find *insert Realmsian Atlantis/ awesome artifact here*?), I must say, that at least 'Out of the Abyss' and the Tiamat Adventures take place during the Sundering (according to Salvatores books). And during that time every god and godlike being wandered the Realms, sending their Chosen against other god's Chosen. Armies clash, Earth shakes and so on. So in that context, These adventures make sense in their epic scale. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2015 : 23:32:19
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
Why not just go ahead and unleash all the Devil Lords as well and really cause some damage?
I have it on good authority that the next adventure is called Hell on Faerun where all the Lords of the Nine make their play for the Realms.
j/k |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 00:09:31
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Originally posted by Lirdolin
Although I do agree, that the next adventure should/could be little bit less epic in scale (maybe something like an Indiana Jones Quest across the Realms to find *insert Realmsian Atlantis/ awesome artifact here*?), I must say, that at least 'Out of the Abyss' and the Tiamat Adventures take place during the Sundering (according to Salvatores books). And during that time every god and godlike being wandered the Realms, sending their Chosen against other god's Chosen. Armies clash, Earth shakes and so on. So in that context, These adventures make sense in their epic scale.
This is weird, because I remeber that the premise to the ToD storyline was: ''The Sundering is done, the gods are forced to be more distant, so Tiamat can go ham!! (as much sense as it can make, since Tiamat is a goddess)''. It even was on one of their GenCon posters, back in 2014.
Out of the Abyss is supposed to take place after the Sundering, AFAIK (isn't the date like 1490s or something?). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 10 Sep 2015 00:10:41 |
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Lirdolin
Learned Scribe
Germany
194 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 21:57:33
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Yup, that's right. That was the case before 'Archmage' came out... See page 356 of Archmage that puts the start of Demogorgons Rampage in Nightal 1486 DR.
As for Tiamat failing to rise see page 2 of the same novel (so clearly before Nightal 1486 DR, and hints to this can already be found in the previous two novels, because of the drows White Dragon allies).
You can't imagine what a headache that info gave me as I tried to work it into my timeline...
Archmage kicked the date of 'Leagacy of the Crystalshard' onto the trash as well.
I really hope the Sword Coast Campaign Guide will have a timeline that clears this up.
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2015 : 22:05:45
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Originally posted by Lirdolin
Yup, that's right. That was the case before 'Archmage' came out... See page 356 of Archmage that puts the start of Demogorgons Rampage in Nightal 1486 DR.
As for Tiamat failing to rise see page 2 of the same novel (so clearly before Nightal 1486 DR, and hints to this can already be found in the previous two novels, because of the drows White Dragon allies).
You can't imagine what a headache that info gave me as I tried to work it into my timeline...
Archmage kicked the date of 'Leagacy of the Crystalshard' onto the trash as well.
I really hope the Sword Coast Campaign Guide will have a timeline that clears this up.
Meh, what a mess... we really need something to recap all that happened with the Sundering (including all the info about what happened, but wasn't in their ''snapshot''). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:04:40
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| It sounds like WotC really wants to let "all the Hells break loose" in the Realms. I mean, most of the adventures thus far, from my understanding, have had something to do with great evils or some hellish lord or other vying for power or dominance in some way. Which could certainly lead to some epic storytelling, but at the same time, well...if there aren't anymore RSEs, then what are the end results going to be? I mean, if they're "just for fun" to give players more adventures, then...well I don't know how I feel about that, but if they're supposed to be events that happen in the Realms, then that could lead to some great lore, but how is that supposed to happen if there aren't supposed to be more RSEs? Or am I missing something entirely? |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:13:35
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
It sounds like WotC really wants to let "all the Hells break loose" in the Realms. I mean, most of the adventures thus far, from my understanding, have had something to do with great evils or some hellish lord or other vying for power or dominance in some way. Which could certainly lead to some epic storytelling, but at the same time, well...if there aren't anymore RSEs, then what are the end results going to be? I mean, if they're "just for fun" to give players more adventures, then...well I don't know how I feel about that, but if they're supposed to be events that happen in the Realms, then that could lead to some great lore, but how is that supposed to happen if there aren't supposed to be more RSEs? Or am I missing something entirely?
They're supposed to be RSEs that happen in the Realms (actually, no: only on the Sword Coast) every (in-universe) year or so, every single of them ending with adventurers fixing everything and everything turning more or less back to how it was before (maybe the evil guys will get a town destroyed, but that's it). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 16 Sep 2015 19:13:55 |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:16:25
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| Okay. Hmm, so there is the possibility of it being exciting, but it is also..predictable. I'm on the fence about this. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:33:57
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Okay. Hmm, so there is the possibility of it being exciting, but it is also..predictable. I'm on the fence about this.
Personally, I don't find it exciting. It's extremely far fetched. Every year, you have some god/uber evil that decides to conquer/destroy the world, and all of them (for some weird, unknown reason) happen to mainly direct their focus to the Sword Coast. And all of them are defeated by a band of adventurers. It has become a ''guess the apocalyspe of the year'' game. it cheapens the threat, and makes it really uninteresting and repetitive (to me, at least). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 16 Sep 2015 19:38:43 |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:40:19
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| That's why I'm on the fence about it, and why I said it's predictable. It has the potential to be exciting (the concept is there at least), but as you said, it is repetitive, and we know the outcome before it begins. |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:43:16
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
That's why I'm on the fence about it, and why I said it's predictable. It has the potential to be exciting (the concept is there at least), but as you said, it is repetitive, and we know the outcome before it begins.
Yes that hurts the enjoyablility of the books, but there's also the fact that this ''one apocalypse/year, all on the Sword Coast'' trend utterly destroys suspension of disbelief (even more than all the Spellplagues/Sunderings/divine dramas did). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 16 Sep 2015 19:43:56 |
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Gurgle Gobblespit
Acolyte
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 19:51:17
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Originally posted by Veritas
Open bets on the next god(like) being(s) laying waste to the Realms as a setting?
The next D&D 5th Edition AP…… Fury of Devils  |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 19:59:06
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Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit
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Originally posted by Veritas
Open bets on the next god(like) being(s) laying waste to the Realms as a setting?
The next D&D 5th Edition AP…… Fury of Devils
The next adventure is likely to include a giant tentacled frog-like creature (according to a tweet from Perkins). So, something cthulhu-esque? |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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pedro2112
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 06:55:56
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| Perkins also tweeted that they may include the Kraken Society in a future storyline. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 13:02:05
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Yes, the Emerald Enclave is an ancient foe of the Kraken Society.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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pedro2112
Acolyte
11 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2015 : 04:53:06
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| From a recent interview with Perkins, it sounds like an upcoming AP may be Ravenloft based. Also, there was a hint of perhaps one based near Halruaa! (airships!) |
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moonbeast
Senior Scribe
USA
522 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2015 : 10:06:43
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IMHO, I'd like to see WoTC steer away from these huge "epic" Evil-Godzilla-Demon-Deities-Gonna-Stomp-the-Sword-Coast every year adventures. It's getting really old.
I suggest they return to the small portable adventure "modules" (yes I remember that TSR called them modules in my younger days), similar in style to the old Keep on the Borderlands, or even the Giants series. By portable, I want them to be written (or re-written) that they can easily be used for almost ANY setting. For example, if the adventure takes place in a deep wicked forest, then it should easily be usable in just about ANY deep dangerous forest in Faerun, Eberron, or Greyhawk. Make them smaller adventures that do not involve ganking deities and Demon-lords. Make them completable in a few sessions. Maybe finishing the adventure will level up the PCs like 2 or 3 levels at most.
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Out of the Abyss: My thoughts.
