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Gary Dallison
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Xar
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2014 : 13:10:50
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Oct 2014 : 14:07:26
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If you've read the fan-work Elves of Faerûn, I did a piece on a theoretical new group called 'Brown Elves', which are a nomadic branch. I mention the Poscadar Elves in that. Just a mention, and lumped in 2 other groups (one from the Ruarin and one from Zakhara... which are probably part of the same, larger 'southern group' of dark-skinned (VERY tan) Elves.
All three are known for their xenophobia and reluctance to deal with outsiders... some more violently then others. I would hazard to guess they are really just a sub-group of Green (wild/Sylvan) Elves, or in 4e parlance, 'just elves' (as opposed to Eladrin). |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Oct 2014 : 17:36:28
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In my 'Old West meets FR' game (which took place in Anchorome, which looked suspiciously like the Savage Baronies from Mystara  ), I had three major elven 'nations' - the Vulcari, the Klingonesti, and the Romulari, which didn't get along so well.
Loosely based, of course, on the Vulcans, Romulans, and Klingons from Star Trek (of which I am a bg fan). I do indeed steal from everywhere. For example, the Klingonesti were the most warlike, but they had a high sense of honor.
Sadly, no-one every got to meet them, like so much else I had put into that short-lived campaign. The world just wasn't ready for gunslinger halflings. |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Mar 2015 : 18:10:55
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TBeholder
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Posted - 03 Mar 2015 : 08:45:05
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Originally posted by Markustay
I mention the Poscadar Elves in that. Just a mention, and lumped in 2 other groups (one from the Ruarin and one from Zakhara... which are probably part of the same, larger 'southern group' of dark-skinned (VERY tan) Elves.
All three are known for their xenophobia and reluctance to deal with outsiders... some more violently then others.
Please elaborate. 
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Well im leaning towards them being another type of being entirely that just happens to look like elves (convergent evolution or something like that).
Why? Because the Poscadari don't... uh... act like most elves?  |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Mar 2015 : 18:04:38
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But Poscadar elves come from Poscadar, which is north of Maztica - almost entirely off the most northern map of the most northern adventure we got for that region.
In other words... Anchoromé. 
Only humans are native to Maztica (and perhaps some scaleyfolk - there is mention of 'the ancients'), and not even all of them (at least two canon migrations from Kar-Turrans). Mazticans believe they came from 'the true World', and believe that their 'god' will come for them someday. Their pantheon is suspiciously very similar to the draconic one (with one exception) in make-up (but perhaps not in appearance). Drow and dwarves are most definitely interlopers.
I like to blame the Tlincallis (scorpionfolk) on Tiamat, since she created them in RW mythology, and blame that whole thing on her rivalry with Lolth ('Demon Queen' vs 'Devil Queen'). Basically, I just say Maztican drow worship Tiamat instead, which fits in with how I picture their pantheon (draconic), and she punished the 'bad ones' by turning them into Tlincallis (in imitation of what Lolth does with driders). Just as with the driders, they eventually became their own race.
In my (Old West) Anchoromé campaign, I had it where the Poscadar (southern) elves were more like DL (Krynn) Wood elves, with a heavy 'Native American' vibe going on, and the northern ones were more civilized and technologically advanced (built artificial limbs and what-not... and also had a monorail!). So they were all elves, but not like elves found elsewhere on Toril.
I am so hoping Maztica comes back, and they do it right this time. So much potential wasted on RW derivations. It could be AWESOME. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Mar 2015 : 11:36:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
In my (Old West) Anchoromé campaign, I had it where the Poscadar (southern) elves were more like DL (Krynn) Wood elves, with a heavy 'Native American' vibe going on, and the northern ones were more civilized and technologically advanced (built artificial limbs and what-not... and also had a monorail!). So they were all elves, but not like elves found elsewhere on Toril.
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Ancient avariel legends say they went north and west, maybe they could be the advanced elves there. As for posdacar elves, I always thought of them with this 'native american' style, in special because of the picture in the Maztica map that shows a mohican-haired elf. |
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Roseweave
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Posted - 02 Apr 2015 : 19:07:08
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Just been researching this.
From description, they seem like a sub-type of Sun Elf - given their bronze skin and the Realms wiki listing them as Eladrin.
I really like the idea of them being a type of Sun Elf and that's why the Elves of Evermeet didn't like dealing with them - as they'd recanted on their ways. Given the proximity of the "Native American" Elf to Evermeet in this photo - http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/5/59/Cordell's_Voyage.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140727151420 - it seems likely to me. Many of them may have held onto their ways though, and they are a great way of adding anachronisms to a campaign's version of Anarchromé just as elves introduced things like violins and ballet to a largely Medieval/Renaissance based Realms.
I also like the idea that Fae(so more so High Elves/Eladrin and a little less so Wood Elves, though they already have a more diverse range of skintones anyway) slowly adapted to human cultures and ethnicities over the few thousand years they've been around, since the Feywild/Faerie is a reflection of the real world.
This makes a lot of sense given different locations will have their own "Fae" and it seems odd that ethnicities would be restricted to humans in the first place. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 03:46:40
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Originally posted by Roseweave
From description, they seem like a sub-type of Sun Elf - given their bronze skin
Given that Green elves are copper-ish to brown, they may fit.
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and the Realms wiki listing them as Eladrin.
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I really like the idea of them being a type of Sun Elf and that's why the Elves of Evermeet didn't like dealing with them - as they'd recanted on their ways. Given the proximity of the "Native American" Elf to Evermeet [..] it seems likely to me.
Isn't deviation from the Glorious Elven Ways (that ended up with them in Retreat) is enough of a reason to pout at them, no matter their ancestry?
Also, they may be close, but are elves of Evermeet great explorers? It seems to be contrary to the whole point. |
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Roseweave
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Posted - 03 Apr 2015 : 05:11:55
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Barastir
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Posted - 05 Apr 2015 : 20:33:58
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Some green elves in Evermeet also have a "native american" feel, so maybe there IS migration from the western lands to Evermeet.  |
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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
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Roseweave
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Posted - 06 Apr 2015 : 23:50:21
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Roseweave
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Posted - 07 Apr 2015 : 00:16:03
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Apr 2015 : 00:29:27
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Trying to find a copy of "Gold and glory" which is no longer on the site, anyone have it?
Are you referring to the FR15 Gold & Glory supplement? The pdf is sold via drivethrurpg.com, for $5. I don't know of any legally available downloads, other than that site.
Or you could hit up NobleKnight.com or eBay for a print copy. |
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Roseweave
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Posted - 07 Apr 2015 : 01:30:27
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Apr 2015 : 03:10:16
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Originally posted by Roseweave
I imagine that there may be different varieties of Elves (...)
Remember there are variations among the pre-existent subraces, not exactly having to be other varieties, like the Zakharan elves (physically being like the Faerûnian Moon and Sun elves) or the Llewyr elves (physically sun elves, but similar to wood elves in behavior - although they look like gray elves from the 2e Monster Manual). |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Roseweave
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Posted - 09 Apr 2015 : 19:19:30
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It makes sense for the Poscadar to be something similar to Llewyr elves then maybe.
Also I immediately thought of Merrill from Dragon Age II, lol. |
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