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Gary Dallison
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sleyvas
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Posted - 17 Sep 2014 : 00:11:24
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I'd recommend reading the trilogy based on Thay's ousting of its Zulkirs. They're prominent in all 3 books. However, its not until the fall that they actually become the Brotherhood of the Griffin. BTW, the original canon lore has it that the Thayan Griffin Legion are all casters, but the books start having them being more warriors. My take on that is that EITHER during the war many of the mages were slain but their mounts survived, OR there were 2 different Griffin legions, OR the canon lore was incorrect and the number of mages was overblown. Personally, I prefer either the first or second option.
Oh, I made up a prestige class to cover the whole griffin as a familiar thing that might be worth looking at.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9304
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Sep 2014 : 17:50:51
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@Sleyvas - "Use the lore to fix the lore".
During the Horde wars, the original Griffin legion was all but wiped-out by Yamun Kahan (actually his general from Shou Lung... forgot his name... Batu?) It would probably have been pretty hard to replace all those casters, especially after the surviving ones saw how easily they could be defeated by a few thousand bowmen.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 Sep 2014 : 18:01:03
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quote: Originally posted by Markustay
@Sleyvas - "Use the lore to fix the lore".
During the Horde wars, the original Griffin legion was all but wiped-out by Yamun Kahan (actually his general from Shou Lung... forgot his name... Batu?) It would probably have been pretty hard to replace all those casters, especially after the surviving ones saw how easily they could be defeated by a few thousand bowmen.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 18 Sep 2014 : 02:53:34
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quote: Originally posted by Markustay
@Sleyvas - "Use the lore to fix the lore".
During the Horde wars, the original Griffin legion was all but wiped-out by Yamun Kahan (actually his general from Shou Lung... forgot his name... Batu?) It would probably have been pretty hard to replace all those casters, especially after the surviving ones saw how easily they could be defeated by a few thousand bowmen.
This is true. One other take I often used in Thay was that there were a lot more simulacrums in Thay than you would find anywhere else. It wouldn't be unusual for one red wizard to create several simulacrums from the body of a rival (and there would actually be a kind of black market for selling the flesh of dead rivals.... someone might want a simulacrum that can cast the spells that they themselves have as opposition schools). Primarily, red wizards would do this in order to fill their circles with competent mages completely under their control, and these simulacrums could train the lesser apprentices. Anyway, I picture the original Griffon Legion as filled with many of these simulacrums, so refilling their ranks wouldn't be so hard. In supplying simulacrums to the legion, the red wizards end up earning "political" credits with the Tharchion.... and spies within the region. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 21 Sep 2014 : 18:38:51
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Hmmmm...
Thats kind of the opposite of where I was going with that: The (lore) problem was that the Griffon Legion (now) is represented as something very different then how it was portrayed in earlier lore, and I was giving a (canon) reason why the make-up of it would be very different in the years following The horde invasions.
I like the simulcrum idea, but it doesn't fix the gaff - if anything, it makes it worse.
It doesn't matter though - for whatever (RW) reasons, Thay is constantly morphing into something else, since 1e (and before that, "Ed's realms"). Thay seems to get reinvented for whatever the latest D&D trend is. Thats why its lore looks so patch-work now. I've given up on explaining things in my own games (because I now run a world based on FR, but NOT FR, so I needn't worry about all the inconsistencies).
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