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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

I was wondering what you guys though of the idea that someone like the srisnhee would have the ability to cast level 10 true dweomers?

Im well avery that Mystra changed/banned that kind of magic, or changed the outlet of magic so that level 10+ was nigh impossible, but what you think of the idea? Its in a 3.5 D&D game, where the spell plague have not happened. Ca year 1380.

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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

No... Well, not exactly. Do you have "Secrets of the Magister"? If i need to I'll type out the explanation for you, but it is long. If you have it, refer to page 91.

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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Well, as this page states, it was not just 12th and 11th level spells in the "ban". It was SPECIFIC (I read this as most but not all) 10th level spells as well, but apparently there are exceptions.

Also according to the page, these spells CAN be cast given the proper requisites, including a supporting caster.

Now, when considering the Srinshee we must remember that she IS a chosen of Mystra (Ed has confirmed this in his scroll), so it might be possible for her to cast these spells without a supporting caster and without the wild magic effects. As the page says below, a Magister WILL be successful and I assume Chosen would be as well, but will draw Mystra's attention and Choice - so one must assume it is frowned upon at least.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

The answer is slightly different in the products noted above. Cormanthyr appears to state that elves can cast 10th level spells and that humans can't. The Magister appears to state that anyone can cast 10th level spells as long as they are receiving deific and mechanical assistance (i.e. the anchoring thing). What is clear is that 11th and 12th level spells are totally off limits.

I think both sources are true in that the elves can cast 10th level spells easier than humans because of their affinity to the Weave and the likely 'ongoing' deific support provided to them by their pantheon. In other words, you get the 10th level green light from Corellon pretty much whenever you want it. Mystra is a tougher sell for permission.

Lastly, 'true dweomers' are a rules construct. While they are mentioned in a few FR sources, my view is that with the rules/edition changes they are simply nomenclature, not a different type of spellcasting anymore.

-- George Krashos

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Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Which novel describes the Srinshee becoming a chosen? It was explicity stated as that is the point where she changed from being a baelnorn to the youthful girl that she is seen as now.

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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well, Kuje31, this is indeed your lucky day. Ed had a few spare moments just now (fresh from explaining Chaucer to a young lady patron at the library), and was able to pound out a quick reply, to whit:

Yup, that passage seems pretty clear to me. Can one hint any more directly? I suppose one could mistake that passage to mean the Srinshee was a goddess, but if one doesn’t reach that conclusion, I don’t think one can read objectively and twist it to mean she isn’t a Chosen. :}
So let me state it baldly, here and now: as far as we mortals can tell, looking briefly through the eyes of Vangerdahast, a man quite familiar with magic and with the company of certain Chosen, the Srinshee IS a Chosen.
While I’m at it, let me reiterate: Mystra is the most powerful deity of the Faerunian pantheon, by virtue of the fact that Toril is so overwhelmingly governed, sourced, and powered by magic. (If Ao the Overgod exists, Ao is for purposes of this argument “more” than a deity.) This is why Mystra’s power (the silver fire) is divided up among many mortals: her Chosen. The “Chosen” of Mystra are different than the “Chosen” of other deities (who tend to be champions, advocates, servitors, and so on, who if they have any of the direct power of the deity, are lent it by the deity in a manner quite different from Mystra’s probably-unwilling sharing).
There are other Chosen of Mystra besides her willing servants (Elminster, Khelben, and the Seven), many of them as yet unidentified in Realmslore. All of them serve Mystra in their own ways.
The precise nature of what it is to be a Chosen of Mystra still hasn’t been fully revealed, and is too vast and complicated to be easily expressed in terms of prestige classes or other rules forms and details. On the other hand, mortals can never perfectly understand the gods, because mortals can only see things with mortal perceptions and senses.
So (as they say) continue to talk amongst yourselves. :}

So saith Ed. I should underscore that his “your characters, and for that matter the game designers and fiction writers of our real world, can’t possibly know and understand everything about the gods” theme is one he has reiterated to us original players for 25 years now – and for that matter, as an original player who had to “sign off” on the original Realms agreement with TSR, let me remind everyone that when Ed speaks about the Realms, he does so with absolute authority: if he says the Srinshee is a Chosen, she IS. Realms game designers and fiction writers can change that, later, with an in-game, in-the-Realms explanation or series of events to bring about the change (like the Avatar/Time of Troubles products), but in any lore dispute about the Realms, Ed wins. Sorta like Tolkien wins if we’re talking Middle-Earth, McCaffrey if we’re talking Pern, and so on.
THO

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

May 1st, 2004, Questions for Ed (2004):

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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Well, Kuje31, this is indeed your lucky day. Ed had a few spare moments just now (fresh from explaining Chaucer to a young lady patron at the library), and was able to pound out a quick reply, to whit:

Yup, that passage seems pretty clear to me. Can one hint any more directly? I suppose one could mistake that passage to mean the Srinshee was a goddess, but if one doesn’t reach that conclusion, I don’t think one can read objectively and twist it to mean she isn’t a Chosen. :}
So let me state it baldly, here and now: as far as we mortals can tell, looking briefly through the eyes of Vangerdahast, a man quite familiar with magic and with the company of certain Chosen, the Srinshee IS a Chosen.
While I’m at it, let me reiterate: Mystra is the most powerful deity of the Faerunian pantheon, by virtue of the fact that Toril is so overwhelmingly governed, sourced, and powered by magic. (If Ao the Overgod exists, Ao is for purposes of this argument “more” than a deity.) This is why Mystra’s power (the silver fire) is divided up among many mortals: her Chosen. The “Chosen” of Mystra are different than the “Chosen” of other deities (who tend to be champions, advocates, servitors, and so on, who if they have any of the direct power of the deity, are lent it by the deity in a manner quite different from Mystra’s probably-unwilling sharing).
There are other Chosen of Mystra besides her willing servants (Elminster, Khelben, and the Seven), many of them as yet unidentified in Realmslore. All of them serve Mystra in their own ways.
The precise nature of what it is to be a Chosen of Mystra still hasn’t been fully revealed, and is too vast and complicated to be easily expressed in terms of prestige classes or other rules forms and details. On the other hand, mortals can never perfectly understand the gods, because mortals can only see things with mortal perceptions and senses.
So (as they say) continue to talk amongst yourselves. :}

So saith Ed. I should underscore that his “your characters, and for that matter the game designers and fiction writers of our real world, can’t possibly know and understand everything about the gods” theme is one he has reiterated to us original players for 25 years now – and for that matter, as an original player who had to “sign off” on the original Realms agreement with TSR, let me remind everyone that when Ed speaks about the Realms, he does so with absolute authority: if he says the Srinshee is a Chosen, she IS. Realms game designers and fiction writers can change that, later, with an in-game, in-the-Realms explanation or series of events to bring about the change (like the Avatar/Time of Troubles products), but in any lore dispute about the Realms, Ed wins. Sorta like Tolkien wins if we’re talking Middle-Earth, McCaffrey if we’re talking Pern, and so on.
THO

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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

As an aside, I would point out one thing about the Srinshee that is also true. She is an elven High Mage. She can cast high magic rituals... AND we have seen her cast at least 1 ritual of compliment alone, though she might have been drawing on the power of the ruler's blade to do so.

At any rate, I would not put her in among those who rush in and take risks. We've seen her act openly only 3 times in 700 years - all in Eds "Time to save the Realms" moments :P

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