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 Mystara is mad at Lolth ...what does that entail
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silverwolfer
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  04:58:28  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So demonweb, tried to create magic, failed. Mystara is back and mad; usually the two arn't really enemies anymore then any other usual god. What do you think this will entail in the future, a Greenwood and Salvataore team up, Elm + Drizzit putting the smack down on Lloth ?

xaeyruudh
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  06:07:55  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would be happy to see a Greenwood/Salvatore collaboration, but they have different styles and I'm not sure putting them together will have better results than both of them writing separately. Also, I suspect we've already seen some results of them sharing thoughts; it doesn't need to have both their names on the cover.

As to your Elminster + Drizzt suggestion, I can only assume/hope you're trolling.

I don't have any ideas for a Mystra/Lolth catfight yet. I think it's overblown since Shar is the bigger and more logical opponent, but 4e changed pretty much everything there was to change so I dunno. Hopefully the Sundering storyline provides adequate closure to the 4e storylines and the 5e campaign setting lays a foundation for the next iteration.

Since they've created a conflict between Mystra and Lolth, I'm guessing that this issue will be answered in the campaign setting.
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TBeholder
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  09:04:45  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What it have to do with Mystara?

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Irennan
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  10:09:31  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hasn't this already been resolved in the Rise of the Underdark? Specifically, with Mystra showing up, aiding adventurers in defeating Lolth (or her avatar, or w/e it was) and collapsing the demon weave?

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silverwolfer
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  17:58:59  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would say it prevented it, but I would not say it resolved it. It is sort of out of left field for someone who is , I don't know. I woulnd't call Lloth a minor player in the wider scheme of things but just sort of out of her domain, unless you consider "spiders" enough reason to have a net, web, or weave of magic under her control.

It is a bit of a logic leap of the weave = spider web, but it still was a serious power play, by someone who normally would not be in that realm of competition, and treats arcane casters like shit anyways.

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TBeholder
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 :  20:12:21  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In other words: a scenario based on a single stupid pun, rather that history of the setting.
Go on, folk, continue to say Hasbro with its Verminman tradition doesn't matter and/or marketing droids aren't the ones who make decision.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 20 Apr 2014 :  06:56:34  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

In other words: a scenario based on a single stupid pun, rather that history of the setting.

-Well, while 'Lolth' and 'magic' don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, I wouldn't necessarily say that its out of character, or not in line with the history of the world. Lolth is evil, conniving, scheming, power-hungry, and plenty of other terms in that vein. Mystra is or was out of action, and a fairly large hole opened up (sovereignty over magic and/or magicians, in whole or in part). It would be more out of character for there not to have been some kind of scramble to fill in the void. I would assume that Lolth was one of many who tried, and apparently the only one whose attempts were recorded.

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Edited by - Lord Karsus on 20 Apr 2014 06:57:14
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 20 Apr 2014 :  15:45:57  Show Profile  Visit Sill Alias's Homepage Send Sill Alias a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is likely that human and demihuman pantheons do not interact with each other as closely as amongst each other. Of course, there will be enmity, since attempt of usurping domain is usually serious offense.

But, if it is returned Midnight, she may act differently than usual gods.

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TBeholder
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Posted - 20 Apr 2014 :  19:14:43  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

In other words: a scenario based on a single stupid pun, rather that history of the setting.

-Well, while 'Lolth' and 'magic' don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, I wouldn't necessarily say that its out of character, or not in line with the history of the world. Lolth is evil, conniving, scheming, power-hungry, and plenty of other terms in that vein.
None of which does somehow mean that using her as the Universal Fallback Villain automatically makes non-zero amount of sense.
Also, "scheming" does not include "blind grabbing instinct" or "for the evulz! mwahahaha!". More of the opposite, in fact.
Specifically, Lolth and on Faerun cooperated with Mystra earlier at least twice (Sshammath, Liriel). Without trying to cap it with cartoonish stupidity that would allow her to lose gain at the end, at that.
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Mystra is or was out of action, and a fairly large hole opened up (sovereignty over magic and/or magicians, in whole or in part). It would be more out of character for there not to have been some kind of scramble to fill in the void. I would assume that Lolth was one of many who tried, and apparently the only one whose attempts were recorded.
One, the latter part is visibly contrived post-factum.
Two, specifically Lolth has a history of keeping high compatibility rather than customizing herself for a local deity position on any single world.
Of course, she would have to make a move if it was needed to keep her ex from encroaching on this area, but that's it - and even then she would focus on leaving as many burns as possible on his butt rather than on moving her own toward the contested chair, so even if she made a visible move, this most likely would end up in bargaining with third parties for agreeing on the "compromise" of not going further than she planned from the start or something in this vein.

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Veritas
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 :  02:47:51  Show Profile  Visit Veritas's Homepage Send Veritas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lolth is a natural choice to attempt to usurp magic. The Weave already implies a sophisticated structure to access magic. Even among deities, Lolth's expertise at spinning webs is unsurpassed. She may be one of an extremely small cadre of deities with the skill and power to build a new weave.
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