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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 07:22:57
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I don't think we can say for sure. Vallahir may not be a compound word. Even if it turns out to be a compound, we don't know if the either part means mountain. It could mean "high-valley." We also cannot tell where the morpheme boundaries are. It could be related to the word "lhar" (gap/pass). If so, then the other morpheme could be val instead of valla.
You could possibly use the word "momdin" (peak/crag/height).
The dwarven afterlife is named "Erackinor" which is often translated as "Dwarven mountain." It's also translated as "Dwarfhome." But we don't know that "dwarven mountain" is a literal translation; Erackinor could just be a name. Like Olympus, Fuji, or Asgard.
What's weird is that I don't see a word for "dwarf" anywhere. Need to check my sources. If Erack means dwarf, then Inor could mean home or mountain. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 18:25:08
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Very odd, isn't it? 
No Dwarven words for dwarf or mountain, nor any of the compass directions - all things closely associated with Dwarves.
I could easily create a word by combining 'hill' with 'great height' - Morndintor - but that doesn't seem right to me. It would be like a sailor calling a ship a 'big boat' - very disingenuous. Dwarves would definitely have their own word for mountain.
I also have to wonder what 'Tsorg' means - they called Kryptgarden Tsorgvudd.
And reading through Dwarves deep once-again (haven't read it cover-to-cover in years) has inspired me to continue on after my current project is done and create a new map of the north.
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2015 : 15:43:51
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I finally heard from Ed on this after a while, and this is what he had to say about structuring sentences in Dwarven, per a FaceBook private message:
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Construction [is] like English, but many dwarves in everyday speech sound like Klingon speakers, in that they bark out the minimum words necessary ("Go!" or "Agreed!" or "Hunt first!")
One grace note to add: in ancient times, many dwarves for emphasis would put the essential yes/no or verb of a sentence first, then say the sentence with verb or yes/no in its proper place. e.g.: "Yes! I agree to that, yes, and so do all of my axebrothers; we shall do that."
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Edited by - Galuf the Dwarf on 03 Aug 2015 15:46:50 |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 04 Aug 2015 : 00:43:41
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
P.S. see also this article for a few more dwarven words and sayings from Ed: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rl/20061018a
Can anybody link to this as an archive.wizards (unbroken link)? |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2015 : 01:55:04
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Originally posted by Duneth Despana
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
P.S. see also this article for a few more dwarven words and sayings from Ed: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rl/20061018a
Can anybody link to this as an archive.wizards (unbroken link)?
like so? |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
1268 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2015 : 01:57:05
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Originally posted by Duneth Despana
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
P.S. see also this article for a few more dwarven words and sayings from Ed: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rl/20061018a
Can anybody link to this as an archive.wizards (unbroken link)?
like so? |
- Delwa Aunglor
I am off to slay yon refrigerator and spoil it's horde. Go for the cheese, Boo!
"The Realms change; seldom at the speed desired of those who strive, but far too quickly for those who resist." - The Simbul, taken from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Conspectus |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
273 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2015 : 08:54:54
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« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Aug 2015 : 14:15:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Knowing Ed, he prolly has enough notes on dwarven vocabulary to fill another tome the size of Dwarves Deep. I'm more inclined to think that "mountain" was a victim of word count and/or editting. 
We know there were cuts, indeed:
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The dwarven language section of FR11 was kept short [...]
For more dwarven language see also here and here. |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
273 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2015 : 14:11:32
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I made Eric Boyd's day the other week when I sent him through a dwarven lexicon.
-- George Krashos
Is that something that could be shared here? or hosted at the 'Keep? Thanks in advance! |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2015 : 00:12:28
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It's still a work in progress, but I'll send it through when I get it ship-shape.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
273 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2015 : 01:42:22
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| Sweet! Can't wait! Thanks! |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 14:34:14
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Originally posted by George Krashos
It's still a work in progress, but I'll send it through when I get it ship-shape.
-- George Krashos
Any news of this dwarven lexicon? I was unable to find it in Aulondo's Library or any other Candlekeep source, but that might be due to my poor grasp of the organisation of the shelves.
I'd really love to know how to say some phrases in Dwarfish.
1) Keeper of Secrets Under the Mountain.
2) Realms of Glittering Swords.
3) Blood-Metal or Orcslayer.
4) Earthfast.
5) City (dwarven). If there is another word for human city, I'd love to know that as well.
6) Ale.
7) Various types of strong liquor and spirits. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 16:06:35
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by George Krashos
It's still a work in progress, but I'll send it through when I get it ship-shape.
-- George Krashos
Any news of this dwarven lexicon? I was unable to find it in Aulondo's Library or any other Candlekeep source, but that might be due to my poor grasp of the organisation of the shelves.
I'd really love to know how to say some phrases in Dwarfish.
1) Keeper of Secrets Under the Mountain.
2) Realms of Glittering Swords.
3) Blood-Metal or Orcslayer.
4) Earthfast.
5) City (dwarven). If there is another word for human city, I'd love to know that as well.
6) Ale.
7) Various types of strong liquor and spirits.
PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you what I've got.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2018 : 04:47:38
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by George Krashos
It's still a work in progress, but I'll send it through when I get it ship-shape.
-- George Krashos
Any news of this dwarven lexicon? I was unable to find it in Aulondo's Library or any other Candlekeep source, but that might be due to my poor grasp of the organisation of the shelves.
I'd really love to know how to say some phrases in Dwarfish.
1) Keeper of Secrets Under the Mountain.
2) Realms of Glittering Swords.
3) Blood-Metal or Orcslayer.
4) Earthfast.
5) City (dwarven). If there is another word for human city, I'd love to know that as well.
6) Ale.
7) Various types of strong liquor and spirits.
Having Dwarves Deep right in front of me, I'll see what I can come up with.
1) "Secrets under the Mountain" would translate to something like "deladarxothmorndin" or "deladarxundermorndin." "Barak" means shield, backbone or strength, and (unless I'm mistaken) could also mean protector or keeper, so I would suggest something like "barakdeladarxothmorndin" or "barakdeladarxundermorndin."
2) "Olor" means "Realms" or "Toril" while "runedar" means "familiar place" or "home" or "haven." "Splendarr" means something bright, shining or beautiful. "Agland" means sword. Put those all together, and you've got something like "Olorsplendarragland" or "Runedarsplendarragland."
3) "Sargh" means orc and "Arglar" means to butcher. "Corl" means to kill while "Corlar" means killer, so Orcslayer would probably translate to "Sarghcorlar" or "Sargharglar."
4) Not finding anything.
5) The closest I can find to "City" is "Runedar" (familiar place, as stated earlier). "Arau" means "great/huge/gigantic," so I'd say "Dwarf City" would likely be "Sammanaraurunedar" or literally "Shield brother's great familiar place." Not seeing any word referring to humans, unfortunately, so the closest I can come up with is "Araudaern" or "big familiar place."
6) No word for such, oddly enough. Best I can think is calling it "jarghwurn" or "jokester/idiot water." "Tindulwurn" or "clumsy water" might also suffice.
7) As above, or maybe call it "barakjarghwurn" ("strong jokester/idiot water") or "aurajarghwurn" ("great jokester/idiot water") |
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Starshade
Learned Scribe
Norway
279 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2018 : 15:24:32
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One question: Is this a proper "Fantasy Language" type of Dictionary, or a simpler project?
It looks heavily polysynthetic, btw.
Why I ask, is any language not made, ends up word for word close to it's creators. |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2018 : 19:04:31
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| But yeah, seeing this thread of mine coming back can't help but give me a bit of a sentimental feeling. At least I'm not the only one who cares about the language of the Stout Folk. :*) |
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On Dwarven language sentence structure
