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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 :  05:54:51  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Greetings Ashe,

At the time I was writing the Ironfang Keep article, I was informed that Ironfang Keep had not just one, but two separate NDAs covering the location for use in computer games. But these were initiated back in the TSR era and nothing ever came of them. So without anything fresh in the works, I was allowed to ďplay with the KeepĒ in Edís words.

Ed had already established in previous lore that the inhabitants of the Keep had been abducting beasts in the region for centuries. I took it one step further by tying these ďwizardsĒ to the Cult of the Amalgamation as seen in City of Splendors. Throw in a previously undetailed Lost God and the Dark Three for good measure and you get my very first Dragon article. Over all Iím very pleased with how it turned out.



A good article too! I simply always thought that Ironfang Keep would be taller somehow? I had a picture of a tall, slender, black walled structure similar to Orthanc in Middle-Earth maybe...

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Jakk
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

What happened to Katashaka? It seems odd that they used your name for it in the GHotR and then removed it in the 4e Realms. Daft if you ask me to introduce it officially in one game supplement and then delete it in the next.



Not really, if you consider that the epic adventure trilogy at the end of 3E had the PCs thwarting Shar's plans to blow up the Weave, only to have her succeed in doing so offstage. "Make the PCs the focus"... except when gods are dying and the world is going somewhere in a handbasket.

Anyway, no more of that.

Brian, my question is related to the GHotR: What is going to happen to the NDAs on all that (presumably now obsolete) pre-Spellplague lore if DDi is concentrating on post-Spellplague content? My focus here is on the Cormyr royal/noble lineage document that I understand is in the care of Brian "Garen Thal" Cortijo. I've been driving him crazy with questions for a couple of weeks now, and my inquiries on your Feedback scroll and on the WotC site (where I am known as FrustratedRealmsFan) have not stimulated a reply as yet. I would like to see pre-Spellplague lore under obsolete NDAs (such as the Ironfang Keep material that you did such a great job with) released in download form on the Wizards website, and I would be willing to pay for such pre-Spellplague lore on a per-download basis; making it available through DDi will simply cause me to lose interest in the lore, rather than think about subscribing to DDi. Besides which, it is my understanding that DDi is concentrating its Realms focus on post-Spellplague (or at least post-1385) lore, and I have no interest in canonical lore from that time period. There is money to be made by Wizards in the old lore, and such old lore is one of two ways that it will be my money; the other way, of course, is a Realms reset to 1375 or earlier, but that's not happening in my lifetime, I suspect. Hopefully this material will come to light soon, one way or another... and by "light" I don't mean open flame...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  22:45:57  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jakk, as a freelance designer I have no power to overturn NDAs I'm afraid. Except under very special circumstances it's unlikely you'll see any articles which focus on the previous era. Having said that, I try to include as much edition neutral lore as possible in my articles. That's the best I can offer under the current circumstances.

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Jakk
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  22:50:04  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the quick response anyway. I'm not really looking for any "new" material; I would just like to see the previously-written stuff get released; I'm happy with downloadable text files, even, although I'm happier to pay for it if it's in a nicely-formatted Word or PDF document.

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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 :  11:10:01  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Brian R. James

Jakk, as a freelance designer I have no power to overturn NDAs I'm afraid. Except under very special circumstances it's unlikely you'll see any articles which focus on the previous era. Having said that, I try to include as much edition neutral lore as possible in my articles. That's the best I can offer under the current circumstances.


-That sounds like a great idea BR.J!!!


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sfdragon
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  21:40:53  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
what about neverwinter in 4e??

i heard some rumors about it after it was ravaged by the plague...

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  01:51:23  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What are you looking for exactly sfdragon?

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sfdragon
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  09:31:12  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i want to know if it was rebuilt, or will it be rebuilt?

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  16:40:05  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Though Neverwinter officially lies in ruins, I have a sneaking suspicion that the city will see a rejuvenation of some sort in the not too distant future. Bioware developers have already commented that they may base a future Neverwinter Nights game around the reconstruction/reclaiming of the city.

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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  09:26:58  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brian, do you happen to know if the Imaskari god barrier ever fell? I was wondering if it collapsed as part of the Spellplague or if it disolved prior to that, or if it survived and is still functioning? Does this have a date? Or has it happened yet?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  15:10:09  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Bioware developers have already commented that they may base a future Neverwinter Nights game around the reconstruction/reclaiming of the city.



You mean developers from Obsidian? From what I can tell, Bioware is focusing on developing games for their own IPs (Mass Effect, Dragon Age).

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  15:19:07  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

Brian, do you happen to know if the Imaskari god barrier ever fell? I was wondering if it collapsed as part of the Spellplague or if it disolved prior to that, or if it survived and is still functioning? Does this have a date? Or has it happened yet?
That is a very good question Gray, and I'd love to see a Dragon Magazine with your name on it that gives us the details! But no, the subject of the Imaskari god barrier never came up during my limited time on the FRCG, sorry.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  15:20:51  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

You mean developers from Obsidian? From what I can tell, Bioware is focusing on developing games for their own IPs (Mass Effect, Dragon Age).
You're probably correct Rino. I always get those two confuse. Now if I had my choice, I'd want to see Black Isle Studios reformed and let them take a crack at it...

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sfdragon
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  21:48:21  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

You mean developers from Obsidian? From what I can tell, Bioware is focusing on developing games for their own IPs (Mass Effect, Dragon Age).
You're probably correct Rino. I always get those two confuse. Now if I had my choice, I'd want to see Black Isle Studios reformed and let them take a crack at it...




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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 16 Dec 2008 :  16:53:44  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-Brian, MT said something interesting (for a change!) and I was wondering if perhaps you would be able to confirm this: The short story by R.A. Salvatore, that was supposed to be in AGHotR...Do you know what it was? Was it possibly the prologue and epilogue of The Orc King.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 :  15:18:37  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dagnirion

-Brian, MT said something interesting (for a change!) and I was wondering if perhaps you would be able to confirm this: The short story by R.A. Salvatore, that was supposed to be in AGHotR...Do you know what it was? Was it possibly the prologue and epilogue of The Orc King.
No, I was told that there was a scheduling conflict of some sort and that the short story was never written. But... now that you (or Markus) mention it, the Orc King prologue/epilogue does have the appearance of the missing short story. Coupled with the fact that no such flashfoward appears in the Pirate King... Interesting.

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Markustay
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 :  15:43:01  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brian and Gray don't know something I know?

The Godwall came down after the ToT - there is lore about it somewhere (probably LEoF), wherein it explains that Ao finally took it down, and the Mulan Gods were able to re-merge with their divine essences in the multiverse.

Thats why Mulani Gods aren't mortal 'Incarnations' anymore after the ToT.

quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

-Brian, MT said something interesting (for a change!) <snip>
Well I never!


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Brian R. James
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  02:21:20  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Markustay

The Godwall came down after the ToT - there is lore about it somewhere (probably LEoF), wherein it explains that Ao finally took it down, and the Mulan Gods were able to re-merge with their divine essences in the multiverse.
Ah that's right. I never liked it when I first read it, so I filled that one away in dark place. I have no problem with the barrier being dismissed. What I do have a problem with is the Utheric pantheon (in particular) casually abandoning thier followers on Toril. They came all this way, on spelljammers no less!, to save the mulan from the Imaskari... only to completely abandon them after the Time of Troubles.

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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  02:48:08  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Brian R. James

No, I was told that there was a scheduling conflict of some sort and that the short story was never written. But... now that you (or Markus) mention it, the Orc King prologue/epilogue does have the appearance of the missing short story. Coupled with the fact that no such flashfoward appears in the Pirate King... Interesting.



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Markustay
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Well, you know what they say - if you make up a hundred conspiracies a day, once in awhile some of them are bound to be right.

And I agree with you Brian about Unther, although I don't think there really were a whole lot of Untheric deities left after the Orcgate Wars (I get the feeling the Pharonic Pantheon arrived late on purpose...)

Gilgeem was a jerk, so it was no big when Tiamet offed him, and that other one that remained (Ramman?) got taken out by Gruumsh during the ToT.

That left only Hoar, and he stuck around (he was smart enough to ditch his ill-fated brethren early on).

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 :  16:25:47  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Remember though that only the 'incarnations' of those pantheons were slain in the Orcgate Wars. In 4E terms, it was more like the 'Aspect of Marduk' that was slain than Marduk himself. When the Imaskari planar barrier was dissolved, the true Marduk and the rest of the pantheon *should* have shown up in Realmspace immediately to challenge Tiamat, Gruumsh, etc... or at the very least reestablish contact with their mortal followers. But 3E reconned the cosmology and 4E changed it again so I guess itís now pointless to indulge in these hypotheticals.

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Neil Bishop
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Posted - 31 Jan 2009 :  07:03:19  Show Profile  Visit Neil Bishop's Homepage  Send Neil Bishop a Yahoo! Message Send Neil Bishop a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Brian,

I've just read your very good article about Auril from Dragon 367 and have some questions about Lawgoch's Labyrinth that I hope you might be able to answer.

1. Does Lawgoch exist in any previous lore?
2. Where did the name "Lawgoch" originate from (it means "red hand" in Welsh and was the surname of one Owain Lawgoch who was a rightful heir of the kingdom of Wales)?
3. Is Lawgoch a xixecal as detailed in 3E's Epic Level Handbook? If not, any other thoughts as to who/what it/she/she is?

Thanks in advance! ;)

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 :  04:02:18  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Neil,
No Lawgoch does not exist in previous Realmslore. I donít believe the name has any particular significance. Itís intimated that Lawgoch may be the name of the primordial chained within the labyrinth by Auril, but I wanted to leave DMs freedom to use the location as they wish.

I didnít have a Xixecal in mind when I wrote the article, but now that I read that entry in the Epic Level Handbook for myself, I believe a Xixecal or a creature much like it would be a good fit.

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Neil Bishop
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Thanks, Brian. I have been planning a campaign set in the North that involves Auril unleashing something akin to the Epic spell dire winter and thought an unleashed xixecal might be the ideal vessel for this. Then I read your article as I was researching both Auril and primordials and started to think about linking my ideas with yours. Anyway, thanks for your reply.

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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 :  20:04:56  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brie, I have a favor to ask, Bud...

Awhile back, you posted a list of all the 'Eastern' entries you had wrote for the GHOtR, in the Kara-Tur thread over at WotC, but I can't seem to locate it, and I never got around to color-coding the last twenty pages in the GHotR (things got too 'busy' toward the end there - multiple regions discussed in nearly every entry).

Could I possibly get those again? I'm re-building the timeline once again, and that would save me some time.

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