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Lord Karsus
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-Hey, Brian, how did they convince you to include the incorrect date for The Sundering?

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quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

-Hey, Brian, how did they convince you to include the incorrect date for The Sundering?
Wow, that's a loaded question. Basically others with more seniority than myself felt the other date was more correct. Click to this thread to see differing opinions including my own: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7985

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Wow, that's a loaded question.[/br]


-I know, I know. Did you at least bring that up to them, and discuss?

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were the giants in Grey a made up thing, or is there some resource that it came from. They just intrigue me.

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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

were the giants in Grey a made up thing, or is there some resource that it came from. They just intrigue me.

One of the Kara-Tur designers mentioned them in an Oriental Adventures module. I do not recall which one. I agree, they are very intriguing.

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-Brian, I've got another little tidbit to contribute to the reasons the Sundering took place in circa -24,000, not -17,600. How could the Couatls and the Yuan-Ti do battle on the Chultan peninsula around the same time, when the Chultan peninsula technically didn't exist? The map on pg. 6 doesn't exactly show me a Chultan Peninsula, though theoretically, where Mhairshaulk and the Human tribes could be considered it (although, I do believe that is what becomes Maztica, isn't it?). If the Sundering indeed took place in -17,600, the Chultan peninsula technically did not exist in -24,000 to -23,000.

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It reached backwords and forwards in time, remember?

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

were the giants in Grey a made up thing, or is there some resource that it came from. They just intrigue me.

Kara-Tur campaign setting, volume I, pg. 33

It's only a paragraph, and doesn't really tell us who or what they are.

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Hi Brian!

I finally got my hands on my copy of GHoTR -- it's absolutely fantastic! So, a big THANK YOU for your years of dedicated work, which resulted in this great tome being published. And I also loved your article about the Ironfang Keep in Dragon -- as a fan of the old Pool of Radiance -game, I was especially fond of seeing Hargut finally get some time "in the spotlight".

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I also enjoyed your article on Ironfang Keep when I read it today! My question: how long can doppelgangers live naturally? Did Haask survive from the time when the Batrachi held sway, or was he relatively younger when he took over Ironfang Keep? And did he have to make use of longevity magic to live throughout the entire rule of his empire?

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Brian, I still can't get A Temporal Chronology of the Primes to work on my Mac when I download it from Geonomicon as an HTML file. Is it available as a pdf? I can copy and paste it to Word, but all of your lovely color-coding and most of the organization goes right out the window(s) if I do.


Have you received any intimation from Wizards that they want to publish the whole Temporal Chronology?


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Hi Brian! I have read your Realmslore article and found it very intersting. There are several questions that arose after reading it though. One I could figure out myself - that was who Haask, Voice of Hargut was and were he made his first appearence in realms lore (Pool of Radiance game/novel if I am not mistaken).

However, there is still much mystery around this article. Could you or someone else elaborate on this a little more. I have not played the game Pool of Radiance (it was a little before my time). Is that eccential to have played through the game or have read the book to fully understand all this? What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?! And who/what was 'Hargut of the Gray Pestilence' originally? Will we see more articles of the Lost Gods in the future?

Thanks in advance, Ergdusch

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quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?!


As I recall, it was a single blurb in The Moonsea (I'm at work, so I can't check that book) that said pretty much the same thing: a wizard made it in, and was later found crazed and only able to say the word "green".

For me, that's almost a Lovecraftian kinda creepy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?!


As I recall, it was a single blurb in The Moonsea (I'm at work, so I can't check that book) that said pretty much the same thing: a wizard made it in, and was later found crazed and only able to say the word "green".

For me, that's almost a Lovecraftian kinda creepy.

'Twas from The Moonsea.

Pg. 60 - "Legend states that one person has actually penetrated the keep, but was found wandering across the wild lands of Thar. He was completely mad, and all he could mutter was the word "green."

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?!


As I recall, it was a single blurb in The Moonsea (I'm at work, so I can't check that book) that said pretty much the same thing: a wizard made it in, and was later found crazed and only able to say the word "green".

For me, that's almost a Lovecraftian kinda creepy.

'Twas from The Moonsea.

Pg. 60 - "Legend states that one person has actually penetrated the keep, but was found wandering across the wild lands of Thar. He was completely mad, and all he could mutter was the word "green."




I guess I got my wish on a "god" that was more Cthulu"ish" after all.

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm" and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?

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quote:
Originally posted by dalor_darden

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm" and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?

It is kinda the plane beyond all other planes, and a place so weird that mortal minds are driven mad by it. IRRC, it is where aboleths and beholders originated, and many other aberrations. Lord's of Madness is a pretty good source about it (I don't know about 2e sources), and the new book coming out next month, Elder Evils, should be a pretty good source too.

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quote:
Originally posted by dalor_darden

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm"...
The Far Realm works best as the "unknowable alien territory" -- existing outside the traditional cosmological structure. The Far Realm itself does not exist within the cosmological framework of the Great Tree -- merely some element of the Far Realm has been referenced as impacting on 3e FR and its planar structure. This implies that it exists -- has been referenced -- in 3e FR.

Thus, the Far Realm does exist with the 3e FR cosmology, and can be considered an element outside the Realms planar framework. Specifically, it's noted in the Dragonking details in CoS:W... pg. 63 -- under the "Wands" noble family entry.

The original reference was in the 3rd of the "Marco Volo" modules in which the Dragonking makes a brief appearance in the Realms. (I wouldn't really recommend this adventure trilogy however, but they are considered part of canon Realmslore). Eric tells us he that tried to work with them when expanding on the Dragonking entry in CoS. You can find the modules here for free:- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads

From there, the Dragonking was mentioned in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical -- under the entry for the "Dragonking's Eye". Eric, thus, continued with the reference into CoS:W and makes a more solid connection to the Far Realm...
quote:
...and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?
In terms of the Realms, I don't think this can really be answered in any truly specific way... since there are so few examples in the Realmslore to use as evidence.

However, with regard to the Dragonking's Eye... since the defeat of the Dragonking (after it was released by Marcus Wands), it's been noted that the alien god's release has resulted in an unusual effect occuring in the Realms. Strange entities from the Far Realm have slowly began appearing within the local vicinity of individual members of House Wands, and almost always at random.

So, for the most part, it would seem as though the Wands family have garnered some rather "undesired" attention from the bizarre creatures of the Outside Realm.

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quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

quote:
Originally posted by dalor_darden

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm" and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?

It is kinda the plane beyond all other planes, and a place so weird that mortal minds are driven mad by it. IRRC, it is where aboleths and beholders originated, and many other aberrations. Lord's of Madness is a pretty good source about it (I don't know about 2e sources), and the new book coming out next month, Elder Evils, should be a pretty good source too.
The Far Realm has been referenced in numerous 1e and 2e sources, like Manual of the Planes [in the 3e tome as well].

In fact, I think I've got a listing around here somewhere, that notes all the references for the Far Realm [1e-to-3e] from it's first initial mentions in long ago products. Hmmm...

*digs through the electronic archives*

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Brian R. James
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That's certainly an interesting conundrum Dagnirion, for which I have no answer. It might be explained away by this Abeir vs. Toril business I keep hearing about, but we’ll need to wait for the 4E campaign guide to learn the truth of that.
quote:
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-Brian, I've got another little tidbit to contribute to the reasons the Sundering took place in circa -24,000, not -17,600. How could the Couatls and the Yuan-Ti do battle on the Chultan peninsula around the same time, when the Chultan peninsula technically didn't exist? The map on pg. 6 doesn't exactly show me a Chultan Peninsula, though theoretically, where Mhairshaulk and the Human tribes could be considered it (although, I do believe that is what becomes Maztica, isn't it?). If the Sundering indeed took place in -17,600, the Chultan peninsula technically did not exist in -24,000 to -23,000.

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Thanks for the kind words Asgetrion. I have the Grand History sitting in front of me but sometimes it still doesn't seem real to me that it was actually published.

I'm a big fan of Pool of Radiance as well and it was fun writing an article that included Haask, Voice of Hargut.
quote:
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I finally got my hands on my copy of GHoTR -- it's absolutely fantastic! So, a big THANK YOU for your years of dedicated work, which resulted in this great tome being published. And I also loved your article about the Ironfang Keep in Dragon -- as a fan of the old Pool of Radiance -game, I was especially fond of seeing Hargut finally get some time "in the spotlight".

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Haask was definitely not your ordinary doppelganger. Even among the batrachi (one of the fabled creator races mind you) he was gifted with exceptional talents and yes he is a survivor from the Days of Thunder. His unnatural longevity was granted to him by his strong faith in his god. Which god exactly is not revealed in the article.
quote:
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I also enjoyed your article on Ironfang Keep when I read it today! My question: how long can doppelgangers live naturally? Did Haask survive from the time when the Batrachi held sway, or was he relatively younger when he took over Ironfang Keep? And did he have to make use of longevity magic to live throughout the entire rule of his empire?

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It's unlikely that Wizards would want to publish A Temporal Chronology of the Primes, but perhaps it is time I give that work another polish and make it available as a PDF. No promises but I'll see what I can do.

quote:
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Brian, I still can't get A Temporal Chronology of the Primes to work on my Mac when I download it from Geonomicon as an HTML file. Is it available as a pdf? I can copy and paste it to Word, but all of your lovely color-coding and most of the organization goes right out the window(s) if I do. Have you received any intimation from Wizards that they want to publish the whole Temporal Chronology?

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No, knowledge of Pool of Radiance is not required to appreciate Haask or Hargut. They are barely even mentioned, and then only as a minor snippet in one of the adventurer journals that came with the game. The name, Hargut of the Gray Pestilence is introduced in the Ironfang Keep article so there is no previous lore about this abomination. I would love to write more articles on the Lost Gods in the future, but I have no plans to do so at this time.

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

I have not played the game Pool of Radiance (it was a little before my time). Is that eccential to have played through the game or have read the book to fully understand all this? What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?! And who/what was 'Hargut of the Gray Pestilence' originally? Will we see more articles of the Lost Gods in the future?

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quote:
Originally posted by dalor_darden

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

What's with the 'green' (that Wooly pointed out in another thread)?!


As I recall, it was a single blurb in The Moonsea (I'm at work, so I can't check that book) that said pretty much the same thing: a wizard made it in, and was later found crazed and only able to say the word "green".

For me, that's almost a Lovecraftian kinda creepy.

'Twas from The Moonsea.

Pg. 60 - "Legend states that one person has actually penetrated the keep, but was found wandering across the wild lands of Thar. He was completely mad, and all he could mutter was the word "green."




I guess I got my wish on a "god" that was more Cthulu"ish" after all.

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm" and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?


Check out Star Deep by Bruce R Cordell. It has some info on the Far Realms, and the Cerulean Sign.
I never realized that the Far Realms existed in the Realms so to speak.
I wonder what WotC has in store for us in the 4E Realms?

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Hello,

I was wondering if there were any references in GHotR to NWN: Hordes of the Underdark?

Thanks,

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quote:
originally posted by Dalor Darden

My question is this:

What exactly is the "Far Realm" and how does it interact with the "normal" universe?


And is it just me who prefer to call them "the Dungeon Dimensions?"

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