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Alaundo
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 :  17:00:01  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Well met

This being a collective scroll of any questions the Scribes and visitors of Candlekeep wish to put to our newest Realms designer, Brian R. James. I'm sure Brian's work needs no introduction, his Grand History of the Realms once graced the halls of Candlekeep and is now a full product produced by WotC.

Brian is also a scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium.

Present your questions herein and check back to see what news may also come forth from the quill of this scribe.

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Brian R. James
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Thanks Alaundo. I would be most happy to answer any questions from my friends here at Candlekeep.

For those that may not have seen it yet, Wizards.com posted a Spotlight Interview which covers some of the events which led to the publication of the Grand History.

View it at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4spot/20070921a

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 :  19:06:31  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Brian, I'm looking forward to seeing your Realmslore columns that you have been talking about. I've always enjoyed your work, and it will be fun to see some of it become "official."

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 :  00:56:29  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is certainly a level of satisfaction in knowing that your work will be deemed “official” or “canon” in the lore of the Realms. I also strive, however, to work just as diligently on other works of Realmslore such as the Candlekeep Compendium as I would a Realmslore column. In fact it’s a personal goal of mine that fans of the Forgotten Realms come to view resources such as Candlekeep Compendium as official or at least as well researched and useful to your campaign as anything Wizards produces.

Beyond the forthcoming Realmslore article on Ironfang Keep, I am currently in talks with Wizards to write at least one web enhancement for the Grand History. And I’m particularly excited to begin work on Candlekeep Compendium X which will feature articles set in lands beyond Faerūn.

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Uzzy
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 :  01:34:18  Show Profile  Visit Uzzy's Homepage Send Uzzy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Brian. Got the Grand History recently, and I love it!

After reading so much lore, I was wondering.. if you could expand one section of the timeline, which would it be?
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 :  13:57:22  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

There is certainly a level of satisfaction in knowing that your work will be deemed “official” or “canon” in the lore of the Realms. I also strive, however, to work just as diligently on other works of Realmslore such as the Candlekeep Compendium as I would a Realmslore column. In fact it’s a personal goal of mine that fans of the Forgotten Realms come to view resources such as Candlekeep Compendium as official or at least as well researched and useful to your campaign as anything Wizards produces.



And Candlekeep Compendium isn“t official?

Hehehe, good news, Brian. I“m very interested in a "Toril“s explorer" article, detailing the news about Maztica e Zakhara.

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freyar
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 :  16:59:36  Show Profile  Visit freyar's Homepage Send freyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you're working on Compendium X, does that mean we get volume IX soon? :)

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quote:
Originally posted by freyar

If you're working on Compendium X, does that mean we get volume IX soon? :)



I'm almost done with my editing, so it will hopefully be quite soon.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 :  00:54:22  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy

Hey Brian. Got the Grand History recently, and I love it!

After reading so much lore, I was wondering.. if you could expand one section of the timeline, which would it be?

That’s a difficult question Uzzy. There are many regions of the Forgotten Realms that do not yet have detailed histories. Sembia springs to mind. The Moonshaes is another. Hell, I’d love to see an entire sourcebook on Lantan or Nimbral. But then there are all these lands beyond Faerūn that I’d love to see tied more closely into the lore of the greater Realms. So I guess I cannot really pick just one. I'd like to expand them all!

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Markustay
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Zanan
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 :  10:16:50  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about some of those white terra incognita regions? ;)

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Zanan
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It might have been answered before, but why have the Ilythiiri been placed among the "green elves" in the entry about -27,000 DR (p. 8)? They have been dark elves all along, have they not? I'd doubt that they acquired their dark colour in those following years.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 07 Oct 2007 :  15:09:49  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

It might have been answered before, but why have the Ilythiiri been placed among the "green elves" in the entry about -27,000 DR (p. 8)? They have been dark elves all along, have they not? I'd doubt that they acquired their dark colour in those following years.

The Ilythiiri were but one tribe of the greater green elf population. Yes, they had darker skin than some of their green elf cousins but that is no different than various ethnic types of human found on Toril. From a D&D game point of view, “dark elves” did not become a statistically distinct race until the Descent of the Drow.

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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Oct 2007 :  15:29:13  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As I recall, it was Cormanthyr that described the pre-Descent dark elves as "dusky," which I always assumed meant tanned/dark olive complexion.

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Kentinal
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James


The Ilythiiri were but one tribe of the greater green elf population. Yes, they had darker skin than some of their green elf cousins but that is no different than various ethnic types of human found on Toril. From a D&D game point of view, “dark elves” did not become a statistically distinct race until the Descent of the Drow.



How recent or past is Dark Elves were Green Elves expained in canon?

Of course this does help explain a little bit why the surviving Dark Elves of Miyeritar were forced to Desend as well.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Of course this does help explain a little bit why the surviving Dark Elves of Miyeritar were forced to Desend as well.
I actually kind of like George's take on this:-

"Seriously, my take on the dark elves into drow thing is that the Ilythiiri deserved it. Surviving Miyeritari on the whole deserved it too. Why? Well, it's likely that after the Dark Disaster, renegade Miyeritari dark elves turned to Ilythiir for aid - and likely were corrupted themselves in doing so.

My personal belief is that notwithstanding what the sources say, not every dark elf was transformed into drow in -10,000 DR. However, the ones that weren't were so few and scattered to the winds that their bloodlines played out with elven interbreeding over the years. That 50/50 chance for either sub-race rule is a bit like russian roulette when you are trying to maintain your race numbers."

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Zanan
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Posted - 07 Oct 2007 :  16:08:47  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, that was the very first time I heard and read of a racial non-destinction between the "green elves" and the "dark elves". Obviously, not all "greens" need to be "wilds" or tribish woodland folk, but honestly, I am a bit disappointed here. The "gold elves" get their own entry, while the "dark elves" are put under the green carpet. I wonder why - at the ascendance of 4E - we have still that unecessary double naming of two elven subraces, when the last FRCS essentially gave us the word code for the Realms' elves: Suns, Woods, Wilds, Moons and Dark elves? (Star elves aside for a moment.) Gold and green are just "subtitles".

NB: No need for any explanation that make the above dark elves are green elves point more feasible. It is acceptable, but IMHO quite strange.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 07 Oct 2007 :  18:27:24  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Something else to ponder: The intimation in the Grand History (under the entry c. -25400 DR) is that a group of gold elves and a single silver elf fled to Toril to escape the destruction of their island kingdom. This establishes that the terms “gold elf” and “silver elf” originate from the world of Faerie. As these refugees intermarried with the local green elf populations, they created two new species of elves native to Toril, sun elf and moon elf. In present-day Faerūn, only a small handful of elves could claim to be a true gold elf; a direct pureblood descendant of Prince Durothil of Tintageer. No pureblood silver elves exist unless they independently gated to Toril from Faerie in the intervening years.

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Posted - 07 Oct 2007 :  18:30:38  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

How recent or past is Dark Elves were Green Elves expained in canon?
The Grand History is the first sourcebook to establish this connection.

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KnightErrantJR
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
No pureblood silver elves exist unless they independently gated to Toril from Faerie in the intervening years.




Actually, thinking of it this way, it tends to explain a little about the difference between silver and gold elf philosophies on things.

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Brian, I thank you fot the answer, not one I an a fan of but so be it.

Say hi to your brother for me the next time you contact him. He knows me a little from SKR message board.

Further comment at this time as to my question would likely get me bannned, so I exit this thread for now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

How recent or past is Dark Elves were Green Elves expained in canon?
The Grand History is the first sourcebook to establish this connection.



Count me among those who is a bit surprised at that, as well.

My question: Who the heck is Queen Rosalind of Evendale? Where and what is "Evendale"? This is regarding the entry (which I believe was public on the WotC site) about "bloodforges". This Queen Rosalind was mentioned, and I just have no clue as to who she is.

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Brian R. James
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

My question: Who the heck is Queen Rosalind of Evendale? Where and what is "Evendale"? This is regarding the entry (which I believe was public on the WotC site) about "bloodforges". This Queen Rosalind was mentioned, and I just have no clue as to who she is.
Edenvale (not Evendale, but you make me check!) is one of the Five Kingdoms of the Utter East. The kingdoms of the Utter East are located southeast of Ulgarth at the continental junction between Faerūn, Kara-Tur, and Zakhara. Queen Rosalind is mentioned in the novel Faces of Deception by Troy Denning.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

My question: Who the heck is Queen Rosalind of Evendale? Where and what is "Evendale"? This is regarding the entry (which I believe was public on the WotC site) about "bloodforges". This Queen Rosalind was mentioned, and I just have no clue as to who she is.
Edenvale (not Evendale, but you make me check!) is one of the Five Kingdoms of the Utter East. The kingdoms of the Utter East are located southeast of Ulgarth at the continental junction between Faerūn, Kara-Tur, and Zakhara. Queen Rosalind is mentioned in the novel Faces of Deception by Troy Denning.



Thank you!

EDENvale? Hmmm, strange name.

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Check my Utter East Map here at the Keep.

I had a more 'canon' version up, but Alaundo saw fit to use the one from the Utter East campaign I'm working on.

Anyhow, the Five Kingdoms are canon, as are MOST of the locations. The forests were my idea, and the Loxo nation of Sragadha was thought up by another campaign contributer (but the name is mine). The small peninsula it is located on I found on the FRIA map. Some locales were extrapolated from the video game (Blood & Magic) that came out about this region.

Note that there are only Four Kingdoms, even though they are referred to as the 'Five Kingdoms', the meaning of which is lost in the mists of time. Ulgarth is NOT one of the Five Kingdoms (nor is the now-defunct Thommar).

Anyhow, I do indeed have a question -

Brian, who worked on the timeline for most of the Eastern Bits?

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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quote:
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Check my Utter East Map here at the Keep.




Will do, thanks!

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