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MerrikCale
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  03:47:52  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?



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My thought is it is a year away, that it is rather silly to reprint lore adjusted to new rules. That changing lore clearly would be a mistake. However we know little about the project at this point in time and its value might be greater then I expect.

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Remembering that the core 3e D&D rulebooks were released in 1999/2000, and that the FRCS 3e wasn't released until 2001, there's always a possibility that the new FRCS [assuming a new campaign setting for the new edition of the D&D rules, is released] won't be published until at least mid-2009.

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We will still buy it for the updated lore regardless

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Well, after looking at the trailer for 4th Ed, I wonder if the FRCS wouldn't be re-released on CD-ROM?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Remembering that the core 3e D&D rulebooks were released in 1999/2000, and that the FRCS 3e wasn't released until 2001, there's always a possibility that the new FRCS [assuming a new campaign setting for the new edition of the D&D rules, is released] won't be published until at least mid-2009.




haven't they annouced an 8/08 release of the new FRCS



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I wasn't aware of any official announcements. Do you have a link confirming this?

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I saw the news story, but I can't find the link right now . . . one of the interviews that was done mentioned the FRCS 4e coming after the core books.

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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?


Nope, not yet. My only real thought is that's a year away and a lot can happen between now and then.

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I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.

Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eremite

I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.

Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books.



I can't say I agree with this... I like it when the timeline advances, no matter if it is a product or a novel. I don't want the "RSE of the week" trend to continue, but I do want the timeline to keep moving forward.

I wouldn't mind the occasional foray into the past, but I don't want it to be like post-Legends Dragginglance. Until Weis & Hickman came back to do the Chaos War, the setting went utterly stagnant as everyone went haring off into the past.

And if FR was dropped, I don't know that it would mean creative control would automatically revert back to Ed, or that he would be able to find someone else to publish it. There have been many cases of companies letting product lines die, but retaining the IP so no one else can touch them.

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Ed has spoke about this, he only is loaning FR to WotC. If Ed does not write one book a year (or waive that ) the FR campaign (or at least his material) reverts back to him. Not sure about how good contract is for works of others, though it appears likely everything with the FR logo could revert back to Ed (along with obigation to other contributors likely). I have not seen the contract, but odds are such discussion is moot. It appears unlikely Ed will not get a book and I suspect he would not want it to revert back to him. Unless WotC does something real upsetting to him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Ed has spoke about this, he only is loaning FR to WotC. If Ed does not write one book a year (or waive that ) the FR campaign (or at least his material) reverts back to him. Not sure about how good contract is for works of others, though it appears likely everything with the FR logo could revert back to Ed (along with obigation to other contributors likely). I have not seen the contract, but odds are such discussion is moot. It appears unlikely Ed will not get a book and I suspect he would not want it to revert back to him. Unless WotC does something real upsetting to him.



Does he get back stuff that he gave them, but never saw the light of day? i.e. alot of the stuff that we ask about but says he is under NDA?

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Does he get back stuff that he gave them, but never saw the light of day? i.e. alot of the stuff that we ask about but says he is under NDA?



I certainly believe so. That answer was in reply to what occurs if/when Ed dies to FR. It should be in Kujm's Answer file. Like I said before I did not read the contract.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Eremite

I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels. Frankly I would like to see a whole new strategy in the novels once the new campaign setting is published with the novels telling stories of the past like Sword of Eveningstar.

Frankly, I was actually hoping that FR would be dropped so that Ed could take back creative control of the setting and we could have a range of edition-neutral lore books.



I can't say I agree with this... I like it when the timeline advances, no matter if it is a product or a novel. I don't want the "RSE of the week" trend to continue, but I do want the timeline to keep moving forward.

I wouldn't mind the occasional foray into the past, but I don't want it to be like post-Legends Dragginglance. Until Weis & Hickman came back to do the Chaos War, the setting went utterly stagnant as everyone went haring off into the past.

And if FR was dropped, I don't know that it would mean creative control would automatically revert back to Ed, or that he would be able to find someone else to publish it. There have been many cases of companies letting product lines die, but retaining the IP so no one else can touch them.



I must admit that I am on the other side in this one. Dragonlance was killed by this for me personally. As to advancing the timeline, it is undeniably something that is needed, but the pace could be slowed. The Mystara version with the almanacs would be the perfect style and novels tying in to some of these happenings.
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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?



Not really. *shrug* It's too early yet.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

I believe the new 4e campaign setting is coming out in August 2008. Any thoughts?



Not really. *shrug* It's too early yet.



It depends how it's written (how much reprinted vs new lore).
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August 2008 is indeed the tentative release date for the next FRCS. I suspect more will be revealed in the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar tomorrow.

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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 :  02:17:12  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eremite

I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.


it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out



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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I wasn't aware of any official announcements. Do you have a link confirming this?




I saw it on the Wizards site as well as an interview in EN World



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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

quote:
Originally posted by Eremite

I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.


it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out




That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer.

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That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer.



Relevant indeed.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

quote:
Originally posted by Eremite

I'm trying to be positive but my primary hope with a new FRCS is that a decision is taken not to advance the timeline in the game products. We're seeing far too many RSEs again and interesting game product hooks resolved in novels.


it is exactly what destroyed the X-books from Marvel. Every summer was a major crossover event with special covers, etc etc. It got old and the books burned out




That's a good point and one that James Lowder made about the X-books in Len Wein's Unofficial X-Men. He talked about how too many major events, especially when the effects have a dubious long term resonance, just serve to cheapen the entire series. Doubly relevant given that he is a past FR writer.



That's part of why I bailed on comics... Considering how slowly comics move forward, they were having to save the world/universe about every other day... And with the recent flood of RSEs, I see the same thing happening.

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MerrikCale
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Its a concern for sure. Its why I like smaller scale novels like the Class series. Even when the books aren't great, they're more like an adventure and not a RSE



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Hours since the "Secrets of the Forgotten Realms" seminar and no spoilers yet eh? Ok I'll go first. The 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting will be set in the Year of Blue Fire, 1385 DR (or about 10 years after the conclusion of most 3.5 Realms supplements).

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