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The Hooded One
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  02:47:59  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Confirmed by Ed, though he added: "Some changes wrought by time will be immediately obvious, particularly on the character level. However, most readers will probably be struck by how much remains the same."
(from 3e Cormyr to 4e Cormyr, he means).
love,
THO
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Brimstone
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  04:59:30  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So true THO.

To quote Storm Silverhand in Chapter 2, "So it's to be another bold night in brave Cormyr".

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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JamesLowder
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  06:24:12  Show Profile  Visit JamesLowder's Homepage Send JamesLowder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

Thanks again crazed, for your contributions.

BTW, do any more Cormyr-related short stories exist aside from Scott Ciencins A Virtue By Reflection from Realms of Valor (which I added to the listing on page 1, right after the novels-section)?

Ergdusch



Both my short stories "Laughter in the Flames" in Realms of Infamy and "The Club Rules" in Realms of Mystery take place in Cormyr. They involve the Society of Stalwart Adventurers, which has its headquarters in Suzail. The novel The Ring of Winter starts in Cormyr, as well.

Cheers,
James Lowder

Edited by - JamesLowder on 12 May 2010 06:25:33
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Ergdusch
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  10:42:20  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JamesLowder

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

Thanks again crazed, for your contributions.

BTW, do any more Cormyr-related short stories exist aside from Scott Ciencins A Virtue By Reflection from Realms of Valor (which I added to the listing on page 1, right after the novels-section)?

Ergdusch



Both my short stories "Laughter in the Flames" in Realms of Infamy and "The Club Rules" in Realms of Mystery take place in Cormyr. They involve the Society of Stalwart Adventurers, which has its headquarters in Suzail. The novel The Ring of Winter starts in Cormyr, as well.

Cheers,
James Lowder


I thank you immensely, James for your contribution. I'll add the sources to the list on page 1 of this thread straight away.

Ergdusch

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

Edited by - Ergdusch on 13 May 2010 11:01:38
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Ergdusch
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I edited a post of mine on page 9 of this thread about Alkenen the Peddler by adding an answer from Paul S. Kemp on an inquiry of mine regardign that character.

Greetings,

Ergdusch

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 :  22:14:57  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Quick question for our Cormyr experts:

I know that the crown has offered both land and money (and perhaps a title?) to anyone able to take a piece of the Stonelands, and hold it. Sort of a fantasy version of 'Home-steading'.

Anyone know where I can find this bit of lore? I looked in the two most obvious sources (the Cormyr booklets), and also the Stonelands booklet that came in Elminster's Ecologies, and I can't seem to locate it.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 :  23:25:27  Show Profile Send Mr_Miscellany a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Markus: check the entry for Cormyr in the 3E FRCS.
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 :  23:40:43  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Mr. Misc - hadn't thought to check a 3e source.

That must be based on the earlier entry I recall; perhaps I should check the 1e/2e campaign guides now.

That, and the law I was talking about in the other thread, has lead to some rather... interesting.. developments in the Stonelands.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 :  11:13:40  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on Alusair during her mid-teens

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Damian
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Hi. Well, there’s plausible and then there’s plausible. Alusair was a VERY rebellious teen; what we saw of her in my KNIGHTS OF MYTH DRANNOR trilogy (in 1348 DR, when she was 13) was just the beginning of her really “busting out” into defying Vangerdahast, her father the king, and just about everyone else short of her mother Filfaeril (whom she avoided, so as to escape being given specific orders and prohibitions she might feel the need to break). Alusair is the ultimate “tomboy.” Reckless and foolhardy, yes, but unlike her older sister Tanalasta, who was largely sheltered from the world, Alusair really LEARNED about Cormyr and surrounding lands and “the way the world really is” (just as her father Azoun had done, with Vangerdahast, as seen briefly in CORMYR: A NOVEL). Remember: Tanalasta was the heir; Alusair was the “spare,” and was allowed to develop into a different sort of asset to the kingdom: a war-leader who soon romanced the younger sons of most of the noble houses, binding them to herself in a personal loyalty that largely overcame their parents’ traditional resistance to the royal house.
I would strongly disagree with a view that she went “down hill.” That’s like looking back on your worst teenaged mistakes and judging the course of your life from them and only them. She made blunders, yes, and endangered herself (and by extension, the realm), yes - - but Azoun did worse, and the great majority of his subjects LOVED him for it.
I believe that if you read the novel CRUSADE by James Lowder, you’ll form a somewhat different view of the young Alusair than you seem to hold.
The young Alusair could definitely have gone hunting in foreign lands, particularly wilderlands not governed by a strong rulership that is a rival of Cormyr, and would have been accompanied by as many Purple Dragons as the Highknights and War Wizards assigned to protect her hide could have managed to send along.
However, she wouldn’t have been “sent” on any such foray, and no, she wouldn’t have been allowed to go anywhere as risky and as politically sensitive as Myth Drannor at the time, much less hunt rakshasas. However, she might well have twisted an “allowed” expedition to see the dales (avoiding Archendale and places under Zhent influence, like Daggerdale and Voonlar) into such a foray, yes - - but that’s more “Alusair at 17 or 19” behaviour, rather than what her 15-year-old self would have dared.
And I’d be very careful about judging any of those two generations of royals except Azoun by what relatively little we have seen of them, thus far. It’s somewhat akin to trying to judge, say, JFK by seeing footage of two of his public speeches and then his assassination, without ever learning anything else (about his childhood, family background, schooling, the private character of the man that only his friends saw, etc.).
I hope this helps. Feel free to pose more queries about these Obarskyrs. The chances to tell their tales are slipping away, and they really are fascinating people.
I’ll slide in a little hint, here: you may read some more of Alusair’s utterances in print, fairly soon.



So saith Ed. Creator of the Realms, Cormyr, Azoun, Alusair, Tanalasta, Filfaeril, Vangerdahast, the War Wizards, the Highknights . . . and LOTS more, of course.
love to all,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  21:47:52  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
THO on superb horse breeders

Cheers

Damian
*********************************

Traditionally the Huntsilvers and the Cormaerils sold horses, but this is just what I can remember off of the top of my head; Ed will have to provide a proper answer.
Off to him it goeth . . .
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  21:48:57  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on Glarasteer Rhauligan

Cheers

Damian
*************************************

Not QUITE enough time has passed, just yet. However, I promise you that the Rhauligan family's tale isn't quite done, that you'll learn SOMEthing tangentially related to it in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! . . . and that I'm awaiting the right opportunity to say more.
Although I mislike "steering" the Spin A Yarn audience at GenCon, mentioning the use of Glarasteer Rhauligan at that seminar would almost, ahem, FORCE me to say more about him....wouldn't it? ;}


So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  21:51:18  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on Elminster's rank within the War Wizards

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Damian
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(Longtime Lurker said: This is all speculation on my part, but it sure fits what El said. He was the "top" alarphon at some time, and because he outlived everyone, never formally relinquished that post. Later kings saw him as a convenient bogeyman to warn off Vangey or any other over-ambitious War Wizard with, if they stepped too far into "running things without remembering to even inform the Obarskyrs about what orders they were giving" territory, and "reconfirmed" him in that post, perhaps pointedly at Court.)

Longtime Lurker, you are DEAD-ON CORRECT in your post about Elminster. That's exactly where his rank comes from. In American terms, he's somewhat like a Secret Service man: although no one amongst the general population or local police may know his face or name, he has the authority to give orders - - but may run into resistance from those who dispute his authority because they just don't know (or accept) what he is. The average Cormyrean has no idea that the legendary Elminster has any formal or legal connection to Cormyr, and would be slow to believe it.

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  21:52:25  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
THO on why the Chosen are encouraging magic in Cormyr

Cheers

Damian
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So the Chosen are working to keep Cormyr a breeding ground for wizards and sorcerers, without letting the War Wizards oppress non-member mages and ever get out of hand enough for them to be hated by the commonfolk, right?

Right!
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  22:15:51  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed and THO on Elminster, Cormyr and the Dales; and wielders of the Art in Cormyr; and Azoun and Highknights and House Wizards

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Damian
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To make things clearer: Elminster is happy to dwell in the Dales, and from the 1350s onward to the Spellplague, his primary focus is on the Dales (to keep the Zhents and Hillsfar and Sembia AND Cormyr from conquering them, because they have an intrinsic value in and of themselves that he highly prizes, because they buffer the ruins of Myth Drannor and prevent any of those four local powers from seizing them, and because their continued existence helps to "hold those four apart" and prevent them from warring with each other directly, ruining the lives of thousands and bringing down a kingdom that is unintentionally doing much to foster widespread use of magic: Cormyr.
Through the Harpers but also working on their own, various Chosen of Mystra are trying to keep Cormyr "magic friendly."
No, all Highknights are NOT Harpers, and Azoun would react with suspicion (and Cormyr's courtiers, nobles, and War Wizards would all react with horror) if they thought Harpers were trying to infiltrate or even influence the Highknights, the Court, or the War Wizards.
The Harpers ARE trying to get some of their number into the Highknights, and to watch the Highknights closely to make sure Sembia, the Zhentarim, and others (Thay, Amn, etc.) aren't succeeding in getting agents of their own into the Highknights.
Markustay, you're close to a not-so-well-kept secret regarding Cormyr (and Elminster), but from what you've posted (about choosing Chosen) I don't think you've got it, yet. However, don't stop digging. :}


Markustay, you're right that Elminster has watched over and covertly meddled in Cormyrean matters for a long time, that he does personally compare it with Athalantar from time to time, and that Vangey's work allowed Elminster to pay less attention to Cormyr's passing politics than he had to do before Vangey hit his stride.
When it comes to equating Harpers and Highknights, EVERYONE should bear in mind when the author is speaking or thinking, and when characters are speaking or thinking - - and the tendency of many courtiers, lawkeepers, and other authorities in most kingdoms of the Realms to "see Harpers lurking in every shadow." Harpers are a convenient scapegoat, the same way that real-world individuals during the Cold War saw "Communists" everywhere, and some see "left-wing socialists" everywhere today . . . and so, by Wizards of War in Cormyr (Vangey and Laspeera excepted), Harpers have almost always been mentally accorded greater numbers and influence than they truly have.


Elminster is NOT the “father of Cormyr.” The truth is this: both Mystra and several of her Chosen observed Cormyr down the passing centuries and came to see that, as part of fostering magic use, a realm in which wizards were tolerated, accepted, and to some extent controlled and made part of the lawkeepers SO AS TO BECOME MORE TOLERATED AND ACCEPTED (if not loved) was A Good Thing (as far as furthering Mystra’s aims was concerned).
Cormyr could be such a place . . . and perhaps SHOULD become such a place.
So (fairly recently, as centuries are counted) Elminster, Storm, Dove, and to some extent Khelben (with Laeral) and Alustriel became “involved” in watching over Cormyr to make sure the Wizards of War didn’t go “off the rails” into oppressing other users of the Art too much, or to become feared and hated not as an arm of the Dragon Throne but a rival to it, and so ruin Cormyr as a cradle of more magic use.
Through the Harpers, without ever making any Cormyrean conscious of it (though Vangerdahast and Laspeera came to see it well enough, and Caladnei strongly suspect it, and they weren’t prevented from doing so), the Crown of Cormyr and its mages were covertly aided and supported by Elminster and others. VERY lightly, trying not to interfere one whit more in the politics of Cormyr than was necessary - - and mainly acting to prevent or inhibit Zhent, Thayan, Sembian, or other “wizard infiltrators” from gaining any real power inside the government of Cormyr.
Filfaeril and others came to know Elminster as a friend and confidant, but more as a “wise and powerful old archwizard who has an interest in Cormyr AS A HARPER” rather than a Chosen of Mystra steering or trying to manipulate the Forest Kingdom. Fee and others mainly used him as someone they could get a true, insightful answer to something from, in secret (and one of the things I can confirm that Fee AND Azoun IV asked Elminster, separately, was if he would counter Vangerdahast if it ever became necessary, in “preserving Cormyr;” El said yes to both of them, but please note that “preserving Cormyr” is NOT the same as guarding or promoting the aims of a particular Obarskyr, ruling or not - - and that, despite all the aid he’s given Azoun IV over the years, Vangey has also always been dedicated to “preserving Cormyr” without necessarily guarding or promoting the aims of any particular Obarskyr.


So saith Ed. See? Nothing very surprising, so far. I'm guessing that Mystra and/or her Chosen might well have planted the idea of having "house wizards" being de rigeur among the nobility of Cormyr, in the first place, to spread the wizards around so the realm would never think "all wizards work for the king."
I'll toss that thought Ed's way, and see if he confirms it and report back either way...
love to all,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 :  22:20:33  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Garen Thal on Amedahast and the Mages Royal

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Damian
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Amedahast was raised and studied in Myth Drannor before her tenure under Baerauble, so it's not really necessary that she have learned its spells from Elminster.

What I'm suggesting isn't that El learned magical abilities or secrets from Amedahast (he is among the most talented spellcasters of his or any generation, after all), but that he may have adopted her tactics and observed her behavior. Although Baerauble was the first of Cormyr's high mages, and its second longest-serving (Thanderahast beats him by a couple of years), Amedahast was by far the most magically talented and far-sighted (although the latter, it could be said, is a title worthy of Vangerdahast, too). It was she who created the War Wizards--yes, even before the Harpers--and the meddling of great mages in Cormyr owes its tradition to her as much as anyone else.

A powerful young Chosen of Mystra, capable in spells but still looking to find a place and a method in the world beyond hurling fireballs at fell villains, could learn much from a woman like that, even one that is younger than himself...

Amedahast was rather young when she came to Cormyr, but I'm not entirely sure what gives you the impression that she was "fully human." In game terms, she's certainly human, but she absolutely has elven blood. And, as has been shown over and over in the various sources, aging works differently for the -dahast mages than it does for others.

I won't comment on whether or not Amedahast ever met Alea (because it's a story question too rich to spoil), but this young woman was a descendant of at least one wizard that helped raise the mythal over Cormanthor (and who was known as the High Lady of Art), and another who was so respected by the elven court that he was given wardship over Cormyr alongside Faerlthann. She was tutored in magic from a very young age.

As for the meeting of Alea and Baerauble (depicted in Cormyr: A Novel), it is not a happy story. At its core, an erudite mage is captured by savage humans, who are slain by grieving, borderline genocidal elves in retaliation for the killing of their own people. It's not like grandma and grandpa meeting at a dance and getting married three weeks later. There's nothing romantic about it.

Amedahast came to Cormyr knowing very little of the Forest Kingdom's history and lore--and certainly less of its legends. Recall the catechism of rulers that she endured from Baerauble when we first meet her in Cormyr: A Novel; even the most rudimentary of facts are still being drilled into her. Other, more weighty matters are learned later.

Crowned heads and Royal Magicians in Cormyr learn about certain things (such as the events on Solider's/Jester's Green--both those involving Keolan Dracohorn and the Bleth massacre, as well as Ander Obarskyr's folly and countless other things) once their succession is assured and they've been judged capable of handling the knowledge and the wisdom it's meant to convey.

So yes, Baerauble told her about these and many other things... later.


If you mean "was she familiar with the incarnation of Mystra known as Myrjala," then the answer is "no."

If you mean "was Amedahast a worshiper of Mystra," the answer is undoubtedly "yes."

If you mean "was Amedahast favored by the Lady of Mysteries," the answer is "probably, almost certainly so."

If you mean "was Amedahast a Chosen of Mystra," the answer is "NDA cloudy; ask again later." [In other words: Maybe so, maybe no, but either way, I wouldn't be able to say.]


I did not say that Elminster had no dealings with any of the Royal Magicians of Cormyr. I did not say that he did not have a hand in steering some of them to their eventual tasks and decisions. What I said was "Elminster did not train all of Cormyr's Mages Royal. In fact, he trained only one of its Royal Magicians: Vangerdahast."

Perhaps it was not Amedahast that learned from Elminster, but the other way round.




Elminster did not train all of Cormyr's Mages Royal. In fact, he trained only one of its Royal Magicians: Vangerdahast.
1) Baeruable was trained in magic before taking on the job, and also studied under Alea Dahast (his future bride).
2) Amedahast studied under Baerauble
3) Thanderahast studied under Amedahast
4) Jorunhast studied under Thanderhast
5) Vangerdahast studied under Elminster, among other tutors, in large part because Jorunhast was exiled, and therefore could not train his successor directly (at least, not fully)--because such training involves being inside of Cormyr.
6) Caladnei was not a wizard, but a sorcerer, which altered the whole nature of 'training.' What training she did receive for the post of Royal Magician, however, was done under Vangerdahast.
I won't get into Caladnei's successor, because that's 'current Realms time,' and therefore might step on future lore.

Not all, or even most, of Elminster's Daughters reside in Cormyr. The Old Mage has a few of them and more to spare, and Narnra, Laspeera and Filfaeril account for only three of them. At the time of Elminster's Daughter, you can be assured that there were more illegitimate daughters of Azoun IV inside of Cormyr than descendants of Elminster (or at least, who knew that they were).

Elminster's rank inside Cormyr is murky at best. While Storm Silverhand (for example) is the Marchioness Immerdusk, and holds the appropriate privileges thereof, Elminster holds a place of honor without being called by a particular title (at least, none that I can recall without re-checking sources I haven't read in some time)--in fact, the Prince of Athalanter might have rank, but he oesn't 'outrank' anyone at court. His authority over Caladnei is not absolute, or even mostly complete; it's more of the fact of his experience, his mastership over the Harpers, and his rank in service to Mystra. In Cormyr, the Mage Royal answers only to the Crown.

However, the situation in Elminster's Daughter is special for two reasons:
First, it was the first time in Cormyr's history when a Royal Magician assumed the post with her predecessor alive and within Cormyr's borders. And, despite the fact that Vangerdahast was retired, to assume that he would let anyone truly run the place without him peeking in is... naive.

Second, Caladnei was, without question, given instructions to follow, even if Vangerdahast had been slain or otherwise lost contact. Among those instructions were certainly extra folks to whom Caladnei needed to answer, until she came into her own: the Obarskyr royals, of course, but also Laspeera and Elminster and probably a few others.

Ed said
Once again, I agree with Garen Thal's description of what El and Amedahast learned from each other, and the nature of their working relationship. So consider that confirmed, scribes.



So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Kyrene
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THO on Bastards of Azoun
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed has, many a time.
Seriously: in his library campaigns, run many years back (programs at the public library where Ed worked, wherein players ran characters in a chartered adventuring company, in 13 weekly sessions), Ed on three occasions created parties of adventurers containing one or more (!) PCs who were illegitimate offspring of Azoun. Two of the females didn't know their parentage, but all of the males knew or guessed - - sometimes because of attacks launched at them or offers made to them privately by nobles having sinister designs upon the Dragon Throne.
Neverending fun, Ed says. And yes, Harpers, War Wizards, AND Highknights watch over all known royal bastards.
There are some Ed hasn't revealed yet, who will surprise many Realms fans when (or, ahem, considering the 4e timeshift, IF) their heritage becomes known.
love,
THO
Garen Thal on Bastards of Azoun
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

We know without question who Azoun V's parents were (Rowen Cormaeril and Tanalasta Obarskyr), and we know from canon sources--and I'll confirm from discussions with Ed--that there is zero chance that his mother had any other children before (and, obviously, after) Azoun V, this proposed child would of necessity have to be a son of Rowen Cormaeril only, and not of the royal house (or, at the very least, not of Tanalasta).
THO on Bastards of Azoun and Cormaeril Names
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

To treat Markustay's suggestion seriously for a moment:
No, let's not have another "Brace Cormaeril" in Realmslore yet. Please.
I'm not talking about the handle used by a scribe here at the Keep, I'm referring to characters in the Realms.
There already IS a "Brace Cormaeril" - - and his deeds (mostly not yet told in print, but in WotC's hands as unpublished lore, that has been referenced recently at least twice by other designers than Ed) make it highly unlikely that the Cormaeril family would be using that given name much for a few generations.
Far more popular Cormaeril male given names are Aldan, Beliard, Dorn, Elend (though that's never been a first name; it's always been a second or third given name), Galard (ditto what I said for Elend), and Rorald.
This comes from Ed's notes. Damian or anyone, would you like to repost this in the "Everything About Cormyr" thread?
love to all,
THO
dracons on Bastards of Azoun
quote:
Originally posted by dracons

Tavantra Indimber is a female bastard of Azoun.
Realmslore: Azoun's Offspring

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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 :  09:49:48  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More from Ed on Azoun IV bastard children

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Damian
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Well, now we're getting down to the REAL secrets. The way I crafted matters when creating these particular characters: when Azoun and Filfaeril have children, they're usually (I'm thinking a little better than three out of four) going to be female, but Azoun's genes are going to make about the same percentage of his offspring when dallying with other women male.
Leaving out stillbirths, contraception, and all of the other complicating factors, that means that yes, there are quite a few female "bastards" of Azoun you haven't yet heard about, in published Realmslore. Which, after all, tends to avoid sex and associated topics, in part because of the intended audience for the D&D game down the years.
Inheritance in SOME Cormyrean families is matrilineal, so it does "matter" in some cases. One complicating factor that can't be ignored here is that during most of Azoun's lifetime, being "of the blood of the King" was a badge of honour, not shame, in Cormyr. However, not all women, especially if they're noble or adventurers or coinlasses (i.e. tend to promiscuity, in the non-judgemental definition of that word to mean "have multiple sexual partners") may be aware, or certain, that Azoun sired this child and not someone else (husband, boyfriend, etc.)
The consequences of Azoun's pleasuretaking (and -making) is is something I will probably revisit in future Realms fiction, being as it can make usurpers and pretenders possible. However, the "short answer" to this is that Azoun has fathered a lot of so-called "bastards," that it isn't a big deal unless the Obarskyr line is threatened with extinction, that about 77 percent or so of his "gets" will be male, and therefore there are other female offspring of Azoun (at least thirty) you haven't heard/read about yet.
Now, I'm not going to start listing them, because (with a few exceptions, involving inheritance and adventures/stories that can be built around that) I'm more interested in what people do and become, as opposed to who produced them.


So saith Ed. Who will have more to say re. Menelvagor's other queries, in the fullness of time.
love to all,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 :  11:11:55  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
THO on Caladnei's nicknames

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Damian
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Yes, all of the previous Royal Magicians and Court Wizards (the offices have not always been combined) have had nicknames, both cruel/disparaging/behind their backs AND affectionate/used by friends.
Caladnei, for instance, was jokingly called "Nay" (a shortening of her name AND a dig at her frequent need, as she was tested by most of the realm as an outlander and a woman who was now filling the shoes of the VERY formidable Vangey, to say "no" to various people). This name was used both as a biting insult and as an affectionate, friendly term. Only a few close friends (such as Alusair) used "Cala," and it was definitely friendly/affectionate/intimate. "Duskcloak" was a politely formal disparaging reference to Caladnei's skin hue, which wasn't so much racist (remember, Cormyr is home to native-born folk of all sorts of skin hues) as it was xenophobic ("getting at" the fact she was an outlander) . . . but it got turned into a friendly Court nickname by those who remade it into "Lady Duskcloak" and used it only in a favourable manner.
And so on. I know she has other nicknames, but Ed (and/or perhaps Garen Thal) will have to fill you in on them.
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 :  10:30:52  Show Profile  Visit Kerrigan's Homepage Send Kerrigan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I’ll slide in a little hint, here: you may read some more of Alusair’s utterances in print, fairly soon.

Thats wonderful news!
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 :  17:39:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
. . . And I can now reveal that I was referring to Ed's novel ELMINSTER MUST DIE! as the place where you can read more utterances of Alusair.
Essential rwading for all Realms fans!
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THO
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

. . . And I can now reveal that I was referring to Ed's novel ELMINSTER MUST DIE! as the place where you can read more utterances of Alusair.
Essential rwading for all Realms fans!
love,
THO



Great to hear, THO!

Elminster Must Die is definitly a must-have for any Cormyr-Fan. Aside from the utterances of Alusair you mentioned, one will find a lot of lore on Suzail and Cormyr in thios book as well, at least according to Ed's interview with flamesrising.com

I've added the book to my first entry list already.

Best wishes, Ergdusch



Edit note:
And welcome back from GenCon, THO.

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

Edited by - Ergdusch on 11 Aug 2010 18:17:52
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It's a great read.

I love who is 'living' in the Haunted Wing of the Palace.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 :  19:31:50  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As "the" Cormyr guy, I'll confirm that this is, in fact, a must-have for any Cormyr fan. It's not, though, a 'Cormyr novel' as such; while Elminster's Daughter could have been considered part four of the Cormyr Saga (in addition to being book 5 of the Elminster Saga; now "Sage of Shadowdale"), this story is squarely about El, a number of characters who have touched on his life in the past, and some new allies and enemies, as well.
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I want to know more about Lady Dark Armour.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 :  00:37:19  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Quick question for our Cormyr experts:

I know that the crown has offered both land and money (and perhaps a title?) to anyone able to take a piece of the Stonelands, and hold it. Sort of a fantasy version of 'Home-steading'.

Anyone know where I can find this bit of lore? I looked in the two most obvious sources (the Cormyr booklets), and also the Stonelands booklet that came in Elminster's Ecologies, and I can't seem to locate it.



Volo's Guide to Cormyr has the original reference as I recall.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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