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sleyvas
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 :  20:53:16  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
<<Bugger. More sloppy development and editing.

Yeah, is it just me, or does it feel like this just started in the last year or thereabouts? It started (at least to me) around the time tome of magic came out. Not saying that previous years didn't have some problems, mind, which is why 3.5 came out, but seems like things are being put out very fast again.

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Kuje
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 :  22:24:39  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

<<Bugger. More sloppy development and editing.

Yeah, is it just me, or does it feel like this just started in the last year or thereabouts? It started (at least to me) around the time tome of magic came out. Not saying that previous years didn't have some problems, mind, which is why 3.5 came out, but seems like things are being put out very fast again.



Think its just you because I've seen errors in every FR, and core, sourcebook ever since 3e. :) For example, take a gander through the FR NPC file for 3/3.5e. Gods, some of those NPC's just make me cringe.

Furthermore, there's a 6 page thread on ENworld discussing this topic because WOTC and MANY 3rd party companies have editing/grammar/etc issues.

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Edited by - Kuje on 18 Apr 2007 23:38:59
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 :  22:36:57  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I have to concur. Not to state if its too much or if its acceptable, but it seems like every year or so, depending on who is looking at what, that statement is made. While its not in dispute that there are mistakes, and sometimes really aggrivating ones, I wouldn't even venture to say if there are more or less than there have been in other recent years. You may, however, make a case for weather they have released pages for web previews with mistakes in them before, which tends to highlight the mistakes in question.
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Eremite
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 :  02:14:37  Show Profile  Visit Eremite's Homepage Send Eremite a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Editing errors happen but the ones that are particularly egregious are what are seen here with the cambions: bad development. I expect the designers to try and break a few rules but it's the job of the development guys to bring the design back on track. However, the dev team seems to go asleep at the wheel far too often and then the editors get blamed.

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Zanan
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 :  14:44:38  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

I just looked over this at the book store, and yes, the odd numbered ability bonuses and assasin as favored class are in the book.

Cambions have hit dice, alu fiends, as presented in the little write up that James Jacobs did in Dragon, just have substitute abilities that replace a few of the standard half-fiend abilities of that template.



One wonders whether they are close to what they did over on the Wizards main site recently, all these half-fiend variants.

And I wonder whether it is close to Another Gnome's and my version of the alu-fiends too ...

http://www.dnd-gate.de/gate3/page/index.php?id=125

Obviously, half-yochlol and half-brahina should follow suit

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Dargoth
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Posted - 02 May 2007 :  02:16:23  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Apparently the new Expedition to the Demonweb Pits has the 3.5 version of the Cambion in it, which is a specialized form of half fiend , and the stats for them are posted in a download at WOTC's site:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/excerpts/demonwebpits/ExpeditionDemonwebPits__Cambion.zip


Now, in Dragon Magazine 355, James Jacobs gives some 3.5 stats for alu-fiends that he didn't have room for in his Malcanthet article, and they appear on page 10 of that issue.

Hooray . . . I guess Aliisza and Kaanyr Vhok are officially what they have always been . . .



Got my copy of Dragon 355 last night but ill be damned if I can find stats for the Alu fiend what page number is it on?

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 02 May 2007 :  02:30:17  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Page 10, its actually in a response to a letter in the letters section, discussing what James Jacobs cut out of the Malconthet article.
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turox
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Posted - 02 May 2007 :  02:39:23  Show Profile  Visit turox's Homepage Send turox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dargoth I just leafed through my copy of 355 and the only thing I could find was on page 10 in the Scale Mail column under the title Demon Spawn. In there it is listed as an ALU-DEMON. I think that is the spot they are talking about.

Hope that helps

EDIT: Darn not fast enough, that is what I get for second guessing myself.

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Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, Page #397, US Hard Cover (revealed by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander).
Explanation by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander: "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

Edited by - turox on 02 May 2007 02:40:43
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Dargoth
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Posted - 02 May 2007 :  03:20:21  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah thanks

thought for sure iot must have been in creature collection VI and I was pulling my hair out trying to find it!

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