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malchor7
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 Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 17:50:49
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I'm sure this question has been asked and answered elsewhere, but do people smoke in the Realms?
What? How?
Is there a cigarette equivalent, or is everything done with pipes?
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Pasta Fzoul
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 18:08:09
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| Off the top of my head, Erevis Cale and Jak, from Paul S. Kemp's novels, smoke pipes, using "pipeweed". |
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
578 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 18:11:05
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I don't know of canon but My character Delzounblood smokes!
He smokes roll-ups with no filter! I took inspiration from Terry Pratchett's Disk World books where ALL wizards smoke rollies.
Somehow a Battlerager smoking a clay pipe just didn't fit!
I use imported tabacco from a little Gnome Merchant in my game.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 18:19:53
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Clay pipes are by far the most popular way to smoke, both tobacco and other psychoactive and medicinal herbs (such as the thalander and phaelder flower that Elminster smokes). Cigars are known, as are hookahs in places like Thay. Water pipes (bongs) may also be used -- they might not have seen print if so.
Tobacco is grown in Faerûn: it's not just a Maztican import as some have assumed. The word 'pipeweed', far less common in Realmslore than 'tobacco', seems to be a general term for weed smoked in pipes, though I suspect it hasn't been used consistently. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 18:44:04
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*grins* I have a character who is a heavy smoker, and she uses all kinds of methods: pipes, waterpipes, cigars, and cigarettes. And she doesn't only smoke tobacco.
Also, I distinctly recall that on the new Waterdeep map in the City of Splendors sourcebook, there was a tobacconist shop, so I'd guess that smoking isn't all that uncommon (at least not in Waterdeep). |
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thom
Seeker
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 20:40:56
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Hmmm...is Aurora's guide considered "good" canon? Because I remember Maztican "tabacco" and I thought Maztican cigars were in it as well.
Since we're on this subject,  one of my players wants to become a snuff addict . I was thinking of taking the cost of tobacco and tripling it to come up with a fair cost for snuff. How does that sound to y'all?
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 21:30:34
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Tobacco is mentioned in sources set before the 'discovery' of Maztica -- it's common and widespread, not a rare and expensive import. There may well be Maztican tobacco as well, maybe a different species or variety, but Aurora's (and Demihumans of the Realms) are in error when they suggest Maztica as tobacco's sole origin.
The quality of Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is mixed -- no surprise given its several authors. Few outright errors, but it's not a reliable primary source.
Snuff definitely exists in the Realms. I don't know how hard is it to prepare. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 21:51:41
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| Aurora and her business were mentioned in other products, specifically 2E ones dealing with Undermountain and Waterdeep. That's canon enough for me. |
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MaxKaladin
Seeker
77 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 21:53:11
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As it happens, I was reading Swords of Eveningstar at lunch today and came across a reference to a character smoking a cigar (which is noted as being quite expensive even on his salary). I think these books are set in the 1340s -- certainly before the discovery of Maztica.
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thom
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 22:07:33
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Originally posted by MaxKaladin
As it happens, I was reading Swords of Eveningstar at lunch today and came across a reference to a character smoking a cigar (which is noted as being quite expensive even on his salary). I think these books are set in the 1340s -- certainly before the discovery of Maztica.
Well, that's good enough for me! So I'll just take my tobacco price list and extrapolate cigars (and snuff) from that! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 23:20:30
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And we usually see that the pipe is by far the most traditional, or actually... common, way of smoking in the Realms. This means that a significant range of plants are utilised or rather smoked, some which perhaps lead to different psychogenic and medicinal effects. We know, for example, that Elminster smokes phaelder and thalander rather than regular tobacco -- which is extensively available, and actually referred to more often as tobacco than pipeweed though there may actually be a Realms alternative term for it that has yet to be utilised in any novels or accessories.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 23:56:04
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There is. Cigars are mentioned in, for instance, City of Splendors: Adventurer's Guide to the City p. 60, The City of Ravens Bluff p. 58, Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue p. 132, and Swords of Eveningstar as mentioned above (though I don't recall it).
No references to cigarettes or cigarillos that I've read. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 13:35:19
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Rollies wouldn't be unreasonable but I wouldn't ever have prepackaged cigarettes with filter and all, although that begs the question, is the Realms able to produce a rolling paper?
If so then it's no real problem including rollies, if not then you might just have to stick with pipes and cigars (perhaps cigarillos but I'm unsure of what they are "wrapped" with *g*)
And it's unlikely that you'll see any new official FR material about it, otherwise concerned parents will revoke their childrens adventuring privilages because D&D promotes smoking! ;D |
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MaxKaladin
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 18:15:15
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Originally posted by Faraer
and Swords of Eveningstar as mentioned above (though I don't recall it).
I'm not sure how to describe it further without the book in front of me and without spoilers, but it's in the last half of the book. The smoker in question is a Purple Dragon with one of those ranks I can never remember. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 03:50:14
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| I think the FRCS mercantile section (the map showing the flow of goods) would indicate the lands where tobacco grows. I'll check and get back to you... |
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2007 : 03:46:14
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Well met all,
One of Ed's replies inteh Chamber of Sages this year had a reply that had to do with cigars...can't seem to locate the post though =( |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2007 : 03:52:16
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Originally posted by AlorinDawn
Well met all,
One of Ed's replies inteh Chamber of Sages this year had a reply that had to do with cigars...can't seem to locate the post though =(
There's a April 20th reply of this year with a NPC that chews tobacco or unlit cigars.
If that isn't the post you mean, then I'm not sure. It's the only post for this year that has cigar in it.... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2007 : 16:41:45
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| Yeah, I've heard of this guy called Elminster who has an enchanted pipe, so I'm pretty sure smoking happens :-) |
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Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 15:30:50
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Miscellaneous Items (Tobacco/Pipeweed of the Realms)
Here is a list of tobacco/pipeweed I found online a number of years ago. I looked online to find the web address but it seems to have disappeared long ago.
List nation of origin, it’s common name, and price in gold pieces.
Maztica
~Money~
50 gram pouch (80 gp)
Zahekarin (Dwarven variety)
~Axe~
50 gram pouch (1 gp)
West Fennet (Cormyr)
~Afterburn~
50 gram pouch (6 sp)
Neblin (Deep Gnome variety)
N/A
50 gram pouch (5 gp)
Selterian (Halruaa)
~Shards~
50 gram pouch (3 gp)
Bree (Liuren)
~Breeze~
50 gram pouch (100 gp)
Silfarindrin (Elvish variety)
~Evereskan~
50 gram pouch (10 gp)
Makepeace Pipe (Mastercraftworks) (30 gp) high quality item
Note: Pipe 13-15 inches in length made entirely of clay. Each pieces if fired in the magical kiln of the master potter llvn Makepeace of Corm Orp.
(*) similiar to the Churchwardens of Tolkien's Fellowship of the Rings novels
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 18:20:22
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Originally posted by The Sage
'Pipeweed' is also grown in Tethyr.
I was just about to mention that. There's a county in Tethyr run by a halfling noble and a large halfling population resides there. The Purple Hills I believe it's called. Their main commodity is vast farms of "pipeweed". |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 18:31:42
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Yeah, I've heard of this guy called Elminster who has an enchanted pipe, so I'm pretty sure smoking happens :-)
-Now I know why he hears voices in his head now.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 18:50:47
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I understand he traded his pipe in for a Bong in 4e.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 23:17:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I understand he traded his pipe in for a Bong in 4e.
It's still magical, though. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 23:46:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Razz
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
'Pipeweed' is also grown in Tethyr.
I was just about to mention that. There's a county in Tethyr run by a halfling noble and a large halfling population resides there.
You mean County Vintar?
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The Purple Hills I believe it's called. Their main commodity is vast farms of "pipeweed".
Don't forget the wine and cider as well. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 23:49:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I understand he traded his pipe in for a Bong in 4e.
It's still magical, though.
So does that mean the Spellplague may simply be the Realms version of a "Magical Mystery Tour?" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 03:34:18
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Great Ceaser's Ghost! 
Now it all makes sense... 4e is really just El on a really bad trip. 
I heard he even traded in his twisted tower for a giant mushroom and now just hangs out in the woods dispensing advice to little girls who eat and drink things they really shouldn't. |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Nov 2008 : 16:31:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
Great Ceaser's Ghost!
Now it all makes sense... 4e is really just El on a really bad trip.
I heard he even traded in his twisted tower for a giant mushroom and now just hangs out in the woods dispensing advice to little girls who eat and drink things they really shouldn't.
Now we just have to wonder when he'll go in for detoxification and rehab so we can all get back to normal?  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2008 : 19:39:13
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-Hey I work at a great one so, here is the # (555)-123-4567.
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Edited by - Brimstone on 13 Nov 2008 19:39:40 |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 08:46:51
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| ah...the splendor of candlekeep, discussing the finer parts of the Forgotten Realms...lol next subject, is there crack cocaine and hookers in the realms? |
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