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Malanthius
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Posted - 17 Jul 2003 :  11:34:59  Show Profile  Visit Malanthius's Homepage  Send Malanthius an AOL message  Send Malanthius a Yahoo! Message Send Malanthius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A ghostly image slowly coaleses near the sages Desk. It stands there in siltent patience until the caretaker of the shop looks up from his copy of the Draconomicon and says grumpily " Yes ?"
Terribly sorry sage, I'm sending this image to inform you there'll be a slight delay in that delivery we talked about. I seem to have become involved with a dispute concerning ownership of a 1 foor square of Sigil.
Anyway I should have those scrolls relatively soon, and i do remember a piece of armor crafted by an alchemist friend that might be useful for that little party of adventurers you were trying to aid.
Oh yes, the scrolls come from some of the collected works of "Ralphos Nadeer". Until later then...

"Oh, Do stop whining, It's not the End of the World. It's just the end of Your's."
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::The Sage reflects for a moment upon the words uttered by Malanthius. "I understand completely. I once found myself involved in a Sigilian land ownership dispute with a particularly nasty cornugon named Brel'ali Maxar. The argument would have quickly degenerated into a spell-battle if it were not for a pair of Dabus who immediately arrived on the scene and then transported both of us to alternate parts of the torus".::




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Posted - 17 Jul 2003 :  22:39:27  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sage, do you think you could give me the stats for the old staff-sling? I want to make sure this is Epic enough to be better than the old one. You don't need the whole formal layout, just the powers. (More specific than what you said earlier.)

I think I may actually have two staff-slings, one Epic, the other normal.

By the way, what're the stats for an ordinary staff-sling? I can't find any.

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The stats for a regular staff-sling are as follows -

damage: 1d4 when used as a sling - 1d6 when used as a staff
type: bludgeoning
weight: 4lbs.
cost: 5 gp

The staff-sling is an infamous kender (from DL) weapon that is often also known as a "hoopak". One end of the staff-sling is forked and is often used to sling rocks at enemies. The staff-sling's other end is capped with iron or steel.


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The reason you didn't find the stats anywhere is because you probably don't have access to the Dragonlance Adventures tome.

Anyway, on top of these regular stats, the staff has the following powers -

* +1 staff of striking although this is very similar to to the 2e staff of smiting, and can be used just as well

* enchanted with the true strike spell

* grants the user for free the "rapid true shot" feat

* the staff allows the bearer to function as though under the effects of Whirlwind Attack feat

* once every five days, the steel-capped end of the staff-sling can be used only by the bearer to produce produce effects similar to an earthquake spell, when the end is used to strike a position on the ground. A successful strength check (DC 20) must be achieved in order for the effect to be triggered.


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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  07:10:01  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's silly. The staff sling is one of the oldest weapons of mankind. If I'm not mistaken, it's still used in the Highlands by shepherds. (Not as a weapon; you land a rock on the side of an animal, and it moves the other way.) It shouldn't be world-specific. I knew it was a kender weapon, I just thought it would be in other places as well.

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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  07:13:15  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, that's what I needed to know. I still don't know what the feat does (it being something you made, but didn't post), but the rest shows that my staff sling is under-powered. Just like I had been afraid of.

Don't worry, I'm fixing it. I might have it done by the time of your Saturday session, whether or not it is actually held.

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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  07:48:36  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I assume the old weapon's true strike had no daily use limit, it being an Epic weapon after all?

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That's correct. That much at least did not change.


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The staff-sling is not world-specific. I have just noticed more useage of this weapon in Dragonlance than I have in any other setting.

The 2e Arms and Equipment Guide details a number of them, along with some entries in the Encyclopedia Magica collection.


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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  08:18:40  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But there's nothing in 3e that I can find.

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I only ever recall two singular uses of a staff-sling in non-Dragonlance campaigns settings (three if you count Spelljammer, however that was by a kender in Krynnspace so...). They were the Ravenloft setting, as used by a scout from the Vistani, and in the Mystara setting, but on that world it is considered an archaic weapon since their level of technology is 'slightly' above fantasy standard.


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Are you sure. I am fairly certain it is in the 3e Arms and Equipment Guide?.


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Oh, and I know for sure it is in the 3e DLCS, and the Ravenloft CS.


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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  19:00:16  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How's this for a power? It would replace the earthquake bit on the old one.



Staff sling of elemental might

Absorbs up to 30 points of either acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic energy. It can only absorb one type of energy at a time. Whenever the wielder would have been hit by one of these energy types, the energy will veer into the staff itself. Its appearance changes with respect to the energy it holds; if there is no energy, it instead appears to be a normal staff sling.

The staff can only absorb up to a total of 30 points. It naturally loses one point per round, starting the turn after it was last hit. However, with each use of the staff as a weapon, the stored energy can be used against that target. If used to sling bullets, each bullet deals an extra 1d4 points of energy damage. (This is subtracted whether the bullet hits or not.) If used as a quarterstaff, it deals an extra 1d6 points of energy damage if it hits. (Misses from this use do not subtract extra energy points.)

If the staff is hit with another energy type while it still contains the previous energy, that energy affects the bearer as normal. If the previous energy amount is zero, the staff can absorb the new energy type, to be used as above.

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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  02:12:21  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's funny, when I started reading the first paragraph of your post, the first thing I thought was, "wouldn't it be interesting to have this weapon redirect the absorbed energy back at an opponent in some way". And there you go, that is exactly what you did.

This is a great replacement for the old staff-sling Bookwyrm. I am really happy with this attempt. Good job.

What I especially like about this weapon, is the way you decided to reuse the absorbed energy, for example, the bonus damage inflicted from the bullets.



Also you mentioned recently that you might have two staff-slings, one epic and the other normal.

Does this normal one have any special abilities as well?. If it does, do you intend to post here in the Magic Shop?.


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Malanthius
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A shimmering portal slides up from floor level into the shop Allowing an exceptionally tall figure through. He carries draped over his back a suit of armor that seems rather bulky but light weight, oddest of all, it seems to be made of glass...

"What is it with kenders and protracted business deals?" he mutters to no one in particular as he calmly walks toward the propieter of the shop.
Alas, I'm afraid I'll have to say better late than never. I'm not entirely sure you'll be able to take a look at this before the session on saturday, but perhaps you'll be interested in using it for a later date?


Norbert of Lantam was one of the most respected alchemists in that fair land, that fact makes his fall from grace perhaps that much more tragic.
Everyone is familiar with the simple every day items provided by alchemists of everyland that makes their lives that much easier. Few however remember that this particular craft began as an attempt to convert more easily aquired elements into gold.
Neither is it spoken of much that a large number of alchemists to this day attempt elemental conversion experiments, albeit as more of a hobby than any honest effort.
Norberts greatest mistake as an alchemist was that he succeeded in this field. Somewhat anyway.
Through a series of truly unorthodox procedures, Norbert discovered a way to change glass into steel. Or at least give it properties very much like steel in hardness and consistency.
Norbert was further delighted when he discoved the substance maintained the translucent properties of glass. He immediately gathered his notes and samples of the substance to tell his colleagues of the wondrous discovery, completely unaware of the next discovery he was about to make.
Alchemists, focus only on two things really in their field, the creation of their various potions, and of course occasionally trying to turn things into gold. They simply didn't see any use whatsoever for Norbert's discovery.
In an act of desperation to prove the worth of his new found substance, Norbert crafted this magnificient suit of armor from it. Amazingly weighing only half as much as a steel version, the wearer is both less encumbered and less restricted by it. The nature of norbert's process also allowed him to create the armor itself for only half the normal cost of materials.
Not that he didn't have faith in the strenght of his material, but to ensure a freak monster encounter wouldn't make the armor seem weak, Norbert enchanted it with the most powerful defenses he knew, making it almost unbreakable. Then to demonstrate it's usefulness, he gave the armor to the most ambitious adventurer he could find.
The aforementioned adventurer put the armor through amazing punishment, facing foes of amazing power, not the least of which being a hill giant; coming out of each battle completely unscathed. Unfortunately, there was just one small problem with the substance Norbert never quite noticed.
This flaw was revealed when the adventurer got incredibly drunk at a local tavern and became exceptionally insulting to a high-priestess of Lathander. Knowing the armor he wore to be nearly indestructible, the priestess used her most powerful spell to at least disuade the drunkards advances; a few minutes later, all that remained of him was charred, smoking, ashes.
For some strange reason the substance seemed to magnify any and all forms of light that passed through it, which not only allowed the priestesses spell to bypass it, but increased the magnitude of the damage caused by her casting.
This was the last straw for poor Norbert. He burned his notes and had himself confined to an assylum to live out the rest of his days.
All that remains is this singular suit, in silent testimony to the folly of the idea of turning "glass into steel".

Norbert's Comfortably Indestructible Full Plate

Caster Level: 20th
Prerequisites:Craft arms and armor,Craft Epic arms and Armor, Alchemy 35 ranks
Market Price:2,890,000 GP
Cost to Create: 1,445,000GP + 115,600 XP

Functions as a +6 Fortified(Heavy)Glammered Greater Invulnerable (15/+3) Full plate armor with the following exeptions to do Norberts Glass:
Base armor bonus:+8
Max Dex bonus adj: +2
Armor check penalty adj: -4
Arcane spell failure: 25%
speed: 20ft (counts as medium armor when running)
Weight: 25lbs
Special: Wearer can sleep in the armor without incurring the normal next day ailments. Unfortunately, due to the tranlucency and magnifying nature of the material, All spells, spell like abilities or attacks with the light descriptor ignore the armors defence bonuses and due double damage to the wearer.

Malanthius takes a deep breath as he finishes the rather long tale, "So, someway or another i picked it up and later looked into it's history, now, i'd very much like it if you could make it someone elses' problem?"

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Another interesting tale, and another fine suit of armor. Perhaps I should start getting back to creating and posting items of my own, although they may have to wait as I have been a little too busy this week, and it looks like for the next week as well.

It seems fairly balanced, and all the epic-level stats work out fine, and the other stats work just as well. Impressive.

Anyway, I am just wondering Malanthius, did you make use of the armor and shield market pricing tables from the Epic Level Handbook to price this armor?. I only ask because I notice you have said it functions as a +6 'Fortified(Heavy)Glammered Greater Invulnerable (15/+3) Full plate armor'.


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And yes I did manage to see this in time before my session tonight, which has now been reaffirmed.

So thank you for the item, and I appreciate the effort.

Do you have other contributions?. I am sure both my patrons and the regular contributors would be very interested to see what other fine items you may bring here to the Magic Shop.




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Malanthius
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I'll be honest, the market price guide in all the cannon material confuses me. As far as i can tell there was some kind of mistake in the pricing guid in the 3.0 DMG, corrected in tome and blood, possibly expanded on in the epic level handbook?
Anyway, you can find the Fortify and Glammer armor abilities in the DGM but the Greater Invulnerability feat comes in several forms located in the ELH.

Note on Norber's Glass: This was kind of the product of a home grown feat that was sometimes called "Elemental alteration" Basicly enabling an alchemist to add the properties of one element or substance onto another.

As for other items, I distinctly remember promising I'd bring over my collection of Ralphos Nedeer's works...

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quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth

Also you mentioned recently that you might have two staff-slings, one epic and the other normal.

Does this normal one have any special abilities as well?. If it does, do you intend to post here in the Magic Shop?.



Yes, it does. Yes, I do.

I just need to figure out a few other things. I had a power idea that is less than a true strike, but still gives a nice bonus.

Glad you liked the staff. I didn't know if that power would be enough. It was actually originally going to be for electricity only with a 25-point limit. That got canned after I saw the specs for the old one.

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It seems odd. Glass-steel. I know I've heard of that one before . . . and no, I'm not thinking of the druid spell ironwood.

I think it must have been in a non-D&D fantasy I read long ago. If only I could remember which! Now I'm going to be bugged until I go to bed.

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Malanthius said -
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Note on Norber's Glass: This was kind of the product of a home grown feat that was sometimes called "Elemental alteration" Basicly enabling an alchemist to add the properties of one element or substance onto another.
Is that the feat similar to the assassins poison blade feat that pretty much allows the same thing, only with regards to different poisons?. I think it is presented in the Assassin's Handbook.


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I remember reading something about glass-steel, although I think it was probably from a different source. It was an old sci-fi novel published in 1964 (I think). It made reference to a specially crafted material (glass-steel) which could be used in the production of special military glider-fighters. This material would make these fighters virtually invisible when viewed from the ground.

However because of the lack of complicated machinery and powered engines these craft were only ever used in scouting operations and short reconnainssance missions. I think they were only ever used once in the book.


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No, I think this had to do more with glass-steel swords.

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