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Alaundo
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 :  09:54:25  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Well met

At last, we have activity on WotC's FR site.

This time, a new column entitled Class Chronicles, by Eytan Bernstein.

The first article is Beguilers and Dragon Shamans

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Hello-

Part 2 is up!

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070228

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Wow, Eytan really did a good job with Duskblades. I wasn't going to use them in my campaigns, but I like it as a divergent, competing bladsinger "school" that is associated with the Vyshaan, and I like the idea of them showing up among the Fey'ri and the Eldreth Veluuthra. Really great ideas Eytan.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 :  10:00:35  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I didn't know it was up until I read it here.

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Edited by - EytanBernstein on 28 Feb 2007 10:00:51
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Bladedancer
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 :  14:32:13  Show Profile  Visit Bladedancer's Homepage Send Bladedancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Damn Mr. Bernstein your adaptation of Duskblades to Forgotten Realms was awesome! I look forward to your next submission.

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 :  14:43:49  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with KEJR in this. I was one of the DMs that pretended to not use duskblades in Faerūn (because of the famous bladesingers), but after read the good ideas of Eytan, my concept change radically.

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Mace Hammerhand
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OK...everything I could say is a mere copy of what KEJR and Moradin's Chosen already said, hence I just state...damn good job, Eytan! This way one can incorporate duskblades into the Realms. Thanks for penning these articles.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 :  21:29:54  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks. The duskblade entry is definitely one of my favorites.

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YES VERY GOOD.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 :  15:42:18  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, Eytan *is* brilliant, so . . .

(Though I'm not saying that just 'cuz of this column. )

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EytanBernstein
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I am soooo blushing :)

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chance87
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Wow! I thought the Beguiler was pretty well done, but the Duskblade write-up was awesome.
Wish this one had hit the web before I created my current Duskblade character.
You're not suckering us in by having WotC post the best ones first, are you?
Can't wait to see the next one go up.
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Reefy
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 :  00:45:44  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage  Click to see Reefy's MSN Messenger address Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not a fan of the class, but I've got to hand it to you, Eytan, the duskblade concept is pretty cool. The column seems to be shaping up nicely.

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Gray Richardson
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Eytan, you made these classes come alive for me. I never had much interest in them before and hadn't thought of them in any Realms context. But you have made the scales fall from my eyes!

You have baptised these generic classes in the holy waters of Realmslore and now they have found new life in my soul. I already have 3 new NPC's that I am working on to have ready for upcoming sessions.

Great work! Looking forward to more!
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 :  11:49:41  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chance87

Wow! I thought the Beguiler was pretty well done, but the Duskblade write-up was awesome.
Wish this one had hit the web before I created my current Duskblade character.
You're not suckering us in by having WotC post the best ones first, are you?
Can't wait to see the next one go up.




I have little control over what gets published first. I usually submit the article in sets of four or five classes, then they split it up however they like. So far, I've done three sets. I'd like to think that my upcoming two are actually an improvement on the first one.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 :  11:52:24  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

Eytan, you made these classes come alive for me. I never had much interest in them before and hadn't thought of them in any Realms context. But you have made the scales fall from my eyes!

You have baptised these generic classes in the holy waters of Realmslore and now they have found new life in my soul. I already have 3 new NPC's that I am working on to have ready for upcoming sessions.

Great work! Looking forward to more!



Thanks. I think the knight and dragon shaman entries were actually a little light in realmslore (though the other two were not), but I am attempting to rectify this by making sure that all future classes have at least some new or expanded realmslore in them.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 05 Mar 2007 :  01:07:35  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Eytan if a Knight character takes levels of the Purple Dragon Knight PrC how does the Knights Fighting Challenge work with the Purple Dragon Knights Oath of Wrath ability?


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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 05 Mar 2007 :  15:51:42  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chance87

You're not suckering us in by having WotC post the best ones first, are you?


Knowing Eytan, that's a resounding *no* -- there's no end to the man's good work.

And having had the pleasure of . . . ahem. Right, super-secret. Right-o. Well. You'll like it.

quote:
Can't wait to see the next one go up.


Mutual.

quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

Eytan, you made these classes come alive for me. I never had much interest in them before and hadn't thought of them in any Realms context. But you have made the scales fall from my eyes!


Seconded! I'd thought them rather gamey, but the ways they fit in are awesome, awesome, awesome.

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Conlon
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 :  02:58:48  Show Profile  Visit Conlon's Homepage Send Conlon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great job, Eytan.

I am presently running a campaign which involves both the Eldreth Veluuthra and the Daemonfey. You have given me some more "seasoning" with which to flavour my game. Though I don't have the PHB II and am unfamiliar with the duskblade class, I'm going to have to do some research so I can add them into the mix.

Thanks very much, and keep 'em coming!

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Daviot
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 :  05:52:15  Show Profile  Visit Daviot's Homepage  Send Daviot an AOL message Send Daviot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eytan, this was exactly what I was looking for.
I originally picked up the PHB II for the feats, but this adds another way to spice up the Realms.
In my campaign, it's spring 1374 and the party is currently heading towards the Anauroch. One of the ruins they're heading for is that of Mhaelos (Hlondath), of which the LEoF's rumors says that "Evermeet bladesingers" were spotted poking around the ruins. These I had planning on being members of the Eldreth Veluuthra, and it's only natural that some fey'ri around going to be poking around. I would venture a guess and say that in my game, the Eldreth Veluuthra would probably also use duskblades.

Not to mention next on my party's objectives list is sneaking around the Moonsea, and they've already miffed the Zhents by taking down a low-ranking skymage in combat. There will definitely be some Zhentilar knights looking for them. ~_^

Thanks again for the great Realmslore!

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 :  20:29:02  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Hey Eytan if a Knight character takes levels of the Purple Dragon Knight PrC how does the Knights Fighting Challenge work with the Purple Dragon Knights Oath of Wrath ability?





By the rules, there wouldn't really be any synergy. If such a character was in one of my games, I'd probably allow the Knight abilities to stack with those of Purple Dragon Knights. Ultimately, they are probably not all that complimentary, at least in terms of mechanics, despite having extremely similar flavor and purposes.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 :  20:30:03  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Daviot

Eytan, this was exactly what I was looking for.
I originally picked up the PHB II for the feats, but this adds another way to spice up the Realms.
In my campaign, it's spring 1374 and the party is currently heading towards the Anauroch. One of the ruins they're heading for is that of Mhaelos (Hlondath), of which the LEoF's rumors says that "Evermeet bladesingers" were spotted poking around the ruins. These I had planning on being members of the Eldreth Veluuthra, and it's only natural that some fey'ri around going to be poking around. I would venture a guess and say that in my game, the Eldreth Veluuthra would probably also use duskblades.

Not to mention next on my party's objectives list is sneaking around the Moonsea, and they've already miffed the Zhents by taking down a low-ranking skymage in combat. There will definitely be some Zhentilar knights looking for them. ~_^

Thanks again for the great Realmslore!



Glad to hear you are getting use out of it. I think you'll all find some of the upcoming entries to be even more useful.

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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 :  20:45:13  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eytan, here's a little feedback on your first two columns.

I don't think much of most prestige classes, as I find they rarely offer anything worthwhile that can't be done with the basic classes. These pieces don't change my mind, but they're interesting as answers to questions of what sorcerer-illusionists, tribal dragon worshippers, and knights exist in the Realms. The duskblade is a different case (and perhaps you had better pointed this out) because they're a potential new setting element.

I like the beguiler and duskblade material. The dragon shaman section is functional. I'll focus my comments on the knight section (and I noted your realization above that it's light in Realmslore).

This was an opportunity to discuss what 'knight' means in the Realms in contrast with standard English and D&D usage: first, it often refers to heroic, knightly people who aren't aristocratic plate-armoured horsemen, and these would *not* be represented by the knight class. The Knights of the North aren't PH2 knights (though they could include some). General information on the institution of knighthood in the Realms would also have been welcome: concepts of chivalry, social perceptions, the knight's code, etc.

Better to use the Realmsian 'goblinkin' than 'goblinoid' (which is found in Realms sources but it is more natural to Warhammer). Also, now that 3E sources are using 'Zhentilar' again, you might have made the distinction too.
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Ah, yes... 'Twas nice to see the term 'Zhentilar' being slipped back into the Realmslore through Power of Faerūn, especially after being edged out in prior 3e books.

Coincidently, Eytan, this was one of the critical points I mentioned with you at WotC.

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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 :  00:46:30  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I liked th Duskblade write up but like others I felt the Knight was glossed over. The term "Knight" is rather miss used in the Forgotten realms. The name Knights is more commonly used for adventuring companys (Knights of Myth Drannor) or Paladin orders. I would have much rather have seen a Knight class article focusing on secular knight friendly organisations (Such as the Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr) and Knight orders for Gods that dont support Paladin orders (Such as the Banite Knights of the Black Gauntlet)

Id also love to see substitute levels like those found in Champions of Valor/Ruins for knights so a Knight whose a member of the Knights of the Black Gauntlet would be different to a Purple dragon knight


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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 :  14:45:35  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting points, Dargoth. I fully agree with you.

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