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Iakhovas
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 :  10:16:49  Show Profile  Visit Iakhovas's Homepage  Send Iakhovas a Yahoo! Message Send Iakhovas a Private Message
Hello Ed,

I've been searching the archives until I got cross-eyed and got a migraine but still didn't find what I was looking for.

I know that you posted somewhere about a number of catch phrases, swear words, greetings, battle cries for Zhents, Cyricists, etc. I really need them to color my DnD campaign. Also if you have any swear words typically used by Red Wizards to give me would be nice.

Also, can you give examples of Faerûnian swear words, sayings, greetings, etc? And the race and/or area where it is often used.

For example: "Dark!" and "Dark and empty!" are used in Sembia. I just got this from the Cale novels. Do you have any other examples?

Again, thanks for any help.
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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Iakhovas

Hello Ed,

I've been searching the archives until I got cross-eyed and got a migraine but still didn't find what I was looking for.

I know that you posted somewhere about a number of catch phrases, swear words, greetings, battle cries for Zhents, Cyricists, etc. I really need them to color my DnD campaign. Also if you have any swear words typically used by Red Wizards to give me would be nice.



March 25th, 2004 reply. March 26th, 2004 reply. March 28th, 2004 replies. May 14th, 2004 reply. May 17th, 2004 reply. If you need them again, use the index in my sig and do a search/find for curse.

Ed, maybe it's time to supply some more? :) It's been three years. Begs!

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 :  16:14:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Thanks, Kuje.
D-brane, I just asked Ed about your query, and he replied:

On an "average" day, I'll read a daily newspaper, try to finish off any crossword puzzle that's got my wife stumped, and I'll have four new and one "old favourite re-read" on the go, plus a magazine or two. Sometimes (for example, when I'm rushing to a deadline), my reading time will go down, and the on-the-go books will go up in number; once, it rose to fourteen. :}
Right now, I'm doing my taxes, a short story for Wizards and a cat fantasy short story for an anthology, a serial for Game Trade magazine, and a Paths of Doom novel for Castlemourn. Aside from the World Fantasy reading, I'm re-reading Spellbinder (Melanie Rawn) and the latest Dana Stabenow Kate Shugak mystery, and reading Dust (latest Martha Grimes) and an ARC of The 100 Mile Diet by Smith and MacKinnon, which relates their year-long attempt to eat only foodstuffs that traveled less than 100 miles from source to their dinner plates. During the next two weeks, the World Fantasy stuff (which is flooding in) will receive ever-heavier attention (so my meagre reading-now roster will get even slimmer); thereafter, it'll go up again.


So saith Ed. Who will return with more lore replies soon.
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 :  16:19:51  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Iakhovas

Hello Ed,

I've been searching the archives until I got cross-eyed and got a migraine but still didn't find what I was looking for.

I know that you posted somewhere about a number of catch phrases, swear words, greetings, battle cries for Zhents, Cyricists, etc. I really need them to color my DnD campaign. Also if you have any swear words typically used by Red Wizards to give me would be nice.



March 25th, 2004 reply. March 26th, 2004 reply. March 28th, 2004 replies. May 14th, 2004 reply. May 17th, 2004 reply. If you need them again, use the index in my sig and do a search/find for curse.

Ed, maybe it's time to supply some more? :) It's been three years. Begs!

Ed's April 12th 2004 reply will also prove useful... being a selection of temple sayings and religious-related "hard swearing" for the faithful of Tempus.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 :  18:01:13  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Right now, I'm doing my taxes, a short story for Wizards and a cat fantasy short story for an anthology...



A cat story? Ooooh, please tell us what book that will be in whenever possible. I am a cat lover and I want to read that story.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 :  00:54:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes. This time Ed responds to a query from Foxhelm, that evoked some replies from other scribes.
Here’s Foxhelm: “I have a question, but I believe that it's NDA, but I still have to ask it.
Is Storm Silverhand truly barren or is it that Mystra is holding back a miracle birth of a powerful child that could change the Realms if born? Or something like that?
Just curious...”
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin then posted: “Obviously I don't have an answer, but I want to mention that I like the idea of Storm being barren. Storm has often been described as "motherly" towards other people--it says a lot of positive things about her that she can be so motherly when she's never had children (and perhaps partly because she has no children of her own?).
That said, I think she could conceive if Mystra wanted her to, but if she already has a maternal role towards the people in her community, then maybe that in itself is fulfilling for her? Plenty of people in real life are infertile, and having someone like Storm being infertile brings a sense of realism to the Realms that I do like.”
And The Sage then posted: “Seven Sisters tells us that Storm is indeed barren -- confirmed by the fact that she was unable to conceive with Maxam, much like during her other earlier dalliances. Whether Mystra has had any direct hand in this, is likely something Ed knows more about. 'Tis also likely that despite Storm's unique case, Mystra may indeed have the final say on whether she can get with child, just as with the other Chosen. We should remember also, that Mystra alone decides whether any of the offspring her Chosen are indeed "allowed" to cause, will display any aptitude for magic or become Chosen themselves. This particular aspect of Mystra's influence could have special meaning in Storm's case.
And while it is interesting to speculate on whether or not Mystra has a hand in preventing Storm from having children [for fears about some potentially powerful Nate Grey-styled offspring being born] consider, rather, that a child from Khelben and Laeral is a child of TWO Chosen, not one and another human/oid. That is a very unique situation and, as I see it, could potentially lead to some rather eyebrow-raising circumstances.”
To all of this, Ed replies:



Storm wasn’t barren at birth, but was damaged during the adventures of her “teenaged” years (actually, of her teens and twenties). As to the precise nature of what happened to her; well, that’s where the NDA comes in for now, I’m afraid. As of “right now, Realmstime” (and over all the time back to that early calamity, which I will go so far as to term a “violation”) Storm can conceive only with divine aid (Mystra, Azuth) - - not just godly approval, but active godly help.
In the matter of approval, she is “controlled” by Mystra in the same way that all Chosen of Mystra are. This restriction doesn’t bother her in the slightest; she enjoys mothering others, as Rinonalyrna Fathomlin pointed out, and she also enjoys being free to do anything sexually without fear of becoming pregnant. Not that she is any sort of sexual predator; I mean, rather, that it’s one more thing she just doesn’t have to worry about.
She’s perfectly content with things as they are, being as she gets to “mother” scores of Harpers - - in the same way many real-world women get to be a mother to many foster children, regardless of whether or not they have (or can have) any of their own.



So saith Ed. Who would love to tell more tales of Storm Silverhand (AND Mirt, and Durnan, and Narnra, and for that matter Narm and Elminster and Elaith, and . . . ). If he ever gets the chance AND the time, of course.

P.S. To Rinonalyrna Fathomlin: Ed can't tell anyone details about his cat tale yet, but I will be sure to post details here as soon as he can. (All he did let slip was: "Can't! Tasslehoff might pull my beard!")
love to all,
THO

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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 :  01:57:05  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

P.S. To Rinonalyrna Fathomlin: Ed can't tell anyone details about his cat tale yet, but I will be sure to post details here as soon as he can. (All he did let slip was: "Can't! Tasslehoff might pull my beard!")
love to all,
THO
Now, that is interesting... especially when put together with some similarly 'slipped' words about an particular upcoming anthology I was told about last week.

If it's all true, then the results will be fascinating indeed!

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Jamallo Kreen
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There's a typo (transposed letters) in the blurb for Ed's Dark Lord novel. I've e-mailed the publishers about it; they are closed for Eostre weekend. I'm sure they'll correct it next week, so they needn't be bombarded with mail about it.

I sincerely hope that they'll vigorously spellcheck Ed's book. I know that publishing a faultless book is nearly impossible (Oxford once posted a fifty pound reward -- back when fifty quid was a bit o' cash! -- for anyone who could find an error in the proofs of a book which they were publishing. Diligently searched by hundreds of Oxford dons, not a single error was found -- until the first copies arrived from the printer, chock full of typos which everyone could see when the text was in book form, but which they'd missed when they read the proof sheets), but I do get irritated at what one would expect a modern computerized spell-checker to find.

On a more Realmsian note, I pose a query to Ed: have there been any attempts at formalizing orthography in Faerun? Are there "harmless drudges" diligently working on dictionaries to mold a "correct" spelling for words (and not however some {other} broadside printer thinks a word "ought" to be spelled)? If so, who are these noble drudges, and do any of them have a Boswell Bard immortalizing their bon mots?





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createvmind
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Hello All,
Hey Ed, I'm curious as to whether "good" or Lawful councils ever "flip" criminals to serve their purpose, informant , thieves to deter other thieves, etc...? Or would it be easier to just "tag" the villian magically/ mundane means and let him/her lead you back to bad guys?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 :  22:27:27  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


P.S. To Rinonalyrna Fathomlin: Ed can't tell anyone details about his cat tale yet, but I will be sure to post details here as soon as he can. (All he did let slip was: "Can't! Tasslehoff might pull my beard!")
love to all,
THO




OK, I'll just wait patiently for more details in the meantime.

Thank you also for the intriguing details about Storm's fertility--makes me wonder what happened to her so long ago...

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 :  03:11:59  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, well, Ed tells me that's still NDA, I'm afraid. Which of course means either it's too "indelicate" for WotC to ever cover, or Ed still has hopes of telling that tale, somehow and somewhen.
Well met again, all. This time I bring the words of Ed in response to this, from boddynock: “Hello Ed & THO, I just started reading the novel "Elminster in Hell" (I really enjoy reading it) and in that novel is the following sentence:
"He gave Lucifer and Batna the final doom for having that child", Nergal added excitedly. Executing them as Baalzebul, fiercest of Lucifer's foes, watched" ....
My question now goes about the figure Lucifer (and in lesser extend Batna). During their execution it was clear that Lucifer was a prince of hell. But was he always the lesser of Asmodeus or was he the former lord of Baator? In Fiendish Codex 2 they told that Asmodeus was the first and only ruler of hell and Baator was an empty wasteland. In a second edition sourcebook (blood war boxed set) I read about an older race called Baatorians who lived in Baator before Asmodeus came, and if my memory doesn't play tricks with me they told that it was possible that there was an older ruler of hell, before Asmodeus arrival. Thanks for your time.”
Ed replies:



In the Nine Hells (see the original 1st Edition MONSTER MANUAL and my articles in issues 75 and 76 of DRAGON), Baalzebul rules two layers of Hell. Originally, Lucifer ruled one of them, and Batna was his consort. They had a child, Lucifuge, in defiance of the laws decreed by Asmodeus, and he destroyed them both, and their child, for doing so. He then gave Lucifer’s layer to Lucifer’s most hated rival among the archdevils, Baalzebul, as an example to all of the archdevils: defy me in this, and this is what will happen.
This is because the chief threat to the rule of Asmodeus is to shift the balance of power, and the easiest way to do that is to create new archdevils (if archdevils have sex, any resulting children are new archdevils). The archdevils have unique powers, and can only be controlled by other archdevils through coercion / threat or actual physical force, whereas all other devils (greater, lesser, least, and sub- ) can be ruled (transformed; “banished” to the outermost layer; compelled despite their own desires; or “blasted” to nothingness, to reform later as the lowest form of devilish life) at will by any archdevil.
The “outcast devils” that populate the uppermost of the Nine Hells are archdevils not powerful enough to rule a layer; Asmodeus suffers these lesser archdevils (Nergal is one of them) to continue to exist as threats to the archdevils who rule layers of Hell; any one of them can serve as a replacement, or can be aided in an attack on a ruler.
All of this was edited out of my “Hell Revisited” article in DRAGON 91 because these are “Matters Sexual,” and that’s territory TSR did not want to venture into at the time.
In the Realms, Lucifer was always a “prince of Hell” (lesser in power than Asmodeus, who is the supreme administrator / bureaucrat / political dirty-fighter / super-Machiavelli, who has so many contingency plans and preparations up his sleeve that even many archdevils combining against him are doomed to fail [at least, thus far]).
Yes, there was a ruler of the Hells prior to Asmodeus, and there was general agreement among the TSR staff designers and editors of the time (and me, as Realms creator) that we were Never Going To Go There (some people would be offended if we identified that prior ruler as “Satan” or anyone else, or would use our doing so as an excuse to attack D&D).
Because all matters pertaining to Hell have religious meaning to some gamers (and outsiders), we try to tread carefully. There’s a reason to do so, and no reason NOT to (we are, after all, working with a game designed to entertain, not upset).
So in my game articles and sourcebooks I wanted to give a lot of detail about the Nine Hells adventurers might experience “now,” and make a reader of ELMINSTER IN HELL really feel “you are there” in some tiny part of the uppermost plane - - but in both cases only “suggest” the ongoing history of Hell, to make it seem more real.
Most of the other sources you cite (including the name “Baator”) are from later sources, and may or may not pertain to the Nine Hells of the Realms (there was a later split in the cosmologies of the “main” D&D game and the Realms, for reasons I explained to Shemmy - - or tried to, anyway; I may not have done the greatest job - - in another thread here at Candlekeep).
By the way, THO relayed to me some recent discussion about Mystra “making Asmodeus insane” during ELMINSTER IN HELL. Just to clarify: that’s NOT the case. Rather, she managed to cast a powerful magic that acted as a momentary confusion spell, and a long-lasting forget spell, on Asmodeus. (There. That shouldn’t be enough information to really be a spoiler for you, boddynock.)



So saith Ed. Who would rather NOT add “Master Crafter of the Nine Hells” to his resumé (he does have to get through Customs several times a year, after all).
love to all,
THO
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althen artren
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Hello All

Eleminster in Myth Drannor
paperback pp337

"A lifequench spell is a potent thing, Starym, but no antimagic shell, however stregnthened, can prevail against a spell shear."

What is a spell shear???
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

OK, I'll just wait patiently for more details in the meantime.

Thank you also for the intriguing details about Storm's fertility--makes me wonder what happened to her so long ago...



Well, there are bits and pieces of Storm's history. We know that she was a slave for awhile (I.E. years) and, if I recall right, she still bears the marks from being a slave. I.E whip marks and other scars. I'm assuming, maybe incorrectly, that she might be barren from her time as a slave.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

OK, I'll just wait patiently for more details in the meantime.

Thank you also for the intriguing details about Storm's fertility--makes me wonder what happened to her so long ago...



Well, there are bits and pieces of Storm's history. We know that she was a slave for awhile (I.E. years) and, if I recall right, she still bears the marks from being a slave. I.E whip marks and other scars. I'm assuming, maybe incorrectly, that she might be barren from her time as a slave.

'Tis an intriguing thought... one that's often mirrored my own thinking on the subject of what caused Storm to become 'barren'. Though, there's still a great deal of "untold history" in Storm's long-ago background. It's entirely possible that her current 'barren' status was the result of injuries she received at another earlier time (during her "teenaged" years as Ed noted previously).

My own thoughts on the subject suggest that Storm perhaps received her injuries during the time whispers about her 'unnatural longevity' started making the rounds. Fear of the unknown may have inadvertedly caused the villagers of one particular locale she was visiting at the time, during her early adventures, to strike out in a perverse form of 'mob justice'. We may not know the events leading up to this, though history has proven that local superstitution and ill-conceived rumors are sometimes enough to motivate the fears of common folk and incite violent reactions to 'unnatural beings.'

For all we know... one dark night, a number of angry lasses in a small locale somewhere in the Heartlands, after having grown increasingly frustrated with their men folk swooning and doting over this "wandering minstrel with the flowing silver hair", concocted a sinister form of revenge centred on the rumors they'd heard about Storm's longevity. Seven Sisters tells us that Storm is usually sensitive enough to be aware of "even the most suppressed reactions" from people around her, though that may not always have been the case. She may have been caught somewhat unaware and was then attacked. In fact, her greater sensitivity may have been initially born from the tragic circumstances of the fear-induced attack I mentioned above.

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I am, for some reason, wanting to think that Storm being barren has something to do with some seriously evil dude -- possibly even someone from the Lower Planes, or with a heritage from that area.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I am, for some reason, wanting to think that Storm being barren has something to do with some seriously evil dude -- possibly even someone from the Lower Planes, or with a heritage from that area.



Gonna go with Xvim as the villan here in my guess. Just a "gut" feeling.

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Asgetrion
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MISbehave, Asgetrion?
For Lady Heralds, this is the way we're SUPPOSED to behave! (Just for you, I'm typing this post fetchingly clad in the cords with which I tied myself into the chair. )



*cough* My deepest apologies, Most High Lady Herald! 'Tis just that Alaundo has kept me locked in the cellars of the Keep for so many years that I hardly remember how Heralds should act or... *ahem*... dress! *Asgetrion glances nervously around, waiting to be whacked with the Staff of the Irritated Moderator*

Anyhow, I trust that all Heralds have enough skill ranks or profiency in Use Rope and Escape Artist, so that you have succesfully freed thyself from those binding cords...

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Zandilar
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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
For all we know... one dark night, a number of angry lasses in a small locale somewhere in the Heartlands, after having grown increasingly frustrated with their men folk swooning and doting over this "wandering minstrel with the flowing silver hair", concocted a sinister form of revenge centred on the rumors they'd heard about Storm's longevity. Seven Sisters tells us that Storm is usually sensitive enough to be aware of "even the most suppressed reactions" from people around her, though that may not always have been the case. She may have been caught somewhat unaware and was then attacked. In fact, her greater sensitivity may have been initially born from the tragic circumstances of the fear-induced attack I mentioned above.



If it's longevity they noticed, Storm would have had to have settled in one place/region for long enough for the locals to have noticed. In her younger years, I doubt Storm would have done that.

Most young women have other kinds of reactions - sadly, anorexia and bullemia are rather common in this day and age. Most young women tend to spread rumours rather than physically attack someone (there are exceptions) - they would be far more likely to incite the menfolk to get up in arms.

In any event, if it was just townsfolk - there are a few very low level spells that would have helped her deal with them. (ie: Sleep and Charm Person) Especially since I doubt they'd have taken her by surprise, mobs aren't exactly quiet, after all... If it was going to be viable at all, the town would have had to have hired adventurers to take care of her, and since we're assuming they didn't like Storm's "strangeness", they probably wouldn't have liked the "strangeness" of adventurers any better. Townsfolk might succeed in running her out of town, but not in doing her any serious injury, IMHO.

Of course it would depend on just how young Storm was at the time, and what she was doing, and what powers she had available to her. In any event, I'm with Kuje in that I think it most likely happened during her slave years.

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The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Originally posted by Zandilar

If it's longevity they noticed, Storm would have had to have settled in one place/region for long enough for the locals to have noticed. In her younger years, I doubt Storm would have done that.
Well, it's obvious people did begin to notice, since it's referenced in Seven Sisters. So that does suggest that Storm, from time to time, settled in several locales long enough for people to begin to wonder about her longevity and youth over time.

Besides, it's entirely possible that these whispers simply passed through a selection of neighbouring settlements via word-of-mouth [travelling bards and/or merchants] -- sometimes before Storm would even venture to a particular locale. These whispers would be already established by the time Storm arrived at her new destination.

'Tis also possible that the common folk grew weary of Storm's appearance and youth after she'd made repeated visits to her favorite places a number of times over many years. If she's visiting one town, and making friends, then returning to that locale maybe five to ten years later, the friends she'd made during her earlier visit are bound to start wondering just how this "lovely lass with the flowing silver hair" looks exactly like see did the last time she visited.

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In any event, if it was just townsfolk - there are a few very low level spells that would have helped her deal with them. (ie: Sleep and Charm Person) Especially since I doubt they'd have taken her by surprise, mobs aren't exactly quiet, after all... If it was going to be viable at all, the town would have had to have hired adventurers to take care of her, and since we're assuming they didn't like Storm's "strangeness", they probably wouldn't have liked the "strangeness" of adventurers any better. Townsfolk might succeed in running her out of town, but not in doing her any serious injury, IMHO.

Of course it would depend on just how young Storm was at the time, and what she was doing, and what powers she had available to her. In any event, I'm with Kuje in that I think it most likely happened during her slave years.
This is assuming, of course, that Storm possessed the same level of mastery with her special abilities that she displays later in life.

Her "teenaged years" adventures, as Ed has hinted at both here and in official sources, seem full of youthful inexperiences and mostly about Storm learning her place in the world. If that's the case, then the situation I described earlier, may have been something she very likely would've found herself in at one time or another. She's young, inexperienced, and largely uncertain about the ways of the world around her -- the teenage Storm, I think, would've found herself in the occasional 'delicate' situation when leaving the many 'warm beds' of "lowly cottages" and "lord's towers."

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Storm wasn’t barren at birth, but was damaged during the adventures of her “teenaged” years (actually, of her teens and twenties). As to the precise nature of what happened to her; well, that’s where the NDA comes in for now, I’m afraid. As of “right now, Realmstime” (and over all the time back to that early calamity, which I will go so far as to term a “violation”)



Hello-

I have added the bold myself, in addition to snip-snipping parts of the post. :)

It seems Ed has stated that it happened in her 'teens & twenties' - referencing this as her "teenaged" years - with the quotes. I take this to mean that she was much like a teenager during the time. Further, he goes so far to term the incident a "violation". I tend to think of this as meaning rape, however with the quotations - it could be something less straightforward. Perhaps some evil mage got wind of her longevity (from these previous rumors and such that may travel even before her from place to place - and is quite obviously referring to the lass with the silver hair) and decided to capture her and experiment on her in order to try and harness this longevity for him-(or her!)self.

Or perhaps she was 'impregnated' by some vile creature or again a mage of dis-repute, who was attempting to create some sort of servitor creature or minion with longevity (or any other power she might be thought to pass on) for thier own use. Perhaps in this case - in some ways - she Has given birth - but was ruined to further births in the process.

In any case - just pure speculation.

I apologise for continuiing this discussion in this thread - we should ask questions here rather than debate. :)

I will add a quick and simple question in an attempt to add to Ed's pile in a way that will be easy to deal with. :)

Where in the general common landmass between the Sea of Fallen Stars and the Sword Coast would be the most remote location - the place where Humans, Elves, Dwarves, etc have never - or most infrequently tread. :)

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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
This is assuming, of course, that Storm possessed the same level of mastery with her special abilities that she displays later in life.



I'm not going to respond to everything, but I do want to point out that Sleep or Charm Person require either 1 level of Sorcerer, 1 level of Wizard, or 1 level of Bard. Going by a bog standard human, the minimum age for being able to cast them would be 16 for Bard and Sorcerer, and 17 for Wizard. I wasn't thinking she'd be using her full Chosen powers, just that by the time she was having adventures, she would have had some kind of magical aptitude. (We know that Storm must have had some magical ability fairly early - there is a short story (it was in the Best of Ed anthology, IIRC), for example, involving Storm, Dove, and Laeral while they were still very young, still with Elminster - and they all had some magical aptitude then, even Dove.)

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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 :  14:54:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. This time Ed responds to WalkerNinja, re. this: “Ed, I've got a party of 6 characters. They found 6 rather simple crowns buried in the tombs of orcish kings at Xul Jarak (the Sons of Gruumsh Module). So far, they rather enjoy wearing them, and found it fortuitous that they had 6 members and 6 crowns (maybe it’s fate!) Honestly, I think it’s pretty cool.
I've got three questions about crowns and crown wearing.
What would ceremonial burial crowns of the ancient orcish Thar dynasty look like? (each crown is valued at 200gp in the module, but is otherwise undescribed).
These adventurers will be headed to Cormyr soon. Are there any laws against the wearing of crowns by non-royal/noble persons in Cormyr?
These companions have a badge, but no sanctioned heraldric device. Would the heralds have issues with crown wearing by non-royal/noble persons?”
Ed replies:



Great questions! Okay, in order: orc crowns of Thar would look like this: a broad (3 inches “high”) head band of beaten gold (as a coating on a much harder metal), with the front having three “teeth” (flat-topped protrusions, like the crenelations of a castle battlements), the central tooth being taller and wider than the other two. So: heavy, not ornate or finely-worked, very visible, and sturdy. No gems, no engraving, no words or symbols etched anywhere. Good gold, but only a thin layer, hence the low value.
There are no laws in Cormyr prohibiting anyone wearing crowns (or the coronets of nobles, or the circlets of young princes or princesses) EXCEPT for wearing such a symbol OF CORMYR, if you’re not entitled to it.
In other words, a pretender or bastard offspring putting on a state crown of Cormyr (even an old crown that’s been long lost, or one taken from a tomb or Palace effigy) is committing an act of treason (penalty to be determined by the reigning monarch, or failing that, any living legitimate Obarskyr or member of a succeeding royal family, or failing that the Royal Magician, or failing that a Council of most senior nobles [[all Dukes, to begin with]]).
So anyone else, who shows up wearing any sort of crown that isn’t a crown of Cormyr, is okay (though they may earn some hard looks until onlookers, Purple Dragons, War Wizards, and Heralds are certain it isn’t a crown of Cormyr). In this case, they’ll be fine: at a glance, the crowns of Thar are far too “heavy and crude” in appearance to be mistaken for anything of Cormyr.
The Heralds will only be troubled by non-royal/noble persons wearing crowns they’re not entitled to; if adventures show up wearing crowns that are either of unknown origin (which is what those crowns of Thar will be to all local and Crown heralds; only High Heralds will be able to readily identify them, without asking where they came from), or that are theirs by known right of conquest or discovery (in other words, if said wearers are known to have slain King X of Y, and are now wearing the regal crown of Y), they will be assumed to be “all right” by all Heralds unless accusations are made otherwise. So if a local herald asks one of the adventurers where the crown came from, and figured out from the reply that it is of an extinct line of rulership in Thar, that’s fine; it’s not the lawful regalia of any current ruling house of Thar, and so can be worn as a trophy in the same way that some orcs affix the skulls or heads of foes to their shields or helms or shoulderplates of armour as “look who I felled!” adornments. Perhaps not in the best of taste, but not illegal.
The crown-adorned adventurers may well catch the eyes of a lot of ladies (and young men searching for heroes to look up to). Not to mention more than a few thieves. :}



So saith Ed. Who’s given us all a vivid mental picture (and the obvious adventure hooks) at the end, there. Good points to have cleared up, Cormyr fans!
love to all,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Heya,

I'm not going to respond to everything, but I do want to point out that Sleep or Charm Person require either 1 level of Sorcerer, 1 level of Wizard, or 1 level of Bard. Going by a bog standard human, the minimum age for being able to cast them would be 16 for Bard and Sorcerer, and 17 for Wizard. I wasn't thinking she'd be using her full Chosen powers, just that by the time she was having adventures, she would have had some kind of magical aptitude. (We know that Storm must have had some magical ability fairly early - there is a short story (it was in the Best of Ed anthology, IIRC), for example, involving Storm, Dove, and Laeral while they were still very young, still with Elminster - and they all had some magical aptitude then, even Dove.)
Well, I'm not all that up on stats and such, but I do believe experience still counts for a great deal when using such abilities -- especially at such a young age. And, again, I'll note that Ed has said in the past that the 'young' Storm was considered the "wildest of the sisters", which does tell us a little about why Elminster often found it difficult to 'tame' her. That suggests youthful inexperience and, perhaps, that she was maybe a little tempted to experiment, unsupervised, with the powers at her command. And that's likely to have caused some problems at some time... especially since Storm had a tendancy to often run away.

For me, that's an convenient set-up for a youthful and inexperienced Storm to quickly find herself in a deadly situation which she can neither fully control or properly respond to.

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Hello again, all. A few quick responses this time.
First: createvmind: You’re very welcome. Keep the questions coming.
Second: Kuje, Ed agrees that it’s been far too long since he last shared with Candlekeep scribes a new selection of Realms curse words, specific to region or race or deity. Begging duly noted. He WILL get to it.
Third: to AlorinDawn, re. this: “I have another question about DMing the Realms. Having the same characters play on and off in our current campaign since '91 has required the replacement of a number of heads of state due to assassination, death by natural causes, etc., the rearranging and extinction of some power groups and a decent number of human NPCs who are now visibly aging or downright old who were spry and young when first introduced. I have several file folders and plastic boxes of info saved. How the hell do you keep track of it all???”
Ed replies:



Increasingly, as my aging brain overflows (it reached “full” some years back), I can’t keep track of it all. I simply can’t.
I certainly wanted to, but I find Realmslore created by other folks than me in recent years just isn’t “sticking” in memory. I have to go back and check it again and again, and often consult with the Lore Lords of the Realms (Steven Schend, Eric Boyd, George Krashos, Brian Cortijo, and several others) to make sure I haven’t missed passing mentions or simply forgotten licensed product content (such as the various computer games).
When play in the Realms began, I used to write out salient points of all play sessions in longhand in an endless series of examination books (my father taught in a university, and “blank” examination books had to be rounded up and destroyed, except that like anyone who grew up fatherless in the lean Second World War years in rural Ontario, he held the view that one NEVER throws away unused paper [or string, or . . .]). All PC names I wrote in block caps for ease of finding them at a glance, and typical notes would run something like this:
“[Realmsdate]: FLORIN, ISLIF, and JHESSAIL went to the Old Skull to dine and meet incoming caravan for news. TORM to Lharessa’s for some paying fun, observed known Zhent agent (tall man with scarred ear, pale yellow eyes) departing through back door; did not pursue. FLORIN thought one caravan merchant might be THE SIMBUL in disguise, but “he” smilingly evaded questions. F, I, J left the inn late, and when walking to the Twisted Tower across meadow were attacked by six (?) black-clad men who gated in, and had sleep-venomed daggers. Slew four, but bodies “winked” out. Two fled through gates, JHESSAIL reduced to 4 hp and “slept,” brought to Old Skull for healing.”
(et cetera): these notes mentioned all magic items gained, lost, and used up, all PC and important NPC deaths, quotable quotes by PCs and others, NPC capsule descriptions (“red eyes, limps, untidy”) in the margins.
Now, when my recall is gone, I can re-read the notes and often be jogged into remembering whose house we were playing at, the weather, what we ate, strange things worn (or taken off!), and even jokes. And yes, I had to scribble darned fast.
Often, when THO sends me a question, my brain instantly tells me, “Oh, yes, you’ve covered that, in print [and it’ll tell me in DRAGON or in a TSR/Wizards product] or on the Wizards website, or in the home campaign.” And then my brain stops, and smiles at me, and I growl, “When and where?”
. . . And answer comes there none.
So I have to sit down and start LOOKING, growling ever more heartily. Yes, things would work better with a searchable electronic index. I have pdfs of most older Realms products that I can search (individual product by individual product) for occurrences of specific words or names, but that’s it. And I have less than no time to generate such a thing - - when there are always deadlines looming and money to be made (writing is how I feed myself, remember) and NEW Realmslore to proffer to Realms fans.
And that (big cheesy grin) is how I “keep track of it all.”
(However, certain longtime GenCon attendees will remember a night at the Safe House when a waitress who was also a devoted Realms fan stopped by my table, yanked her top up to bare her upperworks, and asked, “Remember these, Ed?” . . . And I did. After eight years, with her name and birthday and favourite character, which I obediently drew where she asked me to. Of course, she’s probably washed it off by now.)



So saith Ed. Who can relate dozens of such stories. Some of them involving me.
love to all,
THO
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Woop on the curse words. :)

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