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Hawkfeather
Seeker

Brazil
49 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  12:57:59  Show Profile  Visit Hawkfeather's Homepage Send Hawkfeather a Private Message
Hello Ed! In the next couple of weeks I'm going to start a new campaing located in the Vast. In the PGtF's errata is described a new shield dwarf region called Underdark (Earthroot). The brief description says: "deep beneath the Earthspur Montains lies the remnants of the shield dwarf kingdom called Earthfast."

Could you please give us a more accurate and deep description of this dwarf realm? It's history, society, rulers, cities, enemies, allies; anything you could share will be of great value. One of my players wants to play a dwarf from Earthfast and he wants to know more about it.

Thanks in advance!!!
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Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  13:05:19  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message
You might want to check out Ed's Dwarves Deep book from the 2ed. Hawkfeather; it is still the main source of dwarven lore and it has a section on Earthfast.

Edited by - Jorkens on 29 Mar 2007 13:08:45
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Hawkfeather
Seeker

Brazil
49 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  14:40:58  Show Profile  Visit Hawkfeather's Homepage Send Hawkfeather a Private Message
Thanks for the information, Jorkens. I will try get my hands on this book, but here in Brazil it will be very difficult to find a copy.

Edited by - Hawkfeather on 29 Mar 2007 14:45:24
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  14:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

Ed, it's just been brought to my attention (via browsing other forums) that you finally answered my question regarding male clerics of Eilistraee.

I had kind of lost hope of ever seeing a reply, my wanderings had taken me away from this forum to other places... It's funny how the world turns. I went to the WotC forums to ask for suggestions about how Spellscales (from Races of the Dragon - sort of like draconic equivelants to tieflings and aasimar) would fit into the Forgotten Realms, and spotted several threads about Eilistraee. One of those linked to an Eilistraee specific forum, upon which I found your replies relayed there by a poster... Which lead me to here to give you my heartfelt thanks!

Thank you! It was quite a fascinating reply.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

Edited by - Zandilar on 29 Mar 2007 14:46:15
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  15:27:24  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. This time Ed answers AlorinDawn, re. this: “Ed, I have a question about what locales the following creatures (from Dragon #89 Creature Catalog) can be found in the Realms in their greatest numbers: Bohun Tree, Calygraunt, Cantobele, and the Flailtail. I'm just trying to get an idea of where you placed these creatures in your home campaign, if you have used them, and a few places you envision their larger populations living.
THO, If you can, please tell us of any encounters you Knights had with these creatures if it doesn't fall in the dreaded NDA territory.
Thanks” and this, too: “Ed & THO, Yet another question for the stacks about Ed's creatures from Dragon #89's Creature Catalog article. Can you tell us about the Sind populations in the Realms and where they are found? Can you provide any additional information on Sindar? I vaguely remember yyyyyyears ago finding out the hard way about the Sind's imprisonment ability. Thanks”
Ed replies:



None of these beasties are particularly numerous in the “known” Realms (that is, the continental areas described and detailed in published products thus far) any longer. Many of them are flourishing far better on offshore islands than they are anywhere on the mainland, and some of them (the Bohun Tree in particular) seem to be evolving in their outward forms.
Here you go; a roster of the “locales in which most numerous,” as requested:
Bohun Tree: Sharawood, Shaarwood (in the Heartlands: a few in the wooded, lower north slopes of the mountains bordering Amn on the north)
Calygraunt: Chondalwood (in the Heartlands: the western High Forest)
Cantobele: Bandit Kingdoms (in the Heartlands: mountain foothills around Tunland)
Flailtail: Vast Swamp, Marsh of Chelimber
Sind: Lhespenbog
Sindar communities tend to be tiny and well-hidden, existing in many swamplands and keeping to themselves. They retreat when possible rather than fighting foes, but almost always arrange alarm systems (intruding creature trips or upsets something that makes a loud noise, often a falling box full of salvaged scrap metal, such as rusting armor gleaned from intruders) and even wounding traps (sharpened stake pits under water, along trails or in likely “crossing areas.” Sindar are more numerous in warmer, more southerly swampy areas, such as those found in Veldorn and Luiren (note that most small swamplands don’t appear on the published maps). Sind in general want to be left alone, aren’t interested in travel or trade with and in the wider Realms, and so aren’t very “deployable” in adventures.



So saith Ed. We Knights have encountered all of these critters, but only the Sind and Flailtails more than once. We learned how to respectfully treat the Sind (ranger and druid among us, remember) and so don’t encounter any problems with them; flailtails have proven to be recurring pests that Torm always complains loudly about (getting muddy and wet AGAIN, and they’re not even good eating) as Ed gleefully makes sure he gets whapped good and solidly by those pesky tails. Nothing really memorable to share, AlorinDawn; sorry. The adventures worth relating tend to be encounters where we have to negotiate, or tackle a mystery, and so on.
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  15:39:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Zandilar! Glad you got Ed's reply; he COULDN'T reply to you earlier than he did, because of NDAs and internal design decisions at WotC that were still "slowly being made" (one of the real curses of this "answering things" gig I got him into, here; sometimes he knows he can't tackle a topic until something he's not allowed to talk about has happened - - and sometimes even revealing that this sort of delay exists is itself "Revealing Too Much"). Welcome back, please keep "looking in" on this thread from time to time, and let this be a reminder to all scribes that Ed will get to all questions eventually, if he doesn't die or events in the publishing line don't make the queries obsolete before he gets there. Promise.
love,
THO
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe

USA
312 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  21:07:02  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
Ed & THO,

Thanks so much for the great reply on the "beasties" I inquired about. This time I pose a little more complex of a question. Having DMed on and off in the Realms for the last 20 years and detailing quite a bit of the Realms I still find it challenging at times to make location A seem much different than location B. Can you lend any tips to a fellow DM to help in these regards such as what basics you use to differentiate places and folks from the next.

Ed... I will attempt to pick your brain on Realms lore aplenty at Pentacon if you have the time to answer a few questions. Looking forward to meeting you.

Currently reading: Eyes of The Dragon by Stephen King

Long live Sniffy Wigglebottom

Edited by - AlorinDawn on 29 Mar 2007 21:08:22
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  01:24:43  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, everybody. This time Ed responds to this recent post from MaxKaladin: “I thank Ed profusely. I note that the answer implies that many governments issue charters. I'd previously been under the impression that this was not a typical practice, but one confined to fairly powerful and centralized states like Cormyr.”
Ed replies:



You’re welcome. And you’re right, too: charters were until recently issued by only a relatively few places (including Cormyr, some duchies of Tethyr, Impiltur, and some of the cities of Chessenta). The general attitude of other places was anger at the issuance of such instruments, as they were viewed as one government meddling in the affairs of another land by conferring some sort of legitimacy on “lawless brigands” who might stray far afield and try to use the charter as a justification for their adventuring behavior in those “other places.”
Gradually, however (aided and abetted by the Heralds), more and more rulers have come to see the usefulness of such charters as controls upon the behavior of otherwise unpoliced (as in, beyond the resources of the local state to follow and try to control) adventurers, and in the last decade we have seen two trends: many independent cities and hitherto disinterested countries (such as Sembia) start to issue their own charters, and lands begin to formally accept as valid the charters issued by certain other “friendly” lands. This hasn’t much made it into print, for two reasons: space has increasingly been at a premium in published products, and so has been filled with more directly adventure-relevant (or longterm-campaign-useful locale details); and various designers have wanted to keep things as vague as possible so as to give individual DMs the maximum freedom to shape politics in their own Realms campaigns without potential disagreements with players who may buy and read the published products and feel “cheated” by a DM who changed something from “canon lore.”
Wars could of course change the situation overnight; the rise of an orc horde or border skirmish or something like the Tuigan Crusade could mean a charter cheerfully accepted today will be seen as worthless tomorrow.
As always, have fun. :}



So saith Ed, adding another little stone to the Great Wall that is the Realms.
To AlorinDawn: great latest question! Ed will get to it soon, as he thinks it's a very useful one to answer for a lot of DMs. And he's looking forward to talking with you at Pentacon. He doesn't mind devoting a lot of time to talking Realms with anyone, because, in his words, "Hey, along with shopping, gaming, and eating too much, that's what cons are FOR."
love to all,
THO
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The Red Walker
Great Reader

USA
3524 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  03:17:16  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
What does Ed do for fun when he is not reading???

His writing just seem so fun and uninhibited that it seems he must be influenced by "outside" forces!!!


A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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althen artren
Senior Scribe

USA
778 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  05:10:34  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Originally posted by THO and ED:
I would love to read your novel-in-progress, BUT: I have seventeen major projects of my own to do before the end of 2007, about twice that many little ones, probably about a dozen new, not-yet-released books to read and blurb (write those little quotations on the covers that say things like “Best book I read this morning!”) and there’s this little matter of World Fantasy judging, which could very well mean I have to read about 5,000 (yes, five thousand!) fantasy poems, short stories, scripts, novellas, novels, etc. between now and late October.
SWEET AO! TRAPPED TO THE PITS OF THE ABYSS.!!!
I almost feel guilty asking more questions knowing all that workload.... almost.
Hey does anybody know if there is a question limit per post? I don't
want to breach any protocols here.

Hello ED. I kind of expected running into a lot of NDA's with my questions, no problem. So I came up with more ?'s

Is there any more charater history you can share on Abarat the Alabaster?

In FOMD, it seems that some fluff was edited out about the destruction of the mythral in the Yuirwood because it doesn't show in the battle record or in the beginning chapters. What do you remember?

Illitran Starym made a deal with Moander so he could pull his family's moonblade without getting killed. In my version of the
realms I have Moander ridding piggyback in Illitran's mind and then
taking up residence in the moonblade, using its magic to keep him alive and shielding him from danger.
At the time of the Claiming, would Moander have been strong enough to survive a situation like this?
Would Corellon be "aware" of any alteration of a working of High Magic like this, and would he have reacted?
Would mortal magic or elven high magics be able to detect him in the moonblade if he is trying like hell to hide?

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althen artren
Senior Scribe

USA
778 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  05:17:56  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Part 2 of said list of questions.

Have you ever given out a description of your Netheril? I have read
on the boards that your version was different, but haven't really
seen anthing on how different.

A mechanics question on mythallars. Are they a weave "accelerator" taking the local weave and making it stronger? Are they a displacement device and stealing the weave from somewhere else? OR might they be powered by Faerzress (which would explain in my minde the destruction of the phaerimm homeland in the Underdark.) Or is all this still classified?

Do you have any more Uvaeren Library storage methods you could share with us?

Would Belluth's be crafted in the same way as rings or wands or could they considered to get their own creation feat in 3ed?
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe

USA
509 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  05:25:07  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message
Dear Master Ed and Lady THO,

I'd like to ask of Ed a different sort of query. I apologize if it's out of bounds (hopefully not.) On Wikipedia and other sites I see some really stunning photos of natural landscapes of our real world and I wonder where in the Realms I may encounter a similar place. If I may present a single picture and ask where it reminds Ed and THO of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sugarloaf.JPG

Edited by - RodOdom on 30 Mar 2007 05:29:39
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
1792 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  06:11:33  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message
Wow!! good catch Rod! I can almost see that Twisted Tower down there... a bit to the left...
(I'm sure Ed saw it too... ok... I admit... I wanted to beat him to the punch! )
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe

USA
509 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  06:55:12  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message
Thanks ! (Fingers crossed that his ISP connection can handle images.)
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 30 Mar 2007 :  09:51:15  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, Zandilar! Glad you got Ed's reply; he COULDN'T reply to you earlier than he did, because of NDAs and internal design decisions at WotC that were still "slowly being made" (one of the real curses of this "answering things" gig I got him into, here; sometimes he knows he can't tackle a topic until something he's not allowed to talk about has happened - - and sometimes even revealing that this sort of delay exists is itself "Revealing Too Much"). Welcome back, please keep "looking in" on this thread from time to time, and let this be a reminder to all scribes that Ed will get to all questions eventually, if he doesn't die or events in the publishing line don't make the queries obsolete before he gets there. Promise.



Oh I know he's a busy boy, and I know there's problems with NDAs and the like. It is just that I'm too chaotic for my own good, and am prone to wandering into and out of fandoms as my whim takes me... Which meant that unless I was very lucky (and I was, thank Tymora! ), I would have missed the answer completely! So I'm back for a while (this time I actually subscribed to the topic, so I'll get nagged when there are new posts - that might make me stick around longer)...

Anyway, now I've had a chance to chew over some things, there really was only one thing that I'd like to hear Ed's reasoning for from the second post on the topic of Eilistraeeans on November 6th 2006...

Ed said:
quote:
There is no Eilistreean prohibition on marriage (or sex) among either lay worshippers or clergy, and never has been. There are many female drow clerics who prefer to remain single, either because a lesbian or other facet of their personalities makes them most comfortable being partner-less (as opposed to having a steady partner of either gender), or because they see married life as a distraction (or time-stealer) from their whole-hearted devotion to the Goddess.


I ask:

Wouldn't a lesbian tendnacy mean the priestess concerned would seek out the company/companionship/love of another female rather than remain celibate? Or are you saying that Eilistraee doesn't approve of lesbianism? Given how permissive the Realms are (and the parenthetical comment regarding steady partners), I'd say the latter isn't true... but I'm curious as to why you'd attribute the desire to remain celibate to a lesbian tendancy? (I'm a lesbian myself, and I know it doesn't make me want to be celibate! )

Thank you (both) again!

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

Edited by - Zandilar on 30 Mar 2007 09:52:39
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  01:05:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. This time Ed responds to Jamallo Kreen, re. a post that made reference to a DUNGEON #88 article “about a broken Netherese portal system,” as follows: “Ed, reading that article thoroughly prompts a significant question (for my campaign, anyway): the article gives the laws and rules for mid-1372, but in 1360, when Azoun called his Crusade, did wizards who were enrolled in mercenary companies or who were passing through on their way to join the Sembian or Hillsfar forces have to register themselves? If so, who would have been the registrar, Vangey being somewhat busy at the time?”
Ed replies:



No, neither wizards nor any other participant in the armies gathering to fight in the Crusade had to register with anyone. The Wizards of War were indeed very busy, because they “kept tabs on” everyone moving around or through Cormyr, with an eye to three things: preventing brigandry; preventing traitor nobles from assembling private armies or strike forces in all the confusion, to work mischief then or later; and training young lads and lasses and retraining greybeards (as new militia reinforcements who would have to help defend and patrol the kingdom once the bulk of the Purple Dragons had marched off on the Crusade) in HOW to stand sentinel, report suspicious things and movements of specific persons and wagons to superiors, how to “tail” and spy on folk without being seen, and so on.
As it happened, it was a great training exercise, and resulted in a lot of “common citizens” becoming far more intimately familiar with the topography of the wilder stretches of their nearby surroundings than they would otherwise ever have become (so people needing to hide; or tryst with others; or conceal stolen goods, bodies, or other things; or “drop” items and messages for others, all acquired valuable information to aid them in doing so - - as did some would-be poachers, who learned where certain trails went because they finally had a legitimate excuse to walk down them, and so on). All in all, a good (though tense) time was had by all.



So saith Ed. THE Master of Realmslore, as always.
love to all,
THO
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Kentinal
Great Reader

4277 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  02:54:15  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar


Wouldn't a lesbian tendnacy mean the priestess concerned would seek out the company/companionship/love of another female rather than remain celibate?



I think I can offer a simple reply that THO and ED would agree with.

There is no indication of Lesbian tendency, the Dark Maiden has no restriction or slant to personal choices, some will like males, some will like females, some will choose to be celebate to more concentrate of service to Eilistraee. It struct me as simple as that.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon

Edited by - Kentinal on 31 Mar 2007 02:55:23
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  10:50:26  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
I think I can offer a simple reply that THO and ED would agree with.

There is no indication of Lesbian tendency, the Dark Maiden has no restriction or slant to personal choices, some will like males, some will like females, some will choose to be celebate to more concentrate of service to Eilistraee. It struct me as simple as that.



Okay, I'm not sure you saw what I saw... Here's Ed's quote again, with bolding and underlining to clarify where the confusion lies...

quote:
There is no Eilistreean prohibition on marriage (or sex) among either lay worshippers or clergy, and never has been. There are many female drow clerics who prefer to remain single, either because a lesbian or other facet of their personalities makes them most comfortable being partner-less (as opposed to having a steady partner of either gender), or because they see married life as a distraction (or time-stealer) from their whole-hearted devotion to the Goddess.


See what I'm addressing now?

The sentance literally says that many priestesses remain single because a lesbian (or other) facet of their personality makes them most comfortable being partnerless.

Knowing what I know of sexuality in the Realms (I'm probably best known here for my questions about it, I should say! ), this sentance is very out of place. I was merely looking for clarification on the wording.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  18:42:02  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. This time Ed responds to Jamallo Kreen, re. a post that made reference to a DUNGEON #88 article

(snip)

Ed replies:



No, neither wizards nor any other participant in the armies gathering to fight in the Crusade had to register with anyone. The Wizards of War were indeed very busy, because they “kept tabs on” everyone moving around or through Cormyr, with an eye to three things: preventing brigandry; preventing traitor nobles from assembling private armies or strike forces in all the confusion, to work mischief then or later; and training young lads and lasses and retraining greybeards (as new militia reinforcements who would have to help defend and patrol the kingdom once the bulk of the Purple Dragons had marched off on the Crusade) in HOW to stand sentinel, report suspicious things and movements of specific persons and wagons to superiors, how to “tail” and spy on folk without being seen, and so on.
As it happened, it was a great training exercise, and resulted in a lot of “common citizens” becoming far more intimately familiar with the topography of the wilder stretches of their nearby surroundings than they would otherwise ever have become (so people needing to hide; or tryst with others; or conceal stolen goods, bodies, or other things; or “drop” items and messages for others, all acquired valuable information to aid them in doing so - - as did some would-be poachers, who learned where certain trails went because they finally had a legitimate excuse to walk down them, and so on). All in all, a good (though tense) time was had by all.


So saith Ed. THE Master of Realmslore, as always.
love to all,
THO




Thank you for the timely answer, Ed, which, OF COURSE (!) prompts another question: was there a "baby boom" in Cormyr nine months after the Crusaders left?



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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  19:23:41  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Quoth Ed (after a roar of laughter):



Why, YES.
And an even larger one, a little later, nine months after the victorious surviving Cormyrean Crusaders returned home.



(No comment needed, I believe.)
love,
THO
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2007 :  20:00:38  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Quoth Ed (after a roar of laughter):



Why, YES.
And an even larger one, a little later, nine months after the victorious surviving Cormyrean Crusaders returned home.



(No comment needed, I believe.)
love,
THO




I have a mouth, but I am in a library and must not scream.


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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 01 Apr 2007 :  01:11:05  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes. This time Ed continues to tackle recent queries (don’t worry, he hasn’t forgotten that there are 2004 questions not yet answered, and he has them all, believe me), and this time responds to Zandilar’s question: “Anyway, now I've had a chance to chew over some things, there really was only one thing that I'd like to hear Ed's reasoning for from the second post on the topic of Eilistraeeans on November 6th 2006...
Ed said: [[There is no Eilistreean prohibition on marriage (or sex) among either lay worshippers or clergy, and never has been. There are many female drow clerics who prefer to remain single, either because a lesbian or other facet of their personalities makes them most comfortable being partner-less (as opposed to having a steady partner of either gender), or because they see married life as a distraction (or time-stealer) from their whole-hearted devotion to the Goddess.]]
I ask:
Wouldn't a lesbian tendency mean the priestess concerned would seek out the company/companionship/love of another female rather than remain celibate? Or are you saying that Eilistraee doesn't approve of lesbianism? Given how permissive the Realms are (and the parenthetical comment regarding steady partners), I'd say the latter isn't true... but I'm curious as to why you'd attribute the desire to remain celibate to a lesbian tendancy? (I'm a lesbian myself, and I know it doesn't make me want to be celibate! )
Thank you (both) again!”
Ed replies:



Hi, Zandilar. No, I wasn’t saying anything at all about being celibate. Reading the Eilitraee worship scene I slipped into SILVERFALL, even in the toned-down state that saw print, should suggest very much otherwise. :}
Nor was I saying anything about Eilistraee disappoving of lesbianism. That would be very odd, given the number of lesbian worshippers She has. :}
I meant only this: that it has been observed that many female drow clerics who venerate Eilistraee have chosen to remain “single,” where the definition of “single” means “not having a steady partner of either gender.”
My “lesbianism” comment in that sentence is there to point out an obvious reason why many such females haven’t taken a male partner: they don’t want to because they are lesbian (rather than, say, “bi”), and don’t dwell in a society where there’s a social need to take a male partner for protection, or to conceal their natures, or for any other reason.
Most of these single Eilistraeean clerics (lesbian or not) haven’t taken a lone steady female partner because they have found themselves part of a “family” of many fellow female drow clerics of the Dark Dancer (again, as seen in that scene in SILVERFALL), and so they have a dozen to a score of partners, rather than just one (again, lesbian or not).
I am not saying that as they grow older they won’t take partners; I’m saying that at any one time, when one looks at the clergy of Eilistraee, one will see a large proportion of female drow clerics who are, at that time, “unpaired.”
And yes, obviously a lesbian tendency would indeed mean the priestess concerned would seek out the company/companionship/love of another female. No priestess of Eilistraee “has to” be celibate, and many priestesses of the Dark Dancer live with many fellow priestesses, and haven’t settled on “just one” (other priestess or other female or male lay worshipper) as their lifemate, bedmate, or anything else.



So saith Ed. Who wrote a lot of specific, detailed, and explicit lore on these ladies that several TSR editors found TOO explicit, and “sat on” (which of course means: no, he can’t just post it here, as it belongs to TSR/Wizards). However, all scribes should gather from this that there are heterosexual, lesbian, and bisexual female drow clerics of Eilistraee, and that regardless of personal nature in matters sexual, many female drow clerics of Eilistraee live and work with other female drow clerics of Eilistraee in long-term-stable groups. One can imagine that within some of these groupings there is a lot of sex taking place, and often - - but I’d like to remind all scribes that it’s wrong to “automatically” assume such things about any stable group, such as: a family, a band of adventurers, or even a real-world football team. Just because they work together and stay together for years, it doesn’t follow that, if I may stoop to a colloquialism for a moment, they’re “all bonking each other.”
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Just because they work together and stay together for years, it doesn’t follow that, if I may stoop to a colloquialism for a moment, they’re “all bonking each other.”
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Well, my question was just partially answered, but this one isn't a priestess of Elistraee. She is lesbian though. This character is a female human fighter, Waterdhavian, common born. No she isn't a creepy wish fulfillment thing, she is just an experiment on the limits of my role-playing. I have played characters vastly different than me. But never before have a played a homosexual character. I chose lesbianism, because being a straight male, this is the most comfortable I can get.

My question is, how do Realms-inhabitants react to homosexuals, particularly her scenario?

Another related question. I friend tells me Llira is lesbian. Where is this stated? Or did he make it up?
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My question is, how do Realms-inhabitants react to homosexuals, particularly her scenario?

Another related question. I friend tells me Llira is lesbian. Where is this stated? Or did he make it up?



Ed has discussed homosexuals repeatedly in the last three years. His replies are indexed in my sig. Most likely you are going to have to do a search/find for sex or sensuality.

And no, your friend isn't making it up. Faiths & Pantheons, or it's in Faiths & Avatars, says that Lliira had relations with one of her female clergy during the Time of Troubles. It's in F&P, I just checked. :)

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Edited by - Kuje on 01 Apr 2007 05:24:18
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