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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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 Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 19:00:23
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I was randomly rummaging through the net, when I discovered something rather fascinating. It seems that the word Duergar was originally the old norse word for "dwarf". Now that I didn't know.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 19:07:50
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I dident believe you so i check it out, and its true.
In Norse Mythology, Duergar or Dvergar is the name of Dwarfs. The Norse did not view the Duergar as wholly good or wholly evil, but as isolationist and often miserly creatures. It was the Duergar who helped the Norse gods to create Gleipnir, the chain which was used to bind Fenris the wolf, but it was also Nibelung the Duergar who stole the gold from the river Rhine to craft a ring that would give its possessor the power to rule the world.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duergar |
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Edited by - Victor_ograygor on 25 Dec 2006 19:09:11 |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 19:17:58
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| This is the third "realmsy" thing I've found with some connection to Scandinavia. The first is Tyr, who is one of the Aesir in norse mythology, and the second Mielikki, an ancient finnish goddess. |
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 20:06:28
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| Ask Zimme, he has pointed out many many town and city names that are actual Finnish words or historical locales... He pointed them out to me on MSn one day, but i was too drunk to remember them. |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 23:54:47
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| You shouldn't forget Loviatar who was also loosely based on an ancient finnish goddess. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 06:32:29
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drows (prehaps even elves as such) have their orgins in Scandinavia ... Alfheim and Svartalfheim as the demiplanes of the elves and darkelves (in scandinavian folklore there is 9 demiplanes) ... according to some translations Darkelves and dwarves are the same thing
but thise aren't the only things thats are from the scandinavia ... if you look into it, most of Tolkien's world is stolen from three folklores ... the Scandinavian (primary) the Celtic and the Estonian... |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 09:34:15
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According to Ed's old article in Dragon #054, Talona is Kiputytto renamed (also of Finnish mythos, I believe, and certainly features as such in the 1st edition Legends and Lore).
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 10:52:43
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Heroes, gods and spirits in Finnish mythology
Ilmatar, female spirit of air; the daughter of primeal substance of creative spirit. Mother of Väinämöinen in Kalevala
Loviatar, the blind daughter of Tuoni and the mother of Nine diseases.
Mielikki, wife of Tapio, the goddess of the forest.
Tursas, the Tavastian god of war. May be same as the Norse Tyr and the Germanic Thurisas. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 12:01:38
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| Someone should ask Ed why he decided to use Finland as an inspiration for so much realmsstuff. |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 21:37:21
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This shouldn't surprise you all...They didn't just pull this stuff out from under their hats, you know! Although that would be a cool trick...I mean, Tolkien's whole Lord of the Rings was a compilation of Norse mythology. Okay, so I'm a mythology nut...You're really asking for a long lecturing speech, though...Well, almost ALL the planes of existence are from mythology(Greek: Hades, Tarterus, etc.). The gods at least got their names from legend(the one that instantly comes to mind is Tyche, Greek god of luck, but Tyche split into Tymora and Bashaba in the Realms). Elves, dwarves, gnomes, fairies, etc. are based from Scandinavian mythology. And then there's all those off-shoot monsters of varying names and whatnot...Lorelei, domovoi, pegasi, cerberus, veelas, the hideous thing that wacked me over the head awhile ago(No, I wasn't lecturing it or provoking it in any way!)...Now you people see what happens to mythology nuts who spend to much time in wikipedia, don't you? Lol. Seriously, go to wikipedia.com...Look stuff up...They've got EVERYTHING!  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 21:59:14
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Seriously, go to wikipedia.com...Look stuff up...They've got EVERYTHING!
And some of it is even accurate!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 00:03:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Seriously, go to wikipedia.com...Look stuff up...They've got EVERYTHING!
And some of it is even accurate!
Until it's changed by less-informed individuals.
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The origin of Duergar
