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Dargoth
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 Posted - 26 Nov 2006 : 22:06:03
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Morbiczer over at Enworld is posting excerpts from FC2
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=180000&page=3&pp=40
He starts answering questions about half way down the page
Contents page
Chapter 1: All about Devils 7-32
The Economy of Hell
Promotion and DEmotion
Soul Harvesting
The Blood War
Devils as Monsters
Devils and Demons
A DM's Guide to Demons
Mortals and Devils
Corrupt Acts
Chapter 2: The Nine Hells 33-76
Each layer has its on section, built up as follows:
Lord of the Layer
Important Locations
Divine Realms (if there are any)
Encounters on the Layer
Chapter 3: Game Rules 77-106
New Race: Hellbred (When someone dies, and repents his sins in the moment of death, they can become helbred. They don't go to either Heaven or Hell. They fight against evil in Hell, and some will find final salvation and ascend to celestial planes, but most fail. The concept doesn't impress me much.
New Feats: 27 Feats, inculding divine feats and a new type, devil-touched feats.
Prestige Classes
New Spells: 21 spells, including 15 Investiture spells, which give you some aspects of a devil, but you become fatigued for a minute when the spell runs out.
Chapter 4: Devils 107-138 (monster section)
Chapter 5: The Lords of the Nine 141-158
Aspect of Bel, Lord of the First - CR 20
Aspect of Dispater, Lord of the Second - CR 21
Aspect of Mammon, Lord of the Third - CR 21
Aspect of Belial, Lord of the Fourth - CR 21
Aspect of Fierna, Lord of the Fourth - CR 19 (This layer has two lords.)
Aspect of Levistus, Lord of the Fifth - CR 21
Aspect of Glasya, Lord of the Sixth - CR 22
Aspect of Baalzebul, Lord of the Seventh - CR 23
Aspect of Mephistoheles, Lord of the Eighth - CR 24
Aspect of Asmodeus, Lord of the Ninth - CR 27
New Devils
Abishai (white, black, green, blue, and red) - CR 4-8 - Servants of Tiamat
Amnizu - CR 7 - Guardian devils who oversee traffic through the gates of hell.
Assassin Devil (Dogai) - CR 11 - Skilled killers.
Ayperobos Swarm - CR 12 - A swarm of Diminutive devils.
Harvester Devil (Falxugon) - CR 7 - Seductive schemers.
Hellfire Engine - CR 19 - Artillery used in the Blood War.
Kalabon - CR 1/2 - Devils spawned from the carcass of the Hag Countess.
Legion Devil (merregon) - CR 3 - Hell's weakest food soldiers.
Malebranche - CR 14 - Devils who serve other, more intelligent devils.
Narzugon - CR 5 - Elite cavalry of the baatezu.
Nupperibo - CR 2 - Tormented devils, ho have been demoted by their masters.
Orthon - CR 8 - Foot soldiers in Hell's armies.
Paeliryon - CR 18 - Crafty baatezu that manage vast spy networks across the planes.
Pain Devil (Excruciarch) - CR 7 - Diabolical torturers.
Pleasure Devil (Brachina) - CR 11 - Hell's version of the succubus.
Spined Devil (Spinagon) - CR 4 - Small fiends, sometimes used as spys by the archdevils.
Steel Devil (Bueroza) - CR 6 - Soldier in the Blood War.
Xerfilstyx - CR 15 - Terrifying devils living in the River Styx.
There are four prestige classes:
Hellbreaker Thieves who specialize in infiltrating infernal strongholds and relieving them of their treasure.
Hellfire Warlock Warlocks who use hellfire, a dangerous energy found only in the Nine Hells.
Hellreaver Good warriors who fight devils ang bet bonuses against them.
Soulgard Mostly clerics or paladins who try to save good souls who have been tricked by devils in to servitude. (Or something like that.)
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Edited by - Dargoth on 26 Nov 2006 22:27:50
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The Sage
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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 00:36:29
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And, undoubtedly, the Lords of the Nine will have complete stat blocks... 
From what was said on that thread, only their aspects do, not their forms themselves..... |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 00:41:43
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And, undoubtedly, the Lords of the Nine will have complete stat blocks...
From what was said on that thread, only their aspects do, not their forms themselves.....
Originally, that's what I was thinking... However, I'm finding myself having serious doubts that WotC wouldn't "miss this opportunity" to update the Lords of the Nine stats from the BoVD.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 01:49:48
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Im not real impressed with Wizards introducing CR 20+ Aspects it goes against what the aspects where origionally intended to be ie a deity specfic being that you could summon with a Planar ally spell (Regular/Greater or Lesser subject to the Aspects CR)
A CR 20+ Aspect is not going to be summonable with a Planar ally spell and lets face it an Outsider that powerful is really an "avatar" not an aspect |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 03:41:28
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While I am still definately looking forward to this book, I am a little confused as to why now, after the Fiendish Codex I came out, they would make this change to aspects and what does or doesn't represent their actual forms. So demon lords have physical forms and lesser aspects, but the Lords of the Nine are too powerful to stat and have "avatar" class aspects?
There is still plenty of interesting material in this, and I look forward to seeing the book, but I do dislike a change in format between similar books in a series. |
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 15:06:39
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The book appears to be awesome! I will expect the reviews, and probably, will acquire it in the beggining of the next year.  |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 15:34:30
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| it looks like the Hag Countess lord of the 6th was murdered and replaced by Asmodeus's daughter |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 17:23:23
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Pleasure Devil (Brachina) - CR 11 - Hell's version of the succubus.
I thought that was what the erinyes was... |
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 17:30:48
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This is good, since my players are in Undermountain I have a perfect opportunity to try out some of these new devils I can't wait. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 23:34:28
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Originally posted by dwarvenranger
This is good, since my players are in Undermountain I have a perfect opportunity to try out some of these new devils I can't wait.
You refering to that broken coin that when its put back together opens a gate to the Nine hells? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 00:48:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Pleasure Devil (Brachina) - CR 11 - Hell's version of the succubus.
I thought that was what the erinyes was...
They are.
Apparently FC2 intends to add something to the mix.
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 02:10:12
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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This is good, since my players are in Undermountain I have a perfect opportunity to try out some of these new devils I can't wait.
You refering to that broken coin that when its put back together opens a gate to the Nine hells?
Just one of many opportunities |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 02:41:02
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| I must say I'm looking forward to this. I enjoyed the first one and look forward to the eventual Yugoloth supplement. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 23:11:15
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| It will be interesting to see if they make any reference to the events in Elminster in Hell particularly Mystra's incursion into Avernus and the death of a good half dozen "Arch Devil Children" |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 13:58:08
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Originally posted by Dargoth
It will be interesting to see if they make any reference to the events in Elminster in Hell particularly Mystra's incursion into Avernus and the death of a good half dozen "Arch Devil Children"
I was thinking that too...but I doubt it...
I want to see if there will be any hint of Asmodeous being the uber-overpower he was in Guide to Hell |
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 15:50:00
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| Depending on who did the design work we might see some old cosmology conitnuity, and thus El and Mystra (and the Simbul!) kicking up some major dust in the nine hells. |
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 17:15:01
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It will be interesting to see if they make any reference to the events in Elminster in Hell particularly Mystra's incursion into Avernus and the death of a good half dozen "Arch Devil Children"
I doubt any Arch Devil Children in Hell are "good".
I would suspect that the Pleasure Devil does resemble the soft, cuddly, evil seductress devil (like succubus) while the Erinyes are turned into a more martial, amazon, kick-butt type of naked devils that kinda seduce weight-lifters and men who like to be dominated on the side.
I never had the the planescape or any 2e stuff, but I still have Ed's original 2-part column from Dragon, waaaayy back. I am curious how they will compare. |
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Dargoth
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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 00:31:39
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Hmmm... The ToC seems to indicate that the individual Lords do in fact receive some specific attention -- whether it's stat'd attention, remains to be seen.
And I'm glad to see Geryon gets some ink as well -- he's always been one of my favorite "lost" Lords.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 00:41:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm... The ToC seems to indicate that the individual Lords do in fact receive some specific attention -- whether it's stat'd attention, remains to be seen.
And I'm glad to see Geryon gets some ink as well -- he's always been one of my favorite "lost" Lords.
The Lords are stat'd as CR 21-27 ASPECTS (Which I think is an absolutely stupid idea as Aspects are suppose to be summonable with Planar Ally spells which you certainly cant do with 20+ Aspect) |
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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 00:48:49
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Yes. However the individual Lords themselves are also detailed as part of each section on each of the Nine Hells. I'm wondering whether they're be stats for them with each of those.
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Dargoth
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 15:19:58
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| Hmm,no info on the ancient baatorians. I thought that the nupperibo were the ancient baatorians, or what's left of them. But the tome looks really cool and I'm very much looking forward to it. The artwork of A Paladin in Hell is one of my favorite pieces of D&D art, I hope it's in the Codex |
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The Sage
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 23:42:47
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Oooh! I can't pass up the chance for some speculation on the ancient baatorians...
I've sometimes thought that kytons were a form the Ancient Baatorians had adapted in modern times. Jangling Hiter has always been there, though the baatezu deny it. The humanoid shape the kytons have today is a new thing, however. As I see it, Kytons probably don't reproduce using nupperibos anymore. The advanced nupperibo they have chained in their city may be there in hope it will become an Ancient worthy of their worship.
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Paj
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 09:24:05
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| Hmm, you say it mentions any divine realms that can be found on a layer. Would this be Greyhawk realms only? Or will they finally take the opportunity to update the locations of some of the missing realms of FR deities whose realms were in the Nine Hells during 2e? |
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 15:28:45
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Hmm, you say it mentions any divine realms that can be found on a layer. Would this be Greyhawk realms only? Or will they finally take the opportunity to update the locations of some of the missing realms of FR deities whose realms were in the Nine Hells during 2e?
From what it looks like on ENworld, it's Greyhawk only unlike the 1st one that had some of the Realms deities back into the Abyss. |
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Dargoth
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 03:38:08
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| I'll likely be able to use this in the Realms, but some sections of the book won't work the same way for the Realms, others with be virtually identical, which is essentially what I did with the Abyss from the Fiendish Codex I, though it was a bit more "user friendly" for this sort of thing than this book appears to be. I'm sure I'll get some good ideas from it, but I was hoping for more of the "psuedo-2e if you want it" approach, as well as a few more nods toward some of the work that Ed did about the Nine Hells (such as the exiled arch devils . . .) |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:02:52
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The authors mentioned that they had read Eds work while researching the book so it will be interesting to see how much of Ed material they included
God Street is one thing that cant work in the Realms especially how FC2 says that LE gods just appear in the Nine Hells from nothingness |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:10:18
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The authors mentioned that they had read Eds work while researching the book so it will be interesting to see how much of Ed material they included
God Street is one thing that cant work in the Realms especially how FC2 says that LE gods just appear in the Nine Hells from nothingness
Yeah, God Street was definately one element that jumped out that would have to be excised to use the book in the Realms. Kind of an interesting concept, but doesn't work for the setting.
I hope that they did work some of Ed's exiles into the book, but I didn't see any specific mention of them, specifically when mentioning Avernus.
Speaking of Avernus, I would have loved to have seen someone run with Eric Boyd's really cool "bridge" of Tiamat's fall from power, her temporary state as an "archfiend" which allowed her to be the master of Avernus, and then her rise to power, because to me it tied all of dispartiate lore on her together nicely. |
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Welcome to Hell: Fiendish codex 2
