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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Sep 2002 :  12:48:09  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Everyone knows the symbol of the Zhentarim - the black 'Z' on a yellow circle upon a black inverted triangle. Its been around for years, it stikes fear into anyone who glances upon it on a standard or armor..... so why is there a new symbol shown in "Lords of Darkness"?? Has this really been adopted as the new Zhentarim symbol? I dont have it to hand right now but im sure the original symbol is still shown in the FRCS book!

The new symbol just looks messy and is nowhere near as distinguishable.

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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  15:31:56  Show Profile Send Mumadar Ibn Huzal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is indeed a new symbol for the Zhentarim, and it replaces the old 'Z' from 2e and before. Use of this symbol can be seen in the cover art of Lords of Darkness. It depicts Zyculla Darkhope leading an assault on a Moonsea city. (Does anyone have ideas which city this could be?)

It is not uncommon for organizations to change their logo over time. Maybe the Zhents felt their old symbol was either too well known or did not confirm to their standards anymore. Besides the Zhentarim now frimly under control of Fzoul (read Bane) is a different organization compared to what it was before.
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Cyric
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Posted - 11 Sep 2003 :  20:50:56  Show Profile  Visit Cyric's Homepage  Click to see Cyric's MSN Messenger address Send Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the new symbol isent that bad its okey the Z wasent that spookey
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Arion Elenim
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Posted - 16 Oct 2003 :  06:33:03  Show Profile  Visit Arion Elenim's Homepage  Click to see Arion Elenim's MSN Messenger address Send Arion Elenim a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't know...I think the old symbol was what they needed...it was ambivalent.

I don't think the Zhents need to be waving a "We're Bad Guys" flag about....and that's what the new symbol kind of does...

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Bladesinger
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I think members from Zhentil Keep and Citadel of the Raven are using the new symbol. The scepter on the symbol signifies Zhents devotion to Bane, so I don't think Cyricist Zhents of Darkhold would use it.
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the psychotic seaotter
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In my game I have Split the symbols up just like that. Except the Cyricist Zhents have added the Black Sun symbol to theirs and Zhents loyal to Manshoon have kept the Z symbol....Of course I am setting the stage for a Zhent Civil war....

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The Sage
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Hmmm...that sounds like a very interesting alternative to the standard flag/symbol type.

Be sure to keep us apprised of your Zhentarim civil war scenario...it sounds very interesting...

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Lord Rad
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Now theres a new way of looking at it! A great idea...as the Sage says...keep us posted! Im creating a Zhentarim-heavy campaign at the moment and would be interested to hear of your ideas and developments.

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The Sage
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter

In my game I have Split the symbols up just like that. Except the Cyricist Zhents have added the Black Sun symbol to theirs and Zhents loyal to Manshoon have kept the Z symbol....Of course I am setting the stage for a Zhent Civil war....

Actually, something I forgot to ask before...

How exactly did you add the Black Sun symbol to your Cyricist Zhents symbol...? Did you simply place the 'Black Sun' detail behind the black dragon (which, IIRC symbolizes dominion)?. Also, the scepter signifies the veneration of Bane, perhaps you removed the scepter, and in it's place put the black (or purple) sunburst and white jawless skull symbol of Cyric...?

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Edited by - The Sage on 14 Mar 2004 08:55:35
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Lady Kazandra
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Where can I find an illustration that displays the current Zhentarim symbol?. It doesn't show this new emblem that everybody in this thread is talking about, in the FRCS.

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Dargoth
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The new symbols in Lords of Darkness

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The Sage
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No I haven't, but I remember that you'd mentioned it previously.

Where is it located...?

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Dargoth
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

No I haven't, but I remember that you'd mentioned it previously.

Where is it located...?




Here you go

http://www.candlekeep.com./forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2165

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Cronje
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Sorry to resurrect such a very old thread, but since I wasn't really all that knowledgeable about the Zhentarim, I decided to read up about them in the fourth edition Campaign Guide. I noticed that the symbol there (page 282) (a yellow-gray skull with brownish beams bursting from it) is different from both descriptions listed above and on the Zhentarim article on the FR wiki. I also couldn't help but notice its similarities to Cyric's symbol. Is this the new Zhentarim symbol, or something else?
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It's the newest one.

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