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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 :  01:14:55  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I saw this link on another site. Looks like we are getting another Drow of the Underdark book (though I suspect, like the Draconomicon before it, the 3.5 version is "core" rather than a FR supplement).

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978078694151/0786941510/Drow+Of+The+Underdark+A+Dd+Supplement

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I'm hoping this is a working title...

It's hard enough at times to distinguish some discusses between the old Draconomicon and the 3.5e D&D book.

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warlockco
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'm hoping this is a working title...

It's hard enough at times to distinguish some discusses between the old Draconomicon and the 3.5e D&D book.




Have to agree with you there.
Especially since the 2E product was a Realms book, while the 3E wasn't.

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George Krashos
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Is this even a WotC product?

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KnightErrantJR
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Well, the details on the site list the publisher as WOTC, and the authors would appear to be consistant to a WOTC product as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final title, just as the Draconomicon was.

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Perhaps not.

Though, and unless this is an error, it is referenced as a D&D supplement. However, both authors have done work on non-WotC products before, with Anthony Pryor apparently being the only one of the two to work on both TSR and WotC products.

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Dargoth
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its up on Amazon as well

http://www.amazon.com/Drow-Underdark-D-Supplement/dp/0786941510/sr=8-2/qid=1160448117/ref=sr_1_2/104-1482795-6759905?ie=UTF8&s=books

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Talk about going to the well one too many times...

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Dargoth
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Talk about going to the well one too many times...



The Chinese have 10- 12 names for there years (ie Rat, Monkey Dragon etc)

WOTC obviously decided they only need 2

Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow

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Wooly Rupert
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Okay, let's find our way back to the topic.

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Archwizard
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Talk about going to the well one too many times...



The Chinese have 10- 12 names for there years (ie Rat, Monkey Dragon etc)

WOTC obviously decided they only need 2

Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow



You forgot "Magic."

On a positive note, this could potentially be a good toolkit of sorts for DMs to adapt to FR.
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Isnt 2007 the Year of Dead Horses in the Roll of Years?

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Wooly Rupert
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Enough. Discuss the actual book, please.

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Chosen of Moradin
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It´s a very good new, and I will wait it eagerlly. And it will be better if the book is a generic one. This will left open space for us to see a future Drows of Faerűn.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 :  14:42:53  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage  Click to see Kalin Agrivar's MSN Messenger address Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Talk about going to the well one too many times...



I'm glad someone said it

but I also think the book wouldn't be that bad if (1) they made it a Forgotten Realms book, (2) if they actually (god forbid!) keep away from that old chestnut of Menzoberranzan and the Underdark of the North and cover other drow cities and cultures (I really enjoyed the 2E Drizzt's Guide to the Underdark for that reason) and (3) actually update the drow race after the WotSQ and justify why Lolth's transformation to greater goddess was such a big deal in the first place

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KnightErrantJR
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I actually don't mind if this is a Core book instead of a Forgotten Realms book. For one thing, while I like drow and using that particular element, I do get tired of FR being seen as the "drow setting" and a good general book about them might help to get people to see them in other settings and (hopefully) to see that there is a ton more to see in FR than drow.

I would like to see a better explanation of the test that drow used to take in the "old days." I know that it technically still happens, but in the old days it was all drow that get over X level, and if they failed, they turned into drider. Now its a bit hazzy who gets tested and why, what they get out if it, and why exactly some drow get turned into driders.

What I don't want to see is some of the issues that cropped up in the "Races of" books, where entire pantheons were reworked, and customs and practices were added to different races that were completely contradictory to previous edition versions of the same cultures. While it doesn't really affect the Realms one way or another, it does make it seem less useful if the cultures discussed in the book don't really resemble Realms cultures at all.


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Kalin Agrivar
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quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

I actually don't mind if this is a Core book instead of a Forgotten Realms book. For one thing, while I like drow and using that particular element, I do get tired of FR being seen as the "drow setting" and a good general book about them might help to get people to see them in other settings and (hopefully) to see that there is a ton more to see in FR than drow.

I would like to see a better explanation of the test that drow used to take in the "old days." I know that it technically still happens, but in the old days it was all drow that get over X level, and if they failed, they turned into drider. Now its a bit hazzy who gets tested and why, what they get out if it, and why exactly some drow get turned into driders.

What I don't want to see is some of the issues that cropped up in the "Races of" books, where entire pantheons were reworked, and customs and practices were added to different races that were completely contradictory to previous edition versions of the same cultures. While it doesn't really affect the Realms one way or another, it does make it seem less useful if the cultures discussed in the book don't really resemble Realms cultures at all.



I know what you are saying...but we'll have to see if it will be a "draconomicon"-style or "Races of" style book...but in 3E, even if you don't count the Realmsian drow lore there is still a ton of drow info...I really don't see the need for a "drow" book other than WoTC R&D thinking what products will hook the younglings, newbies and RAS fans the easiest

have you ever read that arcticle in Dragon #298 about the different tests of Drow life? it's not that bad

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Lady Kazandra
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Oh boy . . . another drow/Underdark book.

I think I'll pass. The Year of the Drow (since 2002) feels like its never really going to end.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
It's hard enough at times to distinguish some discusses between the old Draconomicon and the 3.5e D&D book.
The answer is to use the older book's full title, including the FOR1 product code!
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While that's true, most posters aren't always aware of the older product codes. And judging from experiences on the WotC boards, some still have problems noting that these codes refer to specific FR 1e/2e sources.

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Doesn't this make you feel old Sage (applies to yours truly as well)

In a way I hope it will be a generic product, current 3e and 3.5e FR products have covered the drow more or less - and let's not forget the novels. Unless, for the current 'young' generation of FR fans WotC decides it is commercially time to revisit Menzo et. al. I hope it will remain some time before we see 'Drow of Faerun' announced as companion volume to 'Drow of the Underdark 2007'
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quote:
Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal

Doesn't this make you feel old Sage (applies to yours truly as well)
Indeed, it does.

quote:
In a way I hope it will be a generic product, current 3e and 3.5e FR products have covered the drow more or less - and let's not forget the novels.
That's a good point.

And when you consider these sources alongside the 2e FR sources on drow, which again includes novels printed during the days of TSR, you do begin to realise just how extensive the lore on drow and the Underdark is for the FR setting. Enough, hopefully, to convince WotC to instead concentrate on other areas/aspect of the Realms that have never received much attention in any edition.

I'm not sure whether I will purchase this. In a way, I'm almost of the same opinion as the Lady K above. Neither the Underdark nor the Drow have ever really featured heavily in any campaign I've ran, so it's not really material I'll make extensive use of. If I do buy it, the book may end up just sitting on the same shelf that holds the 3.5e Draconomicon... collecting dust.

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This is another book Ill probably pass on, its going to be totally generic with no realms stuff and its going to focus on specfic sub race that weve already got plenty of info on

The only info we really need on Faerunian drow is the state of their cities post WOSQ

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An update for the status of the various deities of the Dark Seldarine post-WotSQ would be nice also.

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I must admit that this product does not especially tempt me as I have enough information about Drow to last me a lifetime.
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I have to agree with Jorkens here. "No Drow no more" I say, when it comes to sourcebooks.

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