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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 02 Dec 2007 :  20:57:17  Show Profile  Visit BARDOBARBAROS's Homepage Send BARDOBARBAROS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i voted for the Mulhorand

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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 :  03:13:00  Show Profile  Visit Tigger's Homepage Send Tigger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Miyeritar, the pinnacle of Elven art and Magic. Also the source of much of Aryvandaar power if the most frequent theories of how the Nether scrolls got to where they were found by the Netherese is believed.
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Eol
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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 :  11:27:53  Show Profile  Visit Eol's Homepage Send Eol a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would go with Aryvandaar. If I remember correctly they destroyed Miyeritar with the killing storm. Having access to magic that destroys a whole nation is quiet impressive. Also by making contracts with the planar forces like demons the Aryvandaar High Mages were able to cast High Magic (epic magic) with extremly high DCs and with less casters. Aryvandaar under the Vyshaanti dynasty also conquered all the other powerful elven realms in Faerun including the powerful Illythiir.

In my opinion Aryvandaar (not only because of the blow up whole nation spell) is stronger then Imaskar is that in the end Imaskar fell to avatars Mulhorand gods. If Aryvandaar had to fight godly avatars they could use the High Magic Ritual that imprison them (the spell is in Comanthor empire of the elves in the Elven High Magic section).

The only reason Aryvandaar Empire fell is because the Elves in the Aryvandaar Empire were commanded by the Elven court to repudiate their leaders the Vyshaanti.
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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 :  17:49:54  Show Profile  Visit Aravine's Homepage Send Aravine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Where can I find more info on Imaskar?

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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 :  19:47:12  Show Profile  Visit Mazrim_Taim's Homepage Send Mazrim_Taim a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aravine

Where can I find more info on Imaskar?



More information regarding the Imaskar can be found in Lost Empires of Faerun.

Not sure if they are featured in any other sourcebooks, if that's what you mean. Maybe someone else can answer that question.

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quote:
Originally posted by Aravine

Where can I find more info on Imaskar?

In addition to the aforementioned source, see Grand History of the Realms.

As well, the Horde boxed set.

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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  16:27:40  Show Profile  Visit RIMV's Homepage Send RIMV a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Underdark book also talks about the Imaskari as well.
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Aravine
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quote:
Originally posted by RIMV

The Underdark book also talks about the Imaskari as well.



yes but it is rather vauge(if that's how you spell it)

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Ardashir
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  17:02:03  Show Profile  Visit Ardashir's Homepage Send Ardashir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I went with 'Other'. The Creator Races were the ones who first discovered and codified how to work magic, and they set the standard for everyone who came after.

BTW, the Sarrukh aside, who were the other Creator Races, and which 'modern' races are their descendants/heirs?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir

BTW, the Sarrukh aside, who were the other Creator Races, and which 'modern' races are their descendants/heirs?

Brian gave them on this thread.
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Originally posted by Brian R. James

Aearee, Sarrukh, LeShay, Batrachi, Human.

Dragons are not a creator race. Eric Boyd admitted he added that one by mistake.

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Posted - 23 Dec 2007 :  19:46:37  Show Profile  Visit Elestar's Homepage Send Elestar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Imaskar earns my respect - for all the reasons mentioned above, that I don't want to repeat.

Netheril also has had its charm: flying cities are pretty impessive, but the mere presence of the manifastation of their quasimagical powers caused headache and the loss of the immunity to sleep to elves - what I myself find a (tiny) mitigating factor for this Empire's advances.

Instead I would like to express my positive fellings towad Cormanthyr - because that empire was a true wonder to behold (both before and after the Opening).

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Shilo99
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Yeah, the Imaskari are powerful, nasty...and quite alien (not unlike the Creator Races)

See FR10 for a slightly different take on the Imaskari & their interactions with the ancient gods...
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quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

I'm testing this poll stuff so what do you think which of these civilizations was the most advanced in terms of power (magic, psionics, knowledge, war) if you cannot decide vote for the most interesting.

I vote for Miyeritar.


-I voted for the Imaskari.


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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 :  12:10:35  Show Profile  Visit Draezen's Homepage  Send Draezen an ICQ Message Send Draezen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, this is quite hard to say, since most of these empires got some help from other powerful guys.

Aryvandaar, with all their powerful mythals, got some of those secrets from Malkizid.
Netheril got anything they were from the Creator Races.
Imaskar got at least some help from the LeShay, and maybe from some demons, as Darkvision suggests.

So, without counting the Creator Races in, since we just don't know enough about them (except for the Sarrukh), my choice would be either Aryvandaar or Imaskar.

And btw, imo the most impressive thing the Imaskari did wasn't the divine barrier, but the summoning/enslaving of Pandorym (which was one of the most impressive and powerful entities ever seen on Toril, even while it's stats in Elder Evils wouldn't suggest it)

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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

I'm testing this poll stuff so what do you think which of these civilizations was the most advanced in terms of power (magic, psionics, knowledge, war) if you cannot decide vote for the most interesting.

I vote for Miyeritar.


-I voted for the Imaskari.


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after the recent campaign I change the vote from Miyeritar to Imaskar


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-The Imaskari are pretty neat, I'll admit.

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Posted - 06 May 2009 :  01:26:23  Show Profile  Visit bolf66's Homepage Send bolf66 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
imaskari all the way god blocking is pretty cool.... I'm not sure of referance for this but didnt AO personaly have to get involved and go fecth the slave's native gods in the end

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Pretty much. Ao heard their prayers and summoned Ptah whose faith originated on the home world of the Mulan [supposedly Earth]. Ptah, again acting on Ao's orders, returned to the home world and organised the two relevant pantheons with the intention of expanding their influence into Realmspace to assist their faithful.

It's fully explained in the "Mulhorandi & Untheric Pantheons" chapter of Powers & Pantheons.

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I vote for Imaskar as well. I am glad though, they do not exist anymore in the Realms.
Instead they provide the perfect explaination for mysterious and powerful ancient sites left to explore in the realms! And I really feel any fantasy setting always should have a good share of those settings.

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Mulhorand FTW! Alright, they aren't the most advanced, but they're way cooler than Imaskaris or Netherese. Imaskar, of course, wins in the technology department though. Poor Mulhorand, why do no novels take place there?
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Posted - 09 May 2009 :  17:56:06  Show Profile  Visit bolf66's Homepage Send bolf66 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks Sage for clearing that up for me now there something I've been wondering about the hole imaskar god ward did that block out mystral too since how do you 1 block the godess of magic and still use magic since she has the ability to prevent anyone from using general magic from anyone including cyric during kelvamore's take over as god of dead.. how did that work

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quote:
Originally posted by bolf66

thanks Sage for clearing that up for me now there something I've been wondering about the hole imaskar god ward did that block out mystral too since how do you 1 block the godess of magic and still use magic since she has the ability to prevent anyone from using general magic from anyone including cyric during kelvamore's take over as god of dead.. how did that work



Nay, it only blocked the Mulhorandi and Unther deities.

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quote:
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imaskari all the way god blocking is pretty cool.... I'm not sure of referance for this but didnt AO personaly have to get involved and go fecth the slave's native gods in the end

Yup - the problem was that a religion existed where no gods did, and unlike on other worlds, such things aren't allowed in Realmspace.

Ao didn't have to go far - Ptah already had a presence in Realmspace (thanks to Spelljamming). In fact, I find it strange that Ptah himself hadn't heard the prayers to the Pharoanic Pantheon, which he is a part of.

The only way that works for me is if Spelljamming hadn't existed in Realmspace prior to -2489 DR. I'm not sure if there is any lore contradicting that, though- Yeoman's Loft discovered Arcane Space in -1064 DR, so that still works. That gives the Mercane and Spelljammers a little over 1400 years to discover Realmspace and Ptah to become active there.

In fact, it might just be easier to look at things in reverse, and assume the sphere was 'discovered' after Ptah was summoned to Realmspace by Ao.

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quote:
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thanks Sage for clearing that up for me now there something I've been wondering about the hole imaskar god ward did that block out mystral too since how do you 1 block the godess of magic and still use magic since she has the ability to prevent anyone from using general magic from anyone including cyric during kelvamore's take over as god of dead.. how did that work

What Kuje said.

Note also, that the source I mentioned earlier handles this subject somewhat.

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