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Marc
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 :  08:51:02  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
I'm testing this poll stuff so what do you think which of these civilizations was the most advanced in terms of power (magic, psionics, knowledge, war) if you cannot decide vote for the most interesting.

I vote for Miyeritar.

Choices:

Aryvandaar
Aryselmalyr
Jhaamdath
Shanatar
Imaskar
Unther or Mulhorand
Cormanthyr
Netheril
Shoon Empire
Illythiir
Miyeritar
Other (Nar/Raum,Yuireshanyaar, Uvaeren, Eaerlann, Genie Empires, Ostoria, earlier Creator races)

(Anonymous Vote)

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Wooly Rupert
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My vote goes to Imaskar, the guys that were powerful enough to tell deities where to stick it.

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Chosen of Moradin
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I agree with Wooly! Wizards that can stop deities from act in their affairs deserve a good attention.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 :  13:41:45  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage  Click to see Kalin Agrivar's MSN Messenger address Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I vote other...and chose the Sarukh...we only know a fraction of all the Creator Races but we know the Sarukh created the Nether scrolls, created at least a dozen races, rerouted an ocean...

I'm sure they were on par with the Imaskar...and probably could have woven a "mega-mythal" like the Imaskar did...but they were a pius (sp?) people

(the "mega-mythal" theory, that can of worms, was created in the Rage of Dragons series)

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Wandering_mage
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I went with Aryvandaar despite the fact that I would also like to say Imaskar. Them elves had some powerful stuff going on. Casting spells from their towers to ravage whole realms and changing the shap of Faerun.... (Did they have a hand in that?)

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 :  14:03:41  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage  Click to see Kalin Agrivar's MSN Messenger address Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wandering_mage

I went with Aryvandaar despite the fact that I would also like to say Imaskar. Them elves had some powerful stuff going on. Casting spells from their towers to ravage whole realms and changing the shape of Faerun.... (Did they have a hand in that?)



do you mean the Sundering? that happened a century before Aryvandaar was founded

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sleyvas
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Most definitely Imaskar. Blocking deities from entering the crystal sphere is just powerful. Of course, capturing entire cultures from other worlds and transporting them to Faerun is also nothing to sneeze at either.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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I'm torn between netheril, aryvandaar and imaskar.
The creator races didnt make the rage of dragon mythal... elves did.

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Jorkens
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This is not my field of expertise, but I would have to say the Imaskari.
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David E
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 :  22:32:27  Show Profile  Visit David E's Homepage Send David E a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can't say that I'm terribly familiar with the Old Empires either, but from my reading of LEoF the Imaskari seem pretty powerful - transporting an entire civilization of humans to serve as slaves, creating portals as if they were no more than ordinary doors, doing battle with the avatars of immortal gods - seems pretty powerful to me.
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 :  10:51:26  Show Profile  Visit boards's Homepage Send boards a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gotta say the Imaskar. I would love to know more about them. When was the first mention of Imaskar. In Old Empires book they dont appear to exist.
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Shadovar
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I say Imaskar As well, as the Imaskari were notably the first humans to grow in power strong enough to ape the elven magical might as well as to bar the deities, even though the origins of their power is unknown, this made them all the more powerful.

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Marc
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Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).



I'm not a particular fan of them; it's just that they did some seriously impressive stuff.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).



I'm not a particular fan of them; it's just that they did some seriously impressive stuff.

Indeed.

I enjoy reading about the Imaskari, though I actually hold more love for Jhaamdath and the Shoon, than I do the Imaskari. Though, the Deep Imaskari are one of the few Underdark races that I've actually become quite interested in.

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Dart Ambermoon
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Imaskar would have to be my choice as well. But they are head to head with the elves...

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Zimme
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 :  13:30:51  Show Profile  Click to see Zimme's MSN Messenger address Send Zimme a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All hail the magnificent Imaskari spellhurling, my vote goes to them.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 :  14:07:21  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage  Click to see Kalin Agrivar's MSN Messenger address Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

I'm torn between netheril, aryvandaar and imaskar.
The creator races didnt make the rage of dragon mythal... elves did.



I don't disagree with anyone that the Imaskar weren't the most powerful of the "modern" ancient empires..they would be my vote...

But no one knows what the potential of the Progenator Races were/are, after all the Sarukh created the Nether Scrolls...and you see what they could do...and basically picking up a sea and dropping it on your foes as another example...no one knows the full extent of the Creator Races...

Additionally the old Scepter of the Sorcerer-Kings (a mega-artifact that could reproduce the "god-bane mythal" to one particular god multiple times)was an artifact created by the Netherese that was "blue-printed" by the Nether scrolls

The "god-bane mythal" of course is really impressive and so was the rage of dragon mythal (especially in 1E/2E) but IMO the 3E rules about casting an epic spell allows that if enough spellcasters are involved even the really high DC epic spells are managable (but thats another subject ) so relatively how impressive are those spells really

For the "god-bane mythal" I imagine almost every Imaskari spellcaster, from apprentice, involved in that one...I can only imagine if the full force of the Sarukh was eevr brought to bare...

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Alisttair
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 :  01:55:42  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I only voted Netheril because I am biased. I know the creator races and the Imaskari were actually more powerful.

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Marc
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 :  08:56:43  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sorry that no one has voted for Aryselmalyr, this is my favourite campaign in 2E

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edbonny
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quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).



The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.

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Alediran
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 :  22:00:24  Show Profile  Visit Alediran's Homepage  Click to see Alediran's MSN Messenger address Send Alediran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I go for Aryvaandar, the created lots of really powerfull mythals, like Waymeet and artifacts like the Gatekeeper Crystal.

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Drakul
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  01:17:28  Show Profile  Visit Drakul's Homepage  Click to see Drakul's MSN Messenger address Send Drakul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cormanthyr gets my vote. I love the Drow. Want to see more of them.

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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by edbonny

quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).



The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.

- Ed



Yes, generally, but considering their intellect. Then the Imaskari must've been a closed up society, there are many other ways to cure disease (I mean planar assistance or abducting druids ...)

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Sian
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quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

quote:
Originally posted by edbonny

quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin

Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).



The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.

- Ed



Yes, generally, but considering their intellect. Then the Imaskari must've been a closed up society, there are many other ways to cure disease (I mean planar assistance or abducting druids ...)



when they had a godbane mystal do you think the gods was interesting in letting their diving magicks help them?

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Marc
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I was not saying anything about deity provided magic (druids don't need gods and if Imaskari traveled the planes they could have easily aquired services of variety of creatures who can use divine magic or have divine abilities).

And yes I think that there were gods interested in granting magic, they have their own plots, and who knows in which way some of them wanted to influence and manipulate imaskari directly or indirectly. The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens. If this is true, surely there would be many secret divine cults (that would be logical). Also the imaskari weren't alone in Faerun, what about foreign traders and travelers, also why the assumption that all their slaves were Mulan, what about slaves from other parts of Toril (Jhaamdathan interference here might be interesting) who worshipped other gods ...

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