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Kalin Agrivar
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 Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 15:39:25
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Worst for the PCs. I managed to achieve a TPK with a lvl 17 wizard against a party that consisted of 12-13th level chars...of course I had the spell sequence of what the wizard did plotted out days before the actual game.
2 thoughts:
I think one 17th lv mage is too powerful a challenge against 12-13th lv players, 2E or 3E
but moreso, was that party taking on that mage in his own "lair"? |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 15:43:27
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The party followed a challenge by said wizard, he chose the battlefield.
As for too powerful, yes and no, TPK was never my intention, I wanted to show them that combat was NOT an option when dealing with this threat. After the party's druid changed himself into a statue and got disintegrated (the wizard's goal was to kill the druid, after Hiddukel had promised him safe return to Athas should he kill said druid), the wizard left. Through a big-ass stroke of luck the druid came back...the story goes on.
Point is I wanted them to know that combat was not an option. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 15:50:24
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
The party followed a challenge by said wizard, he chose the battlefield.
As for too powerful, yes and no, TPK was never my intention, I wanted to show them that combat was NOT an option when dealing with this threat. After the party's druid changed himself into a statue and got disintegrated (the wizard's goal was to kill the druid, after Hiddukel had promised him safe return to Athas should he kill said druid), the wizard left. Through a big-ass stroke of luck the druid came back...the story goes on.
Point is I wanted them to know that combat was not an option.
yeah, players usually screw up the best of plans 
I'm just saying a 17th lv wizard has access to 7th-8th lv spells while a 12-13 party has 6th-7th lv magics...depending on the wizard's spell list, that can be a big imbalance... |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 15:52:14
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I really don't care about imbalances, if I can tell an awesome story.
Besides, the mage was working WITH the PCs afterwards, even a god should try to cheat one pissed off mage who just wants to go home, especially if the mage is CN |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 15:56:35
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I really don't care about imbalances, if I can tell an awesome story.
Besides, the mage was working WITH the PCs afterwards, even a god should try to cheat one pissed off mage who just wants to go home, especially if the mage is CN
 I'm sure that mage should have expected it, from Hiddukel! |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:16:09
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He would've...had he been from Krynn, then again the druid had pissed off Hiddukel before, why do you think the god wanted him dead. The mage kept his end of the bargain, it was never mentioned anything about killing the druid TWICE.
Nonetheless, high powered enemies are, IMO, the core of real climatic battles. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:18:55
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Nonetheless, high powered enemies are, IMO, the core of real climatic battles.
true enough  |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:21:49
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| I'm still thinking of adding defense ability to AC, similar, but watered down, to the UE defense stuff |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:24:04
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UE stuff? *pre-seniors moment*
well, it isn't WotC rules..but in the Conan RPG they use a mix of pary rules and armour gives damage reduction, there is no "AC" |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:25:18
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| I won't buy a new RPG, I already sold more RPGs than are known to newbies |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:27:11
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| a friend of mine baught the Conan book...we don't actually RPG with it...we just use it as optional material to add on to the game...some of it's classes aren't that bad...but it is pricey though (at least in Canadian $) |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:38:10
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| Should I ever buy a new RPG it would be RuneQuest... but I doubt I will. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:42:39
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Should I ever buy a new RPG it would be RuneQuest... but I doubt I will.
thats cool..but the idea is still there, that armour still gives damage reduction...
remember the old "weapon damage type vs armour type" like piercing vs chain and bludgeoning vs plate? maybe a damage reduction like "DR 2/piercing"...
that house rule should balance the warriors vs the others...and give them a bit more of a higher survivability rate |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 16:46:08
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| I'll consider it...first I gotta see how the old characters fare against their young clones |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 00:52:31
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Originally posted by Kalin Agrivar
and it is not about forcing them to do other things..it's common sense...if choose light armour for speed, and two weapons for the extra attack, expect to have a low AC and role play accordingly...every character have strengths and weaknesses...more speed and attacks:less defence
I think the trap is, as a DM, to almost "Monty Haul" them with protective items to cover their weaknesses...thus unbalancing the game...
Agreed, this is an important point to remember.
As an aside, taking down a beholder in two rounds - ouch.  |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:26:54
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Originally posted by Reefy
As an aside, taking down a beholder in two rounds - ouch.
It was an arena style combat, as such it cannot be rated as a true combat encounter, of course I will try to rip the PCs a new one should they ever meet a beholder...plus I will make sure the anti magic ray is focused on the caster(s) |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:28:59
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
It was an arena style combat, as such it cannot be rated as a true combat encounter, of course I will try to rip the PCs a new one should they ever meet a beholder...plus I will make sure the anti magic ray is focused on the caster(s)
did you use the beholder flight advantage to stay out of the way of melee attacks?
I'm also a big fan of using the beholder's charm and telekinesis powers to use other party members as human shields |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:33:52
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| They didn't even close to melee range...phantasmal killer is a ... well...killer if you fail your safe |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:35:41
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
They didn't even close to melee range...phantasmal killer is a ... well...killer if you fail your safe
true enough  |
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- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:43:10
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Originally posted by Kalin Agrivar
did you use the beholder flight advantage to stay out of the way of melee attacks?
I'm also a big fan of using the beholder's charm and telekinesis powers to use other party members as human shields
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I think a beholder is one of the very few monsters that can keep a whole adventure party on the defence for rounds and rounds. great opponent. My players faced a few of them already and they killed only 1 so far. That was not because they could/should not, it was beause they were too scared to actually try in honest....  |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 15:56:17
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
I think a beholder is one of the very few monsters that can keep a whole adventure party on the defence for rounds and rounds. great opponent. My players faced a few of them already and they killed only 1 so far. That was not because they could/should not, it was beause they were too scared to actually try in honest....
the beholder is one of the few monsters left I have seen experience players still fear...even compared to fiends and dragons...
in Spelljammer that is a monster called a thagar (sp?), also known as the beholder eater...a CN aberration immune to about all the beholder's powers, we befriended a family of them in one campaign to assult a beholder city in the Greypeaks mountains |
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- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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