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Nokom
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 22:05:43
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Is tere anyway to magicaly change races? (Sorry if this is dumb :)
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 22:12:01
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Player's Handbook 2 has a whole section where you can retrain (Feats, Class Abilities, Skills, and such) and/or Rebuild (Class, Race, Sex, and such) your character. They involve quests and work with them. It has two such adventures.
The Wizard site has a couple of adventures or ideas that go with rebuilds and retrainings, like Sean K Reynolds Alterntive Deck of Many Things. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Nokom
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 02:27:55
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| I was hoping to change my half-orc to human. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 02:49:40
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Originally posted by Nokom
I was hoping to change my half-orc to human.
There are some interesting possibilities in Dragons of Faerun. (I won't say what they are...You'll have to buy the book :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 03:52:09
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Originally posted by Nokom
I was hoping to change my half-orc to human.
You could die, and hope for a lucky reincarnation... That's about the only method I can think of, off the top of my head.
Out of curiousity, why is this change desired? Is it something the character wants, and if so, why? Or is it something you, the player, want for your character? |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 03 Aug 2006 03:53:30 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 03:53:32
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Well reincarnation was one way to change race, but that a random roll and character had to die first *wink* in 2nd.
Polymorph other also was a way to go, if unable to save became the new race. Also 2nd.
In 3.5 Reincarnate still can work, but might need to die a few times (with assosciated level loses) to get desired form.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 03:55:27
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Heh, Kentinal and I had the same idea, at about the same time. They say great minds think alike... That saying has no bearing on this situation, but it is a saying...  |
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Nokom
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 03:56:12
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| Hmm... You see my guy wants to be human. He hates being an orc because he is hated and shuned. He has only one friend and that is a Halfling. He keeps a helm and armour on and says he is a giant human. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 04:12:21
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| Well there is always Wish or Miricle that should work if nothing else does in 3.X. A modified girdle (instead of gender change) also might be an option. A permeriment polymorth enchanted into the girdle. Not sure how I would price it right now, but might be less expensive then a wish. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 05:39:22
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Well reincarnation was one way to change race, but that a random roll and character had to die first *wink* in 2nd.
Polymorph other also was a way to go, if unable to save became the new race. Also 2nd.
In 3.5 Reincarnate still can work, but might need to die a few times (with assosciated level loses) to get desired form.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 06:21:48
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Originally posted by Nokom
Hmm... You see my guy wants to be human. He hates being an orc because he is hated and shuned. He has only one friend and that is a Halfling. He keeps a helm and armour on and says he is a giant human.
Well it seems like you mostly want a cosmetic change, in that case a polymorph spell would solve the problem most of the time, though some powerful wizards and wards could detect this. But until a wish or similar magic came along it would fool 90% of everyone you meet. There is of course also hats of disguise and such that are more easily canceled but also lets you decide on how to look and can be reused later. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 07:15:22
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Originally posted by Nokom
Hmm... You see my guy wants to be human. He hates being an orc because he is hated and shuned. He has only one friend and that is a Halfling. He keeps a helm and armour on and says he is a giant human.
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 12:29:04
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| A hat of disguise is very cheap and could make your half-orc look human for as long as he needs |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 14:16:17
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| Does the Players Handbook II have rules on evolving your character's race as well as their class? |
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Nokom
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 17:28:35
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| Well his size makes it easy to tell he is not human! He is 7 feet tall! |
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Nokom
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 17:48:46
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| On the other hand he also needs to get in a bar that lets no one but humans in. If they find out he is human..... He will lose his head... (The three bars in Arabel) |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 17:51:51
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Then a hat of disguise sounds like a good option. Besides, when he is seven feet tall, few people are going to go up to him and accuse him of anything. With a hat he can take the face and body form he needs and switch between bars so to speak.
As I said, there are methods of seeing through this disguise, but in general he will be OK. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 03:01:34
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Actually it would depend on if the bar is warded against other races, or is guarded with true seeing. Though it does not sound like it is warded against other races, because they would not be able to enter to have head cut off.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 18:46:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You could die, and hope for a lucky reincarnation... That's about the only method I can think of, off the top of my head.
Out of curiousity, why is this change desired? Is it something the character wants, and if so, why? Or is it something you, the player, want for your character?
This brings up something I've long wondered about -- if someone does die and gets reincarnated in a form vastly different from their old one (imagine an elf coming back as a dwarf, or even worse, as an orc!) just how exactly are they supposed to convince they're who they say they are? "Honest, cousin Vartan, I really am Lilthindel! Never mind the gray skin and tusks!"
I imagine that this must get even worse for people of some importance or rank if it happens to them. "Wait, regent Alustriel was killed while riding patrol?" "Yes, and totally devoured save for a finger, but it's okay. We found a druid of Chauntea and they cast reincarnate... and here she is now." And in strolls a seven-foot tall female gnoll... 
Though I'm guessing that in the latter case they'd just get a wish cast on her ASAP. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 18:47:45
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Originally posted by Kalin Agrivar
Does the Players Handbook II have rules on evolving your character's race as well as their class?
Yes it does.
There was also something on the Wizards forum like a deck of many things tha5t allowed you to change your race, class, and whatnot, but man it's as random as all heck. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 19:16:20
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A dispellable way to change the race is Polymorph Any Object ... if your DM allows it.
Cheesy: This can be used to turn an Aasimar into an Angel or Deva or a Tiefling into a Demon, since they are outsiders. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 22:09:13
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| Just have baleful polymorph cast on your character and willingly fail the Fortitude save. The problem is that if after 24 hours you fail the Will save, you lose your memories. But you can use spells/potions/items to boost your Will save so the chances of failing are small. |
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Sep 2008 : 01:29:46
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You could die, and hope for a lucky reincarnation... That's about the only method I can think of, off the top of my head.
Out of curiousity, why is this change desired? Is it something the character wants, and if so, why? Or is it something you, the player, want for your character?
This brings up something I've long wondered about -- if someone does die and gets reincarnated in a form vastly different from their old one (imagine an elf coming back as a dwarf, or even worse, as an orc!) just how exactly are they supposed to convince they're who they say they are? "Honest, cousin Vartan, I really am Lilthindel! Never mind the gray skin and tusks!"
I imagine that this must get even worse for people of some importance or rank if it happens to them. "Wait, regent Alustriel was killed while riding patrol?" "Yes, and totally devoured save for a finger, but it's okay. We found a druid of Chauntea and they cast reincarnate... and here she is now." And in strolls a seven-foot tall female gnoll...
Though I'm guessing that in the latter case they'd just get a wish cast on her ASAP.
She would be the first goodlooking gnoll
A ring or amulet with an "alter self" castable once or twice per day would not be impossible to craft or aquire, but we can safly assume that there is no easy way to change races (either the looks or the entire thing) |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2008 : 20:32:14
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Originally posted by Aureus
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Originally posted by Ardashir
I imagine that this must get even worse for people of some importance or rank if it happens to them. "Wait, regent Alustriel was killed while riding patrol?" "Yes, and totally devoured save for a finger, but it's okay. We found a druid of Chauntea and they cast reincarnate... and here she is now." And in strolls a seven-foot tall female gnoll...
She would be the first goodlooking gnoll
You haven't seen some of the furry costuming I have (seriously, for some reason, a LOT of young ladies like costuming as hyena-gals).
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A ring or amulet with an "alter self" castable once or twice per day would not be impossible to craft or aquire, but we can safly assume that there is no easy way to change races (either the looks or the entire thing)
Hmm, maybe I should harass poor Mister Greenwood with yet more questions politely ask him just how common (and how ell or badly regarded) race-changing is seen in the Realms? |
Edited by - Ardashir on 20 Sep 2008 20:32:49 |
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