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katherinna
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 :  18:33:47  Show Profile  Visit katherinna's Homepage Send katherinna a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
what book should I read if i wanted to read thief realms?


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Wooly Rupert
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I assume you're wanting to read about thieves in the Realms?

I've heard nothing but good things about the Erevis Cale trilogy, and the Rogues series of novels has been pretty popular, too. I've not read any of them, but I know a lot of other scribes like them.

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Snotlord
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 :  20:44:24  Show Profile  Visit Snotlord's Homepage Send Snotlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've read... the Black Smell? No, sorry, the Black Bouquet, and enjoyed it very much. It's a small story about a few scoundrels fighting over a mcguffin, and is set in the Border Kingdoms. A very enjoyable book.

Edit: Forgot about the City of Ravens. Lots of magic here, but Jack is a rogue as good as they come.

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Ignorance Personified
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 :  22:05:55  Show Profile  Visit Ignorance Personified's Homepage Send Ignorance Personified a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
I've heard nothing but good things about the Erevis Cale trilogy, and the Rogues series of novels has been pretty popular, too. I've not read any of them, but I know a lot of other scribes like them.


Yes, the Erevis Cale trilogy by Paul S. Kemp is excellent and one of the three main characters in the series is a thief.

I recommend that you read Shadow Witness first (Book I of Sembia Series) because it features the same characters and is set before the Erevis Cale trilogy (the thief character also has a major role in this book).


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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  00:15:40  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Snotlord

I've read... the Black Smell? No, sorry, the Black Bouquet, and enjoyed it very much. It's a small story about a few scoundrels fighting over a mcguffin, and is set in the Border Kingdoms. A very enjoyable book.



Seconded. I've read all the Rogues novels and enjoyed them.

Haven't read Erevis Cale yet, though.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Snotlord

I've read... the Black Smell? No, sorry, the Black Bouquet, and enjoyed it very much. It's a small story about a few scoundrels fighting over a mcguffin, and is set in the Border Kingdoms. A very enjoyable book.

Specifically, the story takes place in Oeble.

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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  03:12:03  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've read the Rogues novels and liked them pretty well. I noticed nobody has listed the titles for the original poster yet so I'll go ahead and do so...

  • Black Boquet
  • Alabaster Staff
  • Yellow Silk
  • Crimson Gold


I recently started the Erevis Cale trilogy (I'm on book 2 right now; Dawn of Night) and it's excellent.

Anohter book about Rogues that people haven't mentioned yet is Elminster: Making of a Mage (1/3 of the book is rogue-ish)

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  03:29:00  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Bane


Anohter book about Rogues that people haven't mentioned yet is Elminster: Making of a Mage (1/3 of the book is rogue-ish)





True, but it's not really a "rogue book", specifically...a lot of novels have "roguish stuff" in them.

I hear tell Jack Ravenwild from City of Ravens is something of a rogue, but I cannot confirm that since I haven't read that novel yet.

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Kajehase
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Not something of a rogue - class levels in sorcerer aside, he is the epitomised D&D Forgotten Realms rogue.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  05:09:59  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Not something of a rogue - class levels in sorcerer aside, he is the epitomised D&D Forgotten Realms rogue.



Oh, even better.

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Faraer
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  05:19:43  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Read any book that features Torm of Westgate, such as the Shandril's Saga and Shadow of the Avatar series.
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  07:38:32  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One may also want to consider "King Pinch" (if you can still find it - I do not know of it has been reprinted). The principal characters (would not dare to call them "heroes" ) are a gang of thieves.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 :  21:55:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth

One may also want to consider "King Pinch" (if you can still find it - I do not know of it has been reprinted).


Nope. But one can still buy it used.

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Akukakk
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Posted - 27 Jul 2006 :  05:13:22  Show Profile  Visit Akukakk's Homepage Send Akukakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ya, if your interested in thieve's check out all of the Rogues series. Though Yellow Silk is bard/rogue, it is still good. and Everis Cale series is really good also, but u should probably read the sembian series to get the background info on it.
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Conlon
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 :  06:55:05  Show Profile  Visit Conlon's Homepage Send Conlon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought that City of Ravens by Richard Baker was a very entertaining, light read with lots of humour. Check it out!

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Reefy
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 :  16:24:41  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll also back up anyone favouring City of Ravens, it's a good book and Jack Ravenwild is a cool character.
And Faraer is right, Torm of the Knights of Myth Drannor is perhaps *the* rogue to be looking up.

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Twilight
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  07:26:10  Show Profile  Visit Twilight's Homepage Send Twilight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I strongly Recommend The Yellow Silk one of the best FRs I've ever read. The Black Bounquet is good just because Sefris is so Badass
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Victor_ograygor
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  11:23:36  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have read many fantasy books, and i going to say this quietly : The Erevis Cale trilogy!!!!!!!!!

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Thauramarth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  13:17:54  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you can still get hold of it, "King Pinch", by David Cook, features a small gang of thieves.
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Lameth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  16:38:28  Show Profile  Visit Lameth's Homepage Send Lameth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Erevis Cale is a must read.
And you should try The Lost Library of Cormanthyr
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MerrikCale
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read City of Ravens. It was very good.



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RodOdom
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 :  04:27:24  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

read City of Ravens. It was very good.



Seconded !
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scererar
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Many of Salvatores novels feature thief characters. I have especially enjoyed the latest tales of Entreri and Jarlaxle
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 :  23:43:43  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lameth

Erevis Cale is a must read.
And you should try The Lost Library of Cormanthyr



The star of Lost Library was actually a ranger, but since he doubles as an artifact-seeker, that novel could be ideal for lovers of traditional rogue-type characters.

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MerrikCale
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quote:
Originally posted by scererar

Many of Salvatores novels feature thief characters. I have especially enjoyed the latest tales of Entreri and Jarlaxle



Not to steal from Mr. Odom but "seconded".



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quajack
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  03:15:37  Show Profile  Visit quajack's Homepage Send quajack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster's Daughter. In it, there's much thievery afoot.
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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth

One may also want to consider "King Pinch" (if you can still find it - I do not know of it has been reprinted). The principal characters (would not dare to call them "heroes" ) are a gang of thieves.



Great book! Definitly worth the trouble looking for it, IMO.

Has anyone mentioned 'Elminster: making of a mage' yrt?! There is a section deticated to Els roguish history as well.

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ShadowJack
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  12:38:30  Show Profile  Visit ShadowJack's Homepage Send ShadowJack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
THE BLACK BOUQUET

An excellent rogue-ish novel in my opinion. I loved this novel! Whoever said it before was right; Sefris is a badass, despicable, but a great villian... The thief in the book is one of my favorite Realms rogues (why can I not remember his name?) The Realms needs a good thief story focusing on a halfling thief!

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Koushiro
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  22:15:59  Show Profile  Visit Koushiro's Homepage Send Koushiro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Alabaster Staff was a pretty good rogue novel in my opinion, and as a bonus it is set in a rather undercovered but important part of the realms.
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  23:32:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Koushiro

The Alabaster Staff was a pretty good rogue novel in my opinion, and as a bonus it is set in a rather undercovered but important part of the realms.



And unlike the other protagonists in the Rogue series, the star rogue in that book actually gives everything she takes back to others, to her own detriment. One can correctly state that that's incredibly stupid on her part (she is too good for her own good), but I liked it because it's so different from the rogues one normally sees.

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scererar
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Koushiro

The Alabaster Staff was a pretty good rogue novel in my opinion, and as a bonus it is set in a rather undercovered but important part of the realms.



And unlike the other protagonists in the Rogue series, the star rogue in that book actually gives everything she takes back to others, to her own detriment. One can correctly state that that's incredibly stupid on her part (she is too good for her own good), but I liked it because it's so different from the rogues one normally sees.



Kind of robinhood-ish. I liked this one. good storyline
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