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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 :  00:45:09  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by msatran

Thank you, Rin. :)




You're welcome. I think it's nice when people just speak their minds.

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GothicDan
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I very much liked Waterdeep, too. As far as regional sourcebooks go, it's one of my favorites, along with Silver Marches and Shining South. Of course, I really liked LEoF and Serpent Kingdoms and Races of Faerun, too. Sure, there was more crunch than I would have liked in some, but it's 3E - what'chya' gonna' do, no matter who the author is? ;)

And yes... Some of us like lore for playing the game just as much as mechanics, if not more!

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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD

Edited by - GothicDan on 13 Jul 2006 01:08:25
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Reefy
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 :  01:33:43  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage  Click to see Reefy's MSN Messenger address Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've yet to see a copy of Mysteries of the Moonsea, but am currently not inclined to purchase it. Lack of funds for one, and Final Gate and Blackstaff are both much higher up my list of priorities.
I feel City of Splendors and Silver Marches are the best regional sourcebooks in terms of format, but particularly the former.
My other personal favourites are Races of Faerūn and Lost Empires of Faerūn.
That said I'm generally easy to please and can find good in most things.

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GothicDan
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I can find bad and good in most things, but when the bad heavily outweighs the good, it's usually best to try to decrease the proliferation of the bad then try to just keep the status quo of the good.

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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
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scererar
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Well so far it appears that LEoF seems to have the most votes for the most useful 3E sourcebook companion to the FRSC (through general consesus here).

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scererar
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quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

I can find bad and good in most things, but when the bad heavily outweighs the good, it's usually best to try to decrease the proliferation of the bad then try to just keep the status quo of the good.



Gothic Dan, I like your reply here. I agree, it is great to be able to find both good and bad in things, but even better to consentrate on the positives.

I have a co-worker who sits next to me at work.. and today I asked him what was wrong? he stated, "I am sitting here trying to make myself depressed".... he was having a good day

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GothicDan
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Well, let's say something is, in one's opinion, 10% good and 90% bad. If you praise the good as equally as you critique the bad, it rather makes one think that in all actuality you were 50-50% with a product you were certainly not on.

But maybe I'm too logical about things; most people aren't. I prefer it when people slap me in the face with what they perceive to be my faults. An example - thanks to Winterfox for ripping apart my attempt at a short story - no sarcasm at all. It was my first attempt at writing actual fiction in years, and I see I am quite rusty, and was headed in the wrong direction!

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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD
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Reefy
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 :  15:08:58  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage  Click to see Reefy's MSN Messenger address Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

Well, let's say something is, in one's opinion, 10% good and 90% bad. If you praise the good as equally as you critique the bad, it rather makes one think that in all actuality you were 50-50% with a product you were certainly not on.

But maybe I'm too logical about things; most people aren't. I prefer it when people slap me in the face with what they perceive to be my faults. An example - thanks to Winterfox for ripping apart my attempt at a short story - no sarcasm at all. It was my first attempt at writing actual fiction in years, and I see I am quite rusty, and was headed in the wrong direction!



Indeed. Constructive criticism is good, because you can build from that. If you don't point out the less good, things will never improve. Just slating things has no point though.

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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 :  21:34:19  Show Profile  Visit BARDOBARBAROS's Homepage Send BARDOBARBAROS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Races of Faerun

BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!


"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2)
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Alystra Illianniis
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It was a toss-up between RoF and Underdark, but I went with Underdark as it has helped me come up with great stuff for my current story. (I should call it a novel due to length, lol!) Currently thinking about using a glaming somewhere....

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Zireael
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 :  08:33:13  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Underdark, since I game almost exclusively there. Player's Guide to Faerun would be second (the lists of regional feats to which I often refer).

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Quale
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for me it's Power of Faerun (except Inferno is useless)

I'd vote for Lords of Darkness but there's Cloak and Dagger

the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 :  22:03:50  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Quale


the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful



I dunno about that... The genasi section gave me an idea when I really needed one, and I like the fey'ri section, as well.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Quale

the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful

Granted, it does have errors, but I think coupling this section with past edition resources, like Demihumans of the Realms, makes RoF a considerable source of Realmslore.

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Quale
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It's the way I play these races, elves are like in mythology, not everywhere, there's a sense of awe when you see them, dwarves as well. Gnomes, only one type are interesting, the inventors. Orcs are obvious, why waste pages on them, halflings are hobbits. The planetouched are solitary creatures and adapt to the culture they are raised in. Fey'ri are in Cloak and Dagger.

Tough the races from UE, Undardark and Champions of Ruin are far more useless.
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Asharak
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  12:11:40  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Quale

the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful

Granted, it does have errors, but I think coupling this section with past edition resources, like Demihumans of the Realms, makes RoF a considerable source of Realmslore.



Well, I love Races of Faerūn but it's not the first time I read it have errors.

Can you be more explicit?

"Soyez réalistes : demandez l'impossible"

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 :  02:07:03  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I particularly enjoyed the section on half-elves and half-drow in that book, as well as the fey-ri and lycanthropes.

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

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idilippy
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I liked the Fey'ri section as well, since I thought they would make great enemies for a campaign. As for the most useful 3.5e book, it depends heavily on the campaign but currently I think Lost Empires of Faerun is helping me out the most with a campaign I'm running at the moment. Even when it isn't directly aiding a campaign it's an interesting book full of great lore in my opinion.
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Asharak
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 :  19:42:50  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Quale

the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful

Granted, it does have errors, but I think coupling this section with past edition resources, like Demihumans of the Realms, makes RoF a considerable source of Realmslore.



Well, I love Races of Faerūn but it's not the first time I read it have errors.

Can you be more explicit?



Does anyone known this errors or where / which are better source of information about races?

"Soyez réalistes : demandez l'impossible"

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Quale
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I don't know about the nonhumans, but the human cultures were simplified and different than in Dragon Annual 4
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Quale

the nonhuman parts of Races of Faerun are not useful

Granted, it does have errors, but I think coupling this section with past edition resources, like Demihumans of the Realms, makes RoF a considerable source of Realmslore.



Well, I love Races of Faerūn but it's not the first time I read it have errors.

Can you be more explicit?



Does anyone known this errors or where / which are better source of information about races?

Sorry, Asharak. I didn't see this earlier. I'll dig out my notes on the subject.

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Asharak
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Posted - 29 Jan 2011 :  16:31:19  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Sorry, Asharak. I didn't see this earlier. I'll dig out my notes on the subject.



Lost in the Ethereal?

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Quale
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Another error was the wood elves who were formed from the mix of other elven subraces, that is not possible in 1e/2e lore cause elves inherit their subrace from just one parent.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Quale

Another error was the wood elves who were formed from the mix of other elven subraces, that is not possible in 1e/2e lore cause elves inherit their subrace from just one parent.

It seems that the issue many have with the origins of the wood elves and wild elves in 3e is based on previous lore -- the fact that most of the 1e/2e FR sourcebooks make the connection between wild and wood elves and how they were essentially the same race. Elaine Cunningham's novels during 2e that feature wood/wild elven characters also portray this and she has made comments about it here at Candlekeep.

Then in 3e, we have Races of Faerūn telling us that in the aftermath of the savage Crown Wars, it was then that the green elves went in one of two racial directions -- leading to the split in 1e/2e Green/Wood/Wild Elves that we now see in 3e. Some stayed kind of wild and remained greens, or civilised a touch and became wood [copper] elves.

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Artemas Entreri
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I always loved the Forgetten Realms Adventures...great info on cities and deities

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