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Neo2151
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Posted - 12 Jul 2011 :  12:12:43  Show Profile  Send Neo2151 an AOL message Send Neo2151 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


All FR novels in amazon.com are MIS-labelled with YA reading level.


To be totally fair, how do you mean "mis-labeled?"

What I mean to say is that, in my experience with the Realms (which, up until the time jump for 4th Edition, was about 15 books shy of all of them!) there were only a handful of "Adult" themed stories and/or novels.
I'll go ahead and say Greenwood is about the only author who really does any adult writing for the Realms, and by the standards of an "adult" tag, he's usually pretty tame about it (sure, there were a couple really dark stories that Salvatore gave us about Wulfgar, but those only lasted for a few books.) Any sexual themes (at all!) are done by Greenwood and pretty much nobody else, and all the violence is very PG to PG13 at worst.

So, take this with a grain of salt if you want, or call me jaded (and believe me, I am!) but if I want "adult themed fantasy" I'm not coming to the Forgotten Realms to get it. I'll be in Westeros or Hyboria.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jul 2011 :  13:04:21  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Neo2151

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


All FR novels in amazon.com are MIS-labelled with YA reading level.


To be totally fair, how do you mean "mis-labeled?"

What I mean to say is that, in my experience with the Realms (which, up until the time jump for 4th Edition, was about 15 books shy of all of them!) there were only a handful of "Adult" themed stories and/or novels.
I'll go ahead and say Greenwood is about the only author who really does any adult writing for the Realms, and by the standards of an "adult" tag, he's usually pretty tame about it (sure, there were a couple really dark stories that Salvatore gave us about Wulfgar, but those only lasted for a few books.) Any sexual themes (at all!) are done by Greenwood and pretty much nobody else, and all the violence is very PG to PG13 at worst.

So, take this with a grain of salt if you want, or call me jaded (and believe me, I am!) but if I want "adult themed fantasy" I'm not coming to the Forgotten Realms to get it. I'll be in Westeros or Hyboria.



There's a difference between something being adult or not, and young adult. Young adult often implies teenaged readers, while saying something is adult often implies not only a mature audience, but one that is willing to read about sex and/or dark themes. There is a middle ground, and that's where most FR fiction falls.

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Neo2151
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Posted - 12 Jul 2011 :  13:30:40  Show Profile  Send Neo2151 an AOL message Send Neo2151 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's a difference between something being adult or not, and young adult. Young adult often implies teenaged readers, while saying something is adult often implies not only a mature audience, but one that is willing to read about sex and/or dark themes. There is a middle ground, and that's where most FR fiction falls.


What's the official categorization for such a group? Because for the life of me, I wasn't aware there was an official age group between "Young Adult" and "Adult"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-adult_fiction

My point was that FR very easily falls under a Young Adult tag, and was simply pointing that out.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Neo2151

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's a difference between something being adult or not, and young adult. Young adult often implies teenaged readers, while saying something is adult often implies not only a mature audience, but one that is willing to read about sex and/or dark themes. There is a middle ground, and that's where most FR fiction falls.


What's the official categorization for such a group? Because for the life of me, I wasn't aware there was an official age group between "Young Adult" and "Adult"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-adult_fiction

My point was that FR very easily falls under a Young Adult tag, and was simply pointing that out.



Your link explains it. YA is 14-21. Most FR novels do not target that specific audience -- but they also don't specifically target the audience that wants sex and/or mature themes, which is what "adult" fiction generally entails. We're not talking age groups, we're talking labels -- unless you're going to accept that 14 year olds are adults.

So if you're not targeting only teenagers, and you're not targeting only people who want sex and dark themes, then there is in fact a middle ground.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 12 Jul 2011 :  15:23:25  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Neo2151

I'll go ahead and say Greenwood is about the only author who really does any adult writing for the Realms, and by the standards of an "adult" tag, he's usually pretty tame about it (sure, there were a couple really dark stories that Salvatore gave us about Wulfgar, but those only lasted for a few books.) Any sexual themes (at all!) are done by Greenwood and pretty much nobody else, and all the violence is very PG to PG13 at worst.
Wow, you clearly don't read my novels, I think.

I recommend starting with Ghostwalker. Just the prologue should do it, I think. In fact, here's a free sample: http://www.o-love.net/realms/samples/sam_fig2.pdf

And here's the companion story I wrote for the novel (also free): http://o-love.net/realms/samples/sam_fig2_2.pdf

Also, you might consider some Paul S. Kemp as well. Just a suggestion.

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Neo2151
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Posted - 12 Jul 2011 :  18:21:13  Show Profile  Send Neo2151 an AOL message Send Neo2151 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, you clearly don't read my novels, I think.

I recommend starting with Ghostwalker. Just the prologue should do it, I think. In fact, here's a free sample: http://www.o-love.net/realms/samples/sam_fig2.pdf

And here's the companion story I wrote for the novel (also free): http://o-love.net/realms/samples/sam_fig2_2.pdf

Also, you might consider some Paul S. Kemp as well. Just a suggestion.

Cheers


No need to continue to be off-topic so instead you have a PM, sir!

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Elsenrail
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http://www.amazon.com/Masked-Witches-Brotherhood-Griffon-Book/dp/0786959827/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312144165&sr=1-2

Cover for the novel. :) I like it, but is seems to be very dark- are these the wychlaran?
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 :  08:36:29  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

An intriguing title. An interesting blurb. A really cool cover. I can't wait to read it!

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skychrome
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  00:53:25  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, I did not know there were to be more than 3 books! Great! Any plans for a 5th book or even more?

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by skychrome

Wow, I did not know there were to be more than 3 books! Great! Any plans for a 5th book or even more?



Richard said it's going to be six books.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  03:27:04  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Six minimum, fingers crossed for even more.
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skychrome
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  05:09:54  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Six minimum, fingers crossed for even more.



Excellent! Do you basically build new stories with the same crew from book to book, or do you have a greater scheme in mind that unites all the books?

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Elsenrail
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  12:06:40  Show Profile Send Elsenrail a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Six minimum, fingers crossed for even more.



Glad to hear that. Can't wait! :)
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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Six minimum, fingers crossed for even more.



Wow. That's great! So maybe we'll be seeing a dozen?

I know I said it before, but I just can't say it quite enough...May you venture back to Thay. It's been awhile since we've seen a Thay-centered series. I heard Bob is touching a little on the famous realm of undead (Szass Tam scheming in Gauntlgrym); but I'm having a feeling Drizzt and Co. will not set foot on Thay. Drizzt killed a thousand orcs; but I doubt he could handle a thousand tireless undead.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 :  14:53:47  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
skychrome: So far (and by so far, I mean from The Haunted Lands through Brotherhood of the Griffon #6), I'm telling three-volume stories, but with ongoing subplots that run through the whole saga. I don't really have a master plan for Aoth's entire career. I come up with an idea for the next story when I need one. Given the nature of this particular series, I don't see any advantage to steering toward some predetermined endpoint. Even though Cera believes that the gods have sometimes used Aoth as their agent, he's emphatically not a character in the Elric mode moving inexorably toward a Destiny or a Doom.

The three-volume story isn't something that WotC has required. But since they contract for three BptG books at a time, it's natural for me to think in those terms.

Dennis: For obvious reasons, Thay is the last place that Aoth and his comrades want to return to. But that doesn't mean they won't ever have to. We'll see.
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Dennis
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Perhaps they could enter incognito? Though the problem would be to get a very powerful illusionist to hide them... Maybe one of the masked witches?

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jornan
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Six Books with the possibility of more! That is fantastic news, as I am really enjoying the series and can't wait for book four to come out.

Mr. Byers, why is it that you are able to release these books so quickly, whereas other authors (I know some just can't write them that fast)such as Paul S. Kemp have lamented how slowly his books are being released?
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skychrome
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

skychrome: So far (and by so far, I mean from The Haunted Lands through Brotherhood of the Griffon #6), I'm telling three-volume stories, but with ongoing subplots that run through the whole saga. I don't really have a master plan for Aoth's entire career. I come up with an idea for the next story when I need one. Given the nature of this particular series, I don't see any advantage to steering toward some predetermined endpoint. Even though Cera believes that the gods have sometimes used Aoth as their agent, he's emphatically not a character in the Elric mode moving inexorably toward a Destiny or a Doom.

The three-volume story isn't something that WotC has required. But since they contract for three BptG books at a time, it's natural for me to think in those terms.



Thanks for the answer Richard! Sounds very good, really looking forward to it! I think a trilogy is always one of the best options to really built an interesting story in the realms (with a few exceptions like for example Black Bouquet, which I really loved as stand alone).

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 :  13:05:05  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
jornan: I would answer your question if I knew the answer, but I don't. I have no idea what goes into the decision-making when the publisher is figuring out how to handle the work of other writers. Some of the time, I don't even understand why the publisher is handling my work in a particular way. All I can tell you is that a while back, I asked if my novels could come out faster than they had been, and WotC said okay.
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Tyrant
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

jornan: I would answer your question if I knew the answer, but I don't. I have no idea what goes into the decision-making when the publisher is figuring out how to handle the work of other writers. Some of the time, I don't even understand why the publisher is handling my work in a particular way. All I can tell you is that a while back, I asked if my novels could come out faster than they had been, and WotC said okay.


I'm certainly glad that you asked to have them released faster because I like the accelerated release schedule.

Looking around Amazon I saw that the cover art for Venom In Her Veins is up. I like it.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

jornan: I would answer your question if I knew the answer, but I don't. I have no idea what goes into the decision-making when the publisher is figuring out how to handle the work of other writers. Some of the time, I don't even understand why the publisher is handling my work in a particular way. All I can tell you is that a while back, I asked if my novels could come out faster than they had been, and WotC said okay.



It appears like only your novels are published that fast. Which I really like. Waiting is excruciating.

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Tyrant
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I found a couple new listings on Amazon, one of which I am fairly certain is a FR book and the other I would say has a decent chance of being one. The first is Prince of Ravens by Richard Baker, which I assume is a sequel to City of Ravens. It's currently listed as a Kindle release for whatever that's worth. The book has a July 3rd release date. The other, which I suspect is a FR given the author (and it's being released by WotC, to be clear) is The Gilded Rune by Lisa Smedman. A number of her D&D books have been FR books, so that is why I am assuming this one is as well. Though she has also been involved in a number of Ravenloft products in the past looking over her Amazon listings so maybe we will see something new on that front. Her books is listed as a paperback. Her book also has a July 3rd release date, which may cast doubt on it being a FR book as I don't believe they release 2 on the same day.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
-The Sith Code

Teenage Sith zombies, Tulkh thought-how in the moons of Bogden had it all started? Every so often, the universe must just get bored and decide to really cut loose. -Star Wars: Red Harvest
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jornan
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Posted - 20 Oct 2011 :  21:59:29  Show Profile  Click to see jornan's MSN Messenger address Send jornan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
City of Ravens sequel ebook only.....for $#@&

Edited by - jornan on 20 Oct 2011 21:59:57
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skychrome
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quote:
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City of Ravens sequel ebook only.....for $#@&



Might be something else than a sequel... Cannot find any information on this in the web except release date. Wizards page states nothing neither...

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jornan
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Richard Baker made mention on his blog a while back that he was working on a sequel. I really wanted it in good old fashioned book format, but will buy an ebook if I have to if it means Jack Ravenwild!
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