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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 :  18:48:15  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I went through the FR products I have and made a list of wizards that had spells named after them. There are 37 that I found compared to the 13 in the PHB. I wondered if there was any lore available on these wizards... just out of curiosity.

the more famous ones that i know have extensive lore written about them are:

  • Laeral
  • Khelben
  • Elminster
  • Srinshee
  • Simbul



the ones i dnt really know anything about are....


  • Nybor
  • Horizikaul
  • Shelgarn
  • Kaupaer
  • Igedrazzar
  • Aganazzar
  • Gedlee
  • Snilloc
  • Balagarn
  • Mestil
  • Tirumael
  • Darsson
  • Ghorus Toth
  • Grimwald
  • Lutzaen
  • Zajimarn
  • Alamanther
  • Kyristan
  • Mycontil
  • Theskyn
  • Nezram
  • Sakkratar
  • Shalantha
  • Nchaser
  • Ilykur
  • Caligarde
  • Sinsabur
  • Presper
  • Beltyn




as an aside what happened to the amazing spell Larloch's minor drain?

"You came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory... instead you will die with a whimper."
::moussaoui tries to interrupt::
"You will never get a chance to speak again and that's an appropriate ending."

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Edited by - Beirnadri Magranth on 14 Apr 2006 19:07:34

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Laogzed is a deity, specifically of troglodytes. See Monster Mythology and Serpent Kingdoms.

The vast majority of the others come from the superb Pages From The Mages and the Old Gray Box. A handful of others come from other sources, such as Nezram's appearance in LEoF. A handful of them(Mycontil especially is ringing bells) come from the Netheril boxed set, which is a free download from Wizards.

Finally, for some reason I'm thinking Larloch's minor drain was created solely for the Baldur's Gate games.
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 :  19:07:09  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ok im getting rid of laogzed bc im not including deities
second, is there any way to get the pages of mages i know ive heard of it before
and i thought mycontil was just a halruaan council member or something from Shining south

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::moussaoui tries to interrupt::
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quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
second, is there any way to get the pages of mages i know ive heard of it before


It should be available as a PDF at places like paizo.com, or you could try Noble Knight for a hard copy.

quote:

and i thought mycontil was just a halruaan council member or something from Shining south



That might be true; I might have gotten a few mages mixed up.
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Nice idea. I've always felt you've really made it as a mage when you start naming spells after yourself.

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My NPC file, see my sig, has all the 21st+ mages from 1e and 2e that were given stats that I could fine in the material that I own. Which is all but one FR sourcebook and then some Dungeons and Polyhedrons. :)

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Erutan
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Hi, could someone talk more about Aganazzar, or tell where i can find something on him...
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George Krashos
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Ahhh, Agannazar of the Covenant. A guy near and dear to my heart. I've posted this before, but here is an Ed and Eric-assisted history of the mage cabal which contains some info on this fellow:

The Covenant was formed in 673 DR when the four most powerful (of their time) mages of the North came together in common purpose to safeguard the future of human settlement in the North. The Four Founders, as they are known, had all suffered at the hands of orcs. The mages Agannazar and Grimwald had suffered loss in the depredations of the Everhorde around Neverwinter in 611 DR. Their fellow archmage Ilyykur, had seen his holdings in the Greypeak Mountains plundered by the Horde of the Wastes in 614 DR. Similarly, the mage Presper had lost his wife and daughter to roving orc raiders in 624 DR.
When the last ruler of the Kingdom of Man died without an heir in the Year of the Triton’s Horn (697 DR), the land of Delimbiyran splintered into a patchwork of small realms. These small holdings were scattered throughout the Dessarin Valley and formed around surviving nobles of Delimbiyran and other strong individuals who seized the chance to carve out a kingdom with their sword. The slaughter inflicted on the orcs of the North by their pyrrhic victories over Phalorm and the Kingdom of Man, had afforded the small realms and holdings that formed in the wake of Delimbiyran an opportunity to prepare and guard against the inevitable time when the orcs would come again. The leaders of the Covenant recognized that human civilization needed time to build its power and prosperity against the next destructive tide of goblinkin and saw its salvation in the orc-hating, Uthgardt tribes of the North.
In the Year of Watchful Eyes (705 DR), Argloar and Ultatht “Oldbones”, then the chieftains of the Black Lion and Sky Pony tribes respectively, were awed by the spectacular spells of Agannazar of the Covenant. With his Art, he single-handedly destroyed an onrushing orc horde that streamed forth from the Lurkwood, although in truth he was joined in battle by over a score Covenant mages who were cloaked by invisibility. These two proud Uthgardt were cowed by the display and agreed to refrain from raiding, feuding, and skirmishing with each other as was customary amongst the Uthgardt. In the past, such conflict had drained away their best warrior blood, leaving their tribes too weak to prevent the next orc horde from flooding across the North in yet another destructive tide. With one alliance secured, the Covenant worked to forge others.
From that time, the mages of the Covenant whispered almost continuously into the minds of the mightiest warriors and shamans of the Black Lion, Sky Pony, Red Tiger and Thunderbeast Uthgardt tribes. Through their Art they manipulated a peace and alliance between the oft-warring tribes aimed at making them, in the words of Agannazar, a “human wall against all goblinkin”. Their efforts were soon to be rewarded. This alliance of Uthgardt tribes is known to have shattered and blunted a whelming horde near the headwaters of the Surbrin in 729 DR, and was responsible for the hunting down and slaying of no less than two-score orcish chieftains in the early 700s DR.
After this time, the mages of the Covenant no longer used spectacular spells to awe and cow the Uthgardt tribesmen and spoke less and less often into the minds of their leaders. Instead, they turned to towards the founding of a “school for shamans” that they hoped their apprentices would carry on, posing as ancestor spirits and guiding the Uthgardt shamans into keeping their tribes allied in common purpose against the orcs and their kin. Initially, this plan of controlling the Uthgardt through their shamans seemed to work well and freed the Covenant mages to pursue their own ends via different methods. The passing of the years however saw cracks emerge in the tribal alliances that had served so well to keep the goblinkin in check. Firstly, the role of bulwark against the humanoid hordes began to place a great strain on the manpower of the tribes. The Goblin Wars that commenced in the Year of Strife (753 DR) saw the warriors of the Red Tiger and Thunderbeast tribes almost decimated by the goblin hordes that streamed out of the Valley of Khedrun. The Black Lion and Sky Pony tribes fared better but still suffered greatly from orc bands that would raid almost continuously south from the Moonwood and Lurkwood. With its best warriors falling, and with them the future of the tribes, the Uthgardt alliance began to falter and was soon shattered by the thing it feared most: civilization.
The actions of the Covenant and its manipulation of the Uthgardt had succeeded in giving the humans who had survived the fall of Delimbiyran, the Kingdom of Man, the breathing space to consolidate their power and holdings in the North. Initially hesitant, humans began to believe that the orcs had been defeated forever and soon surged northward to settle new lands. The founding of the city of Mirabar in 626 DR by the aged and wandering Prince Ereskas of Amn attracted many settlers displaced by the fall of Phalorm and proved to all that the inhospitable North could be tamed. In time humans formed other realms, the most famous being Stornanter which was founded in 806 DR by the famed Laeral, the Witch-Queen of the North. The encroachment of human settlement began to unravel the alliance of Uthgardt tribes that the Covenant had so carefully constructed. To the Uthgardt, other humans were just as dangerous as the orcs and altogether more frightening. By the Year of the Patchworked Peace (802 DR) the Uthgardt had returned to their nomadic ways and warred on all who traversed their lands, orcs, goblins or humans, whether Uthgardt or not.
With the collapse of the Uthgardt alliance, the mages of the Covenant began to work with the burgeoning realms of the North in order to unite them against the goblinkin threat. Whilst many holdings and kingdoms paid lip service to the counsel given by Covenant mages, they sought only to use this group to gain an ascendancy over neighbors and enemies. Hamstrung by their refusal to seize power and unite the North by force, the Covenant could find no ruler who had the power, respect and personality to bring the humans of the Northlands together. This was especially so when Laeral, a charismatic and admired leader, mysteriously disappeared in 841 DR leaving her realm in chaos and leading to its swift demise as squabbling nobles and neighboring rivalry tore it apart.
The humans of the North were treated to a rude awakening however in the Year of the Sky Riders (936DR). The orcs of Uruth Ukrypt swept down from their warrens in the Sword Mountains and overran the patchwork of human-ruled lands in the western reaches of the Dessarin Valley. Scared into action, the humans of the region banded together under the leadership of Nimoar of Waterdeep and smashed the orcish armies in the Orcfastings War, helped in no small part by a cadre of battle wizards furnished by the leaders of the Covenant. This alliance led to further cooperation during the Second Troll War in 940 DR. Whereas in the First Troll War in 932 DR Nimoar and the forces of Waterdeep had faced the trolls alone, when Warlord Gharl proclaimed his intention to end the threat of the “everlasting ones” forever, his call to arms did not go unheeded. Forces from Silverymoon under War Captain Aeroth joined with armsmen from Illusk under Lord Galnorn and a host of warriors from other holdings and small realms to fight alongside Gharl on the barren Evermoors and bring fiery doom upon the trolls. It appeared that the humans of the Northlands were finally learning to cooperate and band together against a common foe.
Elated at the response of the kingdoms of the North to the threat of the trolls, the Covenant seized upon the mood of the time to whelm them against the eternal threat of the orcs. When scrying Covenant mages discovered a vast orc horde forming deep within the northern mountains, they alerted the rulers of the North to the impending threat and roused them for battle. And so it was in the Year of the Telltale Candle (955 DR) that a host of human armies joined together north of present-day Triboar at the invitation of the Covenant. Such armed might had not been arrayed since the time of fabled Phalorm and the mages of the Covenant looked on with satisfaction, confident that they were witnessing the dawn of a new age of unity and cooperation throughout the Northlands.
For over a tenday they waited, eager for battle and prepared for the impending slaughter, but the orcs did not come. At first the warriors jested that they had scared the orcs back into their mountain caves, but soon rivalries and age-long fears came to the fore. Who was protecting their homes and farms? Which realm or settlement had sent only a token force whilst planning to usurp the holdings of their rivals? As tempers flared and the orcs failed to march, the Covenant saw its dream die. Their counsel of patience was rebuffed and the Four Founders were accused of supporting some human realms in preference to others. The end came all too soon. Slowly at first, but with increasing swiftness, the humans turned and marched for home in what sages would dub “the March of Fools”. As they trudged away they heaped curses and insults on the “lackspells” of the Covenant who had apparently misled and deceived them.
The events of that dark tenday almost tore the Covenant asunder. Baffled by the failure of the orcish horde to appear, the most powerful wizards of the Covenant searched for answers and their powerful divinations found them many hundreds of leagues to the south. A massive army of orcs was laying waste to half a hundred cities and realms stretching from the Shaar to the plains of Mulhorand in what sages would soon call the Great Rising of the Orcgates. How the orcs had come so far from their mountain caverns in the North was soon revealed. Thayan archmages, fearing for the security of their fledgling nation, had opened a series of portals and lured the orcs through to ravage the South in a pre-emptive strike against their rivals, both near and far. Seeing their carefully laid plans in tatters, many members of the Covenant swore vengeance against the Red Wizards.
Thus began the conflict between the mages of the Covenant and Thay. Secretly at first, but with ever-increasing boldness, the Covenant hunted and slew a host of Red Wizards. Those in power in Thay took several winters to discover who or what was culling their ranks with such singleminded persistence but with the hand of the Covenant revealed, the Red Wizards quickly marshaled all of their Art and hurled it at them. Many mages of the Covenant perished in that first, fell assault including the wizard and senior Covenant member Alamanth. He was slain in battle on a ship off Port Llast, arrogantly sporting a wand of whips he had stripped from a Red Wizard he had slain. The sorceress Phelanshalee was banished from Faerun by a curse that traps her to this day on another plane save when the moon is full. Also destroyed was the senior Covenant mage Karsosh “Steelspell” Linthorn who was vanquished by the fiery breath of the great red wyrm Ondorlathlar, the charmed steed of the powerful Red Wizard Eradis of the Scarlet Talon. Many junior Covenant members and apprentices were also slain in this first savage flurry of spellhurling but both the Covenant and the Red Wizards soon settled into a stalemate of attrition.
The years passed with each side failing to deliver a telling blow despite many spellbattles, ambuscades and even a few formal duels between Covenant mages and their counterpart Red Wizards. It is thought however that the confrontation with the Covenant served as the catalyst for the formation of the Council of Zulkirs in Thay, as this magocracy sought to consolidate and enhance its power and influence. Sages and historians alike have pondered on whether a fragmented and decentralized Thay would have survived its future confrontations with such diverse groups as the Harpers, Rashemen and the sleeping giant of Mulhorand had it not been for the Covenant and the changes they brought about.
The death of Ilyykur in the Year of the Deluded Tyrant (1063DR) saw the balance finally tilt toward the Red Wizards. The mage Ruelve, an archlich and senior Covenant member, had been driven insane after investigating some items of power left behind in his abode, the Green Tower, on a small island southwest of Ruathym. These items, believed to be artifacts from other worlds, had been collected by the planewalking wizard Thulnath, the builder and former owner of the Green Tower. The mad Ruelve began to send magical missives to other Covenant mages urging them to join him in developing spells to raise new continents and flood the current ones, “scouring fair Faerun of the contagion that the passing history of the rise of the brutish have left over the lands”. When challenged by other senior Covenant wizards led by Ilyykur, Ruelve responded with a flurry of spells and the ensuing spellbattle saw the death of Ilyykur and reduced Ruelve to a twisted undead wreck bound within the Green Tower.
As the full fury of the Red Wizards of Thay was brought to bear on the Covenant, Agannazar, Presper and Grimwald were hounded into flight from their abodes and refuges whilst their apprentices and other less powerful Covenant wizards were swiftly overwhelmed. With their membership decimated and scattered, the three remaining leaders of the Covenant commanded that the surviving members go underground and cease all open involvement in the doings of the folk and realms of the North. In addition, Presper and Grimwald resolved to leave Faerun through a series of portals, drawing as many Red Wizards as possible after them into a series of magical traps and ambushes. Agannazar disagreed with this strategy believing that showing such dark mages other worlds to explore, rape the powers of and despoil only allowed them to grow in power and bedevil others. His refusal to flee or hide made him the focus of all Red Wizard assaults and they came for him armed with grim purpose and mighty Art. In the Year of the Disastrous Bauble (1081DR) Agannazar is believed to have gone down fighting in the explosive destruction of the School of Wizadry in Neverwinter. Ere he was torn apart he sent more than a dozen Red Wizards to their dooms including Pharazeen, then the Zulkir of Evocation. Presper and Grimwald departed for other worlds and planes in the Year of the Maelstrom (1101 DR), putting their plan of luring away their foes into action.
With the Four Founders slain or forced to flee, the Covenant disintegrated as many of its members denounced or foreswore their membership. Presper and Grimwald continued to communicate with the few remaining members but over time, the Covenant simply ceased to be. Today, the Covenant is the stuff of legend, however the mage Savengriff has recently returned to the City of Splendors intent upon re-establishing this ultra-secretive cabal of mages. His personal planar explorations brought him into contact with the fugitive founders of the Covenant and Presper and Grimwald tasked him with recruiting like-minded wizards to their cause. His efforts may yet see the Red Wizards of Thay confronted by their age-old enemy in the not too distant future – a conflict which may escalate into the most titanic wizardwar since the ancient days of Netheril and their battles with the sorcerers of Thaeravel.

There is some further info about his residence in Neverwinter, thanks again to Ed, which is posted here also:

Hallowgoyles
Hallowgoyles, a rambling and rather forbidding slate-roofed stone mansion whose walls, parapets, and boundary wall are carved into a riot of leering faces, spires that look like gigantic bats with their arched wings folded together above them, and the like, still stands on Clasparglan Street in Neverwinter. It was built by the early mage of the North Urlthand (remembered today only as the maker of seemingly countless scepters topped with little horned heads, though many of them are undoubtedly the work of his stream of apprentices), later housed the adventuring band known as The Clawed Shield, and after their disappearance (probably under the swords and axes of an orc horde) stood empty for nearly a decade before Agannazar took up residence there. After his (probable) demise, Hallowgoyles stood empty again for some years, doppelgangers slipped in to use it as their lair, and then housed, in rapid succession (thanks to a series of violent and untimely deaths): the Never Flame adventurers, the “Apothecary Mage” Salvrus of the Sixteen Potions (thought to have been slain and then impersonated for years by a young and ambitious Red Wizard), and Iltcrimmus Korothar, a fast-rising priest of Oghma who hoped to found a library of learning there but was torn apart mysteriously one night in the back garden. It now, following a temporary infestation of vampires and several “scourings” by adventurers hired by concerned local citizens, is believed to stand empty again.

Hope this has been useful.

-- George Krashos


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Im suprised the Covenant didnt have a hand in the founding of the Silver Marches

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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  03:58:30  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
PERFECT george! thanks
it covered four of those on my list! thanks!

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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Im suprised the Covenant didnt have a hand in the founding of the Silver Marches



Maybe they did. Maybe they did.
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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Im suprised the Covenant didnt have a hand in the founding of the Silver Marches



Well, I don't think they did - Ilykkur and Agannazar are dead, while Presper and Grimwald have been touring the planes and other worlds, trying to shake the posse of Red Wizards, independent of the Zulkirs, that has dedicated itself to slaying them to avenge ancestors and masters that the Covenant did in years ago. It's only very recently (as noted in "City of Splendors: Waterdeep") that they've looked at perhaps reforming the Covenant. If they were to do so, it's undoubted that they would assist the Silver Marches and would no doubt be a very shadowy but effective foe of Obould's new kingdom.

It is likely however that they have in the past supported (openly and secretly) such individuals as Ahghairon, the High Mages of Silverymoon and wizards of Ascalhorn in their fight against the orcs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

I went through the FR products I have and made a list of wizards that had spells named after them. There are 37 that I found compared to the 13 in the PHB. I wondered if there was any lore available on these wizards... just out of curiosity.

the ones i dnt really know anything about are....




Hmm, scanning your list, I can tell you that lore on the majority of the rest of the wizards there is patchy at best. I'll point you to the sources:

Nybor: Mage of Thay obviously. No lore references to him specifically other than his spells.

Horizikaul: Nothing other than spell name.

Shelgarn: Nothing other than spell name.

Igedrazzar: Nothing other than spell name.

Gedlee: Nothing other than spell name.

Snilloc: Pages From the Mages and the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardcover. Information is scant.

Balagarn: Nothing other than spell name.

Mestil: Nothing other than spell name.

Tirumael: Nothing other than spell name.

Darsson: Mage of Halruaa. Pages From the Mages and FR16 Shining South.

Ghorus Toth: Nothing other than spell name.

Lutzaen: Nothing other than spell name.

Zajimarn: Nothing other than spell name.

Alamanther: Mage of Aglarond. Former lover of the Simbul. Slain by the Red Wizards of Thay. Players Guide to Faerûn. Original reference is one of Ed's "Wizards Three" articles in Dragon magazine.

Kyristan: Pages From the Mages.

Mycontil: Former ruler of Halruaa. FR16 Shining South.

Theskyn: Nothing other than spell name.

Nezram: As others have noted: Lost Empires of Faerûn. Original reference is from Pages From the Mages.

Sakkratar: Former Coronal of Cormanthyr. See the Cormanthyr accessory and Fall of Myth Drannor.

Shalantha: Fall of Myth Drannor.

Nchaser: Pages From the Mages, Lost Empires of Faerûn and the sidebar in Magic of Faerûn.

Caligarde: Pages From the Mages and sidebar in Magic of Faerûn.

Sinsabur: Nothing other than spell name.

Beltyn: Pages From the Mages.

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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  16:49:13  Show Profile  Visit Erutan's Homepage Send Erutan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When and how Aganazzar died?
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quote:
Originally posted by Erutan

When and how Aganazzar died?
Tkz


From George's notes above:
quote:
Posted by George Krashos
In the Year of the Disastrous Bauble (1081DR) Agannazar is believed to have gone down fighting in the explosive destruction of the School of Wizadry in Neverwinter.

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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  17:00:33  Show Profile  Visit Erutan's Homepage Send Erutan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ops... Sorry...

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This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 :  00:16:38  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i think it woudl be fun to make histories for some of them, at least igedrazzar and Zajimarn... maybe horizikaul and tirumael as well

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George Krashos
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Oh, and for another tidbit on Shalantha, see her spell "Shalantha's Kiss" in the 'Seven Sisters' accessory.

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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 :  01:29:59  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.

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This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.



As a designer of FR products, you are fortunate to be in the unique position that you can take these one-off references and do more with them, adding meat to the bones as it were. Next FR project you get, you may consider delving into these barebones references that are scattered throughout a hundred products (if you need a few, feel free to drop me a line) and having some fun with them. Of course, IMHO, the very best FR writers also add some more of these 'throwaway' liitle bits of realmslore in their writings also. It's like tending a forest. For every tree you cut down, three should be planted.

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Edited by - George Krashos on 17 Apr 2006 01:32:45
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Well said, George! Your words deserve to be shouted by heralds from battlements! Thank you!
I'd thank you personally and properly, but Ed tells me you're very happily married.
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omg!!!! no way! hahahaha i had figured out by myself last year that drawmij's instant summons was jim ward backwrads... with a name like snillo we really shoudl have known haha
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oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.



Nope. The Seven Sisters are Laeral, Alustriel, Dove Falconhand, Storm Silverhand, the Simbul, Syluné, and Qilué Veladorn.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

oh hmm i didnt even know about that accesory... shalantha isnt one of the seven sisters is she? im so bad on lore about the chosen etc.



Nope. The Seven Sisters are Laeral, Alustriel, Dove Falconhand, Storm Silverhand, the Simbul, Syluné, and Qilué Veladorn.

And you can find a PDF version of the sourcebook at paizo.com for just $4 US. I recall nobleknight.com offering a printed version as well, though I can't remember the asking price...

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

This is a really fascinating topic. If ever given the opportunity (and for an appropriate subject), I'd want to explore this further.



As a designer of FR products, you are fortunate to be in the unique position that you can take these one-off references and do more with them, adding meat to the bones as it were. Next FR project you get, you may consider delving into these barebones references that are scattered throughout a hundred products (if you need a few, feel free to drop me a line) and having some fun with them. Of course, IMHO, the very best FR writers also add some more of these 'throwaway' liitle bits of realmslore in their writings also. It's like tending a forest. For every tree you cut down, three should be planted.

-- George Krashos




Well, nothing is in the works at the moment that would allow me to make use of that, but if anything down the line should arise, I'll definitely think about it.

I always try to find small throwaway lines, especially ones with interesting potential, and expand on them. To me, it's much easier to explore something with little detail than to try and expand on the superb jobs done by others (though of course, I have to do both).

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