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The Hooded One
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 :  02:20:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all! Ed apologizes for taking so long to get to this simple question from Jamallo Kreen: “I have a question regarding the Herald class in PoF: what are their class skills?”
Because, errata or not, this “counts” as unpublished-but-paid-for Realmslore owned by Wotc, Ed had to get permission from Wizards to quote from his turnover manuscript. It’s been duly granted, so here’s the skinny:



“CLASS SKILLS
Skill Points at Each Level: 4+Int modifier
The herald’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are:
Bluff (Cha)
Concentration (Con)
Decipher Script (Int)
Diplomacy (Cha)
Forgery (Int)
Gather Information (Cha)
Intimidate (Cha)
Knowledge (any) (Int)
Listen (Wis)
Perform (Cha)
Scry (Int)
Sense Motive (Wis)
Speak Language
Spot (Wis)
Use Magic Device (Cha)”



And there you have it. Somehow this got dropped out of the text in the editing, a glitch that as we all know has happened a time or two before.
And to Jamallo Kreen: official pronunciations from Ed: “Vangey” is “VAN-jee” but “Vangerdahast” is “VAN-grr-dah-hast” (yes, regardless of what it may say elsewhere)
love,
THO
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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 :  02:25:27  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
So that begs the question then.... who came up with the pronouncations in the old grey box and the 2e campaign setting box set? Since Ed has given us a different one then what is in the old grey box.

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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 :  02:44:27  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And to Jamallo Kreen: official pronunciations from Ed: “Vangey” is “VAN-jee” but “Vangerdahast” is “VAN-grr-dah-hast” (yes, regardless of what it may say elsewhere)
love,
THO
Strangely, or not... I always felt the "grr" sound in Vangerdahast was actually more appropriate than what we'd learned in the 1e/2e FRCS sets. And I know that is how I've always chosen to pronouce it despite what's been written about the pronouciation before.

But I'm curious... who came up with the pronouciations in 1e/2e then if not Ed?



EDIT: And yes, I just realised Kuje asked the same question twenty-or-so-minutes ago -- (teaches me to have the reply window open for too long and start doing something else before replying)

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 :  08:33:34  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message
I've always envisioned his name and nickname sounding the way Ed just confirmed as well. But then, the first time you read a product, the way you start pronouncing a name tends to stick with you for the rest of your life, regardless of what anyone says - take for example Drizzt, Cattie Brie, and Guenhwyvar. When you read the novels all those years back, the way you started pronouncing the names is most likely how you still pronounce them, regardless of what anyone says.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 :  17:53:19  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage  Send Beirnadri Magranth an AOL message Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

A kiira stores all unguarded knowledge possessed by the weilder. So all of the songs he/she's ever listened to should theoretically be in there. It's *finding* a certain song in milennia of memories that a problem...

There was also a sound bottle in The Floodgate that Tzigone uses to record a short verbal exchange. No idea how much it could record or store for how long.



not necessarily true. the telkiiras (LEOF) can store memories much like a thought bottle (complete arcane). the kiiras can sotre the memory if the person can actually remember it... so the song might not be recorded properly. Also it can only play it back to teh wearer not broadcast it. The Akhvelahr (Sp?) kiira can produce illusions of the things stored within but im not sure if that can produce music. i believe its in the pgtf.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  01:09:41  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all. This time Ed gets around to dealing (in part) with the first post Scarabeus made at Candlekeep, back in August of 2005:
“. . . I would like to have further details about the original spellsinger character class you made for the Realms. Knowing about your fondness for music and the rich amount of details that you put in your work, none of the published spellsigner classes seem to be near of what you created. I once worked on a legendary Elven Spellsinger character class (a la Elfsong) but it does not seem to be the original spellsinger . . . Call you tell us more about how the original spellsingers used to cast spells, or spellsongs?”
Ed replies:



I can say a little, though I’m dodging among monolithic, Stonehenge-impressive NDAs here regarding the various other versions of Spellsingers.
Originally, spellsingers were people (usually human, and usually female) who had an innate ability to call on the Weave to work magic in a specific way: when dancing and singing or chanting around a focus (usually a fire, but it could be any source of light or energy, from a red-hot sword planted in the ground and now radiating heat to a spring bubbling up from the earth), they could work limited, low-power magics they could think of (vividly; in other words, they almost always had to have seen the magical effect - - worked by someone else, or unleashed by an item - - before, and concentrate on that memory). “Put” the memory on top of the focus, and when staring at the focus try to see not the focus but only the memory, and keep staring at it - - largely oblivious to surroundings, and hence vulnerable to attack or theft - - while dancing around it.
Most spellsingers found they couldn’t “feel the Weave start to work” (though they might not say it this way, because they might not even know it was something called “the Weave” they were calling on) if they wore clothes or footwear, and so they danced naked or at least barefoot. Most spellsingers couldn’t do anything more than a cantrip when dancing alone, and even then had to dance for a long time and ended up exhausted; impressive magic (spellsingers always work arcane magic, or an arcane equivalent of, say, a druid spell) requires multiple spellsingers, dancing and chanting together. Enough experienced (upper-level, in game terms) and strong (not tired, wounded, or sick) spellsingers, working together, could enact even 9th level wizard spells - - but if a Zhent captures a spellsinger and wants her spellbooks, items, etc. he finds he has nothing but a helpless captive.
If he locks her in a room for the night, alone and unshackled - - and she’s desperate (and strong) enough - - she cuts or bites herself, uses her own spilling blood as the focal energy, and dances until she can work up a magic to free herself or more often alert or summon aid.
Otherwise, she is no magic-worker at all. “A sorceress who can’t sorce,” as THO once described it. I wanted the spellsinger to exist for two reasons: to account for all the real-world old legends of “witches dancing naked around a fire by night” (the Forgotten Realms was originally supposed to ‘account for’ all those real-world occult and fey and unexplained “magical” things, remember?) and, in the Realms, to give a REASON why every second Zhent or unwashed independent warrior didn’t just trek off to a distant village and rape, pillage, and murder his way through it for a night, and then leave again. The reason was that every single village had its crones and matrons and young daughters - - and the survivors would dance around the fire, find out who that warrior was and where he was now, and work revenge on him. (And as general folk knowledge, every warrior “knew” this would probably happen.) They haven’t the time to “go after” groups of attackers in this way, and will never agree on anything enough to do it for idle or personal-spite purposes - - but if folk think the power is there and they’d better not awaken it, we have a reason low-level priests or government officials or any large, strong local blacksmith doesn’t habitually and casually act like a tyrant.
The reason you never saw the spellsingers in print was, of course, the “ladies dancing nude” bit (running headlong into the TSR Code of Ethics).
The game-balance reason I put that element in was to make PC adventurers used to hacking anything that moved to the ground before even saying hello hesitate to “watch the show,” and so learn a bit about what was going on, and so have a moral dilemma to face and not just “ooh, look: nude women: easy kills because they’ve gotta be evil witches; how many XP will I get?”
It worked, too. Back at GenCon 13, when I ran a table of players that included several TSR staffers, they DID stop and debate. And then went in hacking anyway - - and reaped the moral and social consequences.
Memories of that may well have made TSR back away from the whole situation (so we’ll end up defending nude female “witches” to the Bible Belt, who already want every D&D book burned and its makers jailed? Riiiiight.) by just preventing the spellsingers from being published.
It’s not something that upsets me; it’s just one of the inevitable differences between my fiction world and a publicly-used game setting.



So saith Ed. Bringing you secrets from the golden past. He’s written at least one unpublished Realms short story (“The Long Sword”) that features spellsingers - - and Chess and Manshoon and Manshoon’s elder brother, too, back before there were any Zhentarim. I wonder when we’ll get to see it?
love to all,
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  01:25:14  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I can say a little, though I’m dodging among monolithic, Stonehenge-impressive NDAs here regarding the various other versions of Spellsingers.
Whoa! They sound like the strongest NDAs we've heard about so far .

quote:
The reason you never saw the spellsingers in print was, of course, the “ladies dancing nude” bit (running headlong into the TSR Code of Ethics).
Ah, if only that nasty TSR Code of Ethics had been removed to another plane for a time during the days of previous editions... we may have had the opportunity to learn such facts and hear more about those deity rituals Ed has so wanted to cover in detail .



-- And to Ed, via THO, any chance we can have some confirmation on the facts relating to the questions Kuje and I asked above about the pronounciation for Vangerdahast?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  01:47:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
I'll pass it on, Sage, and see what Ed says. (I know he has some music lore coming up for you, mid-May or earlier.)
For those interested, Chapter 14 of Oroon Rising has now been posted on the Wizards website. Entitled "An Unpleasant Storm of Spells," it can be found at:

"Oroon Rising, Chapter 14"

(please make a link for me, one of you strong tech-minded scribes!)
Things are getting tense as the tale draws to its climax . . .
love to all,
THO



EDIT: Link done. Is that better my lady?

Edited by - The Sage on 29 Apr 2006 02:06:41
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  02:08:09  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I'll pass it on, Sage, and see what Ed says.
Neato.

quote:
(I know he has some music lore coming up for you, mid-May or earlier.)
As per previous discussions... yes, I would imagine he has .

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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  03:23:27  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
Its odd that the FR is the only one of WOTC published settings that doesnt have a class unique to the setting.

Dragonlance has the Noble class and Eberron has the Artificer its a pity Wizards didnt create a full 20 level Spellfire class for the Realms (There was after all a Spellfire wielder class in 1ed/2ed)

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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  03:45:22  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed speaks:

Potentially, yes. The problem is that anyone knowing such a ritual would keep it VERY secret, so any characters desiring to gain such traits (the characters don’t know of or call them “templates,” remember) are going to have to experiment on themselves or others, at great risk (from the others they experiment on, if from no one else!). Most mage’s guilds would outlaw such attempts as too darned dangerous (in terms of the attention and potential enemies it would bring), and the experimenter is going to have to literally introduce the blood desired (procured from a presumably unwilling dragon, fiend, or celestial!) into their own or an experimental subject’s body, somehow (magically) keep them alive as their body reacts to the blood (which poisons most bodies if injected or ingested, as opposed to being born with it), and then begin a series of (unknown, experimental) spells that cause the host body to alter in properties to the desired traits.
In short, it’s a life’s work for PCs, if the DM handles it properly, and if the DM presents NPC casters who have already mastered the process, or do so “in front of” the PCs’ eyes, tell me this: why would such NPC casters share what they’ve learned, or agree to “do it to” someone else? Won’t they try to hitch some magical control into the someone else, so at the very least they can stop the augmented being from turning and slaying them to “keep the secret”? Won’t we be dealing with obsessed “mad scientist” characters here, who might well try to create an army of servitor augmented beings? (?)
Or to put it more succinctly: Have fun. :}



Chuckle. That’s my Ed. So saith he, and all that.
Keep us posted, Dargoth!
love,
THO




Thanks Ed

One of the ideas Im kicking around is Tension (From the Daggerford Entry in The North) trying to turn himself into a Fire Genasi or Half Fire Elemental. Hes sends the party to the the nearest known colony of Fire Elementals: Mount Hotenow with the hope of finding away of accomplishing his gaol

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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  19:29:04  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, all! Ed apologizes for taking so long to get to this simple question from Jamallo Kreen: “I have a question regarding the Herald class in PoF: what are their class skills?”
Because, errata or not, this “counts” as unpublished-but-paid-for Realmslore owned by Wotc, Ed had to get permission from Wizards to quote from his turnover manuscript. It’s been duly granted, so here’s the skinny:

(snip)

And there you have it. Somehow this got dropped out of the text in the editing, a glitch that as we all know has happened a time or two before.
And to Jamallo Kreen: official pronunciations from Ed: “Vangey” is “VAN-jee” but “Vangerdahast” is “VAN-grr-dah-hast” (yes, regardless of what it may say elsewhere)
love,
THO




Thanks very much to both of you, THO. "Vangey" is going to make an appearance in my campaign soon, and I'm especially glad to know how to pronounce his nickname, so as to appear less foolish than usual to my players!

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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  19:37:25  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

(Apropos of the Purple Dragon Knight's post, I have to say that one of the coolest moments in Cormyr: a Novel is the one it which it dawns upon the reader the what's-what and who's-whom and who-was-whom of "dahast".)
Indeed Jamallo, indeed!
Hmm... yes... indeed!
Hmm... of course!
(psst! mind refreshing my memory on that cool moment? does it have to do with a certain red-haired gent who happens to befriend the elves of the Wolf Woods?)



SPOILER WARNING!








"Dahast" indicates his descent from the elf who appears in ancient Cormanthan/Cormyrian history, as I recall (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). Perhaps my "oooooh" moment owes a lot to my (then) near-total ignorance of Cormyr's early history. Now I'm just confused about current events. At least I'm not alone in that -- many of the nobles apparently have no idea what's going on in their own homes, let alone in the palace!



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Jamallo Kreen
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I fear an NDA might pop up in response to this question, but ...


Are wheellock pistols known on Faerun outside the circles of Spelljammers? How sophisticated are the locks on native Faerunian smokepowder weapons, anyway?



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Hello Mr. Greenwood.May I take a moment of your time?It is about the Delymbir Vale.I am in need of some lore about the halfling town of Shinning Falls,the city of Llorkh,and a little general history about the vale itself.I've searched allot of sourcebooks about them,but most of them have vague info on this zone.Thank you in advance.I also seek knowledge of the Rein family in Loudwater.I'm looking forward to know what the family's fortune is( in GP :) ),and what buildings,inns etc. do they own in Loudwater.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 :  01:01:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well met again, all. This time, Ed responds to Uzzy: “Hello Ed and The Hooded One. :) Thank you for all the Realmslore you’ve put up here over all the years. Certainly kept me up late at nights just reading through it.
Anyway, my question is about the Scarlet Mummers, the Lliiran Militant Order of Assassins. I’m playing a Lliiran Character right now (Bard/Fighter) who definately seems to be leaning towards a more 'militant' bent. So, I started looking for information about the Scarlet Mummers. But, there doesn’t seem to be any at all, other then the mention in Faiths and Pantheons and, of all things, a brief mention in Neverwinter Nights! So, essentially, if you could help at all with things like their organisation, how they are viewed by the rest of the Lliiran church, or anything, it would be a huge help. Thanks in advance. :)”
Ed replies:



I, too, wanted to know more about the Mummers. So I did something about that. Watch the Wizards website for a Realmslore column, probably this fall, that delves into the Scarlet Mummers. Sorry for the wait I’ve given you, but it’s done now. :} And you’re very welcome for the other Realmslore. Two lore tidbits: some Mummers use a single cut red rose as a signal or badge, and they have a fluid organization (no ‘set’ hierarchy) that “stands outside” church ranks.



So saith Ed. One of the unavoidable perils of writing Realmslore columns rears its head again. Sigh.
love to all,
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Hello Again,

A Quick question I hope, lol, how many miles from the Lizard Marsh south is it plains, hills before the ground rises as the map shows and how high would the cliffs be above sea level. Basically I'm trying to create a camp that could grow but need to get an idea of how far away from the Marsh it can be but at an elevated level to deal with incursions from the Trollbark Forest yet be able to make a port? Any info on what may be in the marsh in year winter of 1371 that I might need to be aware of would be helpful too.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, all. This time Ed gets around to dealing (in part) with the first post Scarabeus made at Candlekeep, back in August of 2005:
“. . . Can you tell us more about how the original spellsingers used to cast spells, or spellsongs?”


Yes, the first post indeed and the waiting was worth it. I bow in gratitude before you for this rich piece of ancient realmslore. It makes me remember the time when I discovered the Realms, such full of wonders. I like those kind of "occult" feeling about the spellsingers. This is a class (I'm not even sure it is, because you said innate ability) so different than the average adventurer that in fact it looks strange and mysterious. In your reply you speak of unexplained “magical” things related to occult or fey phenomenons. It just occurs to me that while we know an awfull lots about the gods, dragons, the ancient races, the underworld and all, the mysteries of the fey have been largly avoided. By that I mean more that the simple creatures of the Monsters Manual. I mean the fey as a whole, their hidden magical realms where people have been known to come out many years later when they thought only a few days passed.
Spirit-like beings able to provide good or bad-luck, exchange babies with changelings or inspire bards and artists. I think there's a world of possibilities on the subject. Gwendolyn F.M. Kestrel wrote a WoTC columed named Fey Feature that was good.
Books from Brian Froud are a great source of inspiration on the subject also, but I'll go for an official question: "Based upon the fact that "the Forgotten Realms was originally supposed to ‘account for’ all those real-world occult and fey and unexplained “magical” things" how do you depict the fey in your original realms and what can you tell us about them."

quote:
So saith Ed. Bringing you secrets from the golden past. He’s written at least one unpublished Realms short story (“The Long Sword”) that features spellsingers - - and Chess and Manshoon and Manshoon’s elder brother, too, back before there were any Zhentarim. I wonder when we’ll get to see it? love to all,
THO


I would live to read that too. I have to admit that my hunger for those original spellsingers only seem to have been aroused. Thanks again O Loremaster. And my sympathies for those slain spellsingers. The debate surely was interesting to listen.

- Scarabeus

Edited by - Scarabeus on 30 Apr 2006 07:00:03
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Faraer
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Its odd that the FR is the only one of WOTC published settings that doesnt have a class unique to the setting.

Dragonlance has the Noble class and Eberron has the Artificer its a pity Wizards didnt create a full 20 level Spellfire class for the Realms (There was after all a Spellfire wielder class in 1ed/2ed)

?? Spellfire is a plot device created for a single novel character. It's bad enough it was implemented in the rules at all.
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The Hooded One
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Hi again, scribes. This time Ed makes answer to Penknight, in this matter: “. . . I have a question for Mr. Greenwood about Cormyr if it's alright. I have a paladin of Torm that is a native of Cormyr. I was glancing through all of my 1st and 2nd Edition (as well as my 3e and 3.5) sourcebooks and modules, but was never able to find a temple or shrine to Torm mentioned. I was just curious why this was. I kinda figured that he would be quite popular there in regards to what his portfolio is about.”
RevJest then posted: “Torm is a favored (perhaps patron?) god of Princess Alusair, Regent of Cormyr. She is accompanied by several Tormite priests in "Death of the Dragon". If memory serves, there is a shrine to Torm at High Horn.”
And Penknight responded: “I appreciate the information, RevJest. But if I may still ask, why isn't Torm bigger in Cormyr than what he is? Lady THO, if you would ask, I would be truly and deeply grateful. Also, please pass along my deepest respects and a thank you for creating my favorite place to play D&D (especially 2nd Edition) to Mr. Greenwood if you would be so kind.”
Ed replies:



You’re very welcome; thanks for the kind words. Torm is indeed a popular faith in Cormyr, and every Purple Dragon garrison has a small shrine. Suzail has a modest temple to the True, and both Arabel and Marsember have shrines. The chivalric ideal is something the commoners of Cormyr believe in, and take comfort in believing the Crown and the noble houses of their realm follow. Some of the nobles do, and some merely perform perfunctory devotions to the deity so that folk will THINK they revere and uphold what Torm stands for. Ironically, the “lip service” nobles most often use the public city shrines and temple, whereas the devout believers tend to have their own private shrines (chapels) on their own estates.
There are many cynics in Cormyr, and it’s true that Torm is most revered by the young, shining-eyed, and naive (especially young male nobles). The reason Torm doesn’t dominate is that many gods (Chauntea, Helm, Sune, and so on and on) are worshipped in prosperous, generally happy and stable Cormyr, and NO god dominates. Moreover, Vangerdahast had good reasons to prevent faiths from rising to dominance, and used the War Wizards to keep them balanced in power against each other, and as scheming rivals to each other rather than turning their attentions to meddling in politics against the Crown (perhaps by secret alliances with particular discontented nobles). Some of the self-serving priests we see in the later chapters of DEATH OF THE DRAGON hold their lofty positions (to Azoun’s and Cormyr’s cost) because Vangey, working behind the scenes (and unbeknownst to almost all of the clergy involved), got them there. (Yes, it’s one of his largest blunders.)
With all of that said, it’s true that we have neglected the faith of Torm in Cormyr, thus far, in print. This is due, I’m afraid, to the adventuring focus of D&D products: unfolding evil is always more interesting and thus gets more attention. Would you like some brief outline details of Cormyr’s shrines, temples, and clergy? If so, let me know and I’ll post some here (eventually!) or put them in a future Realmslore column on the Wizards website.



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Of course, I'd be interesting in that lore. :)

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Would you like some brief outline details of Cormyr’s shrines, temples, and clergy? If so, let me know and I’ll post some here (eventually!) or put them in a future Realmslore column on the Wizards website.
Do you even need to ask that my Lady? Or is it a trick question?

Of course we'd love such Realmslore! Either format will be fine... .

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I would be greatly interested in hearing more about that. Please tell Mr. Greenwood thank you for me, and a very fond thank you to you as well for asking the question for me. I truly appreciate it.

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Well met, Ed and THO!

I have been reading Pages From the Mages and The Magister over the last few days (ain't I up-to-speed on Realmslore?!), and have several questions about spells, spellcasters and items which I hope that you will be kind enough to answer. If these have been answered before, will someone please direct me to which year's answers they are in? In particular, I seem to recall that the Greenstone Amulet was discussed at length here at Candlekeep a year or two ago. I apologize for repeating the questions of others, but the "search" function doesn't always work here, and the lack of indices in almost all 3rd edition books makes it extremely difficult to look up contemporary versions of 2nd edition spells or current or recently added information about people and things mentioned in older TSR books. (I am currently wondering how Archveult's name is pronounced; I'm fairly certain that the pronunciation is given in a 3E book, but I haven't got a half hour to spare to check all those I do have, perhaps only to realize that it was in a book I borrowed two years ago from someone else. Nice, simple indices like those in Pages From the Mages would be sooooo nice, particularly in books which cost thirty or forty dollars. *sigh*) On to the questions!

From The Magister : I am not entirely clear about the charges of a Greenstone Amulet. Does it ward off listed spells according to how many spell levels it has left versus the level of a spell directed against a wielder, meaning that the "all or nothing" protection fails if, for example, 42 levels of listed spells are directed at it (and repulsed) and then a third-level spell is directed at it (because warding against that level spell exceeds its maximum defensive potential), but that the Amulet will still have two levels of defense available if it started with 44? Apropos of its 11-44 levels of defense, are those permanently fixed when an individual Amulet is created, or does the recharging which occurs always take the Amulet to 44 spell levels of defense if it is allowed a sufficient period of rest and recuperation? If the level number is fixed at item creation, does each Amulet regenerate to its own maximum level of protection if it is allowed sufficient time for R&R? Is auto-recharging possible if an Amulet has become exhausted, or is it thereafter useless for magical defense, like a burned-out Ioun Stone?

I have many questions regarding Pages From the Mages. First, some regarding Darrson. Is he a specialist mage or does he avoid illusionism by personal preference only? Should one happen to meet him, in person or as a summoned talking head, just what sort of person does he look for as a potential friend? He's described at one point as paranoid (or close to it), so does he deliberately avoid certain character classes as potential threats, or is he open to anyone who isn't Halruan or obviously threatening to him? Apropos of his magical creations: the Ring of Magic Detection has become fairly well known since the multiverse was altered by the 3rd edition rules, but are the secrets of making a Wand of Portraiture now known to others? In either case, how (un)common are they now?

Next, regarding the spells and items from Daltim's Tome of Fire: are these more common since the Tome was lost in Tethyr (as if someone who could actually use the spellbook got hold of it rather than its having gone to fuel some ogre's campfire)? In particular, how widely available is unburn now? Apropos of the magic items, does Daltim himself make these, or does he farm their creation out to employee-mages, or did he simply describe them without personally taking any part in their manufacture?

Elminster's Traveling Spellbook includes his own Evasion spell, but are his own conditions for its activation known outside a small circle of friends and those who have read Pages From the Mages or Realmspace? Who -- other than readers of Realmspace --actually knows where Safehold is physically located (and do any of them ever go there just to pass through to your house and annoy you in person)? I have a very particular question about Worldwalk: does it allow two-way travel to the Demiplane of Dread, and if not, does it allow one-way travel so that poor saps can pass into Ravenloft but can't then escape?

I am particularly interested in the "unique" spell Quimby's Enchanting Gourmet, from Jaluster's Orizon. The text says that the spell is "often used by retired sages and other sedentary types." How widespread is knowledge of this spell, anyway? Is there a way to evade the tome guardian which I missed, because my impression is that the little sucker will attack anyone who handles the book. If it does always attack, can it be killed to allow reading of the book? If so, does another one subsequently appear to harass the owner until one succeeds in killing him, or is there a single tome guardian attached to the book who can be briefly vanquished from this plane but not slain here? I just don't see how Quimby's Enchanting Gourmet could be known to those "sedentary types" unless that blasted tome guardian can be gotten rid of, even if only temporarily.

A query next on Grimwald's Graymantle, from the Tome of the Covenant: can the caster of the spell hand off the material component after it has been enchanted to another person (a halfling with a slingshot or wicked pitch, for example) without affecting that person with the graymantle, or must the caster (forgive the pun) cast the bone personally?

I have two questions regarding Xult's Magical Doom from the fragmentary Tome of Rathdaen: First, does the insanity effect occur even after a creature has returned to its normal form, or does it only effect it while it is transformed? (I can't see how it would be possible to determine if an earthworm was suffering from homicidal mania, or a bunny rabbit or cricket from hebephrenia!) Second, how is Xult's name pronounced? (This leads to a corollary request: Ed, would you please tell us how "x" is pronounced in according to the different languages or regions of the Realms? I know of at least five ways to pronounce it in Earth languages -- "sh", "z", "h", Germanic-Scots "ch", and "ex" -- but have no idea which pronunciation to apply to it occurrence in Toril, except for "Xvim," and its use in Maztica, which presumably follows Nahuatl usage.)

I apologize again for any repetitious questions, but one does want to impress one's player's with one's Realmslore, doesn't one? (Besides which, if I can think up these questions, so can my players!)


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Ah, SUPERB questions, JK! Just the sort Ed likes.
I can tell you that Archveult is pronounced "Arch-VULL-t" and that some of your Pages questions concern material added by the TSR staffer who worked on that tome.
However, off they all go to Ed, who will no doubt reply extensively, in the fullness of time!
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