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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  07:44:37  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Rowan

Just a bit curious, Lady THO. Might I inquire as to who exactly you played? I think I'll go out on a limb here and say Storm...for perhaps obvious reasons.



She won't answer you, and we've had these discussions in the past, but she is/was one of the Knights of Myth Drannor. :)

Indeed.

Kuje's compiled replies files already cover this as an introduction to the files -

quote:
Kuje’s Note: All of these are posted by The Hooded One. She is one of Ed’s players who play’s one of the Knights of Myth Drannor. Please don’t ask which Knight, because she doesn’t want to, and will not, say.


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George Krashos
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  07:49:30  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
Oh, and Storm was never a member of the Knights of Myth Drannor.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Lauzoril
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  09:23:11  Show Profile  Visit Lauzoril's Homepage Send Lauzoril a Private Message
Hi again, Lady Hood and Ed.

Managed to complete the reading of Finnish version of Elminster in Myth Drannor while ago. Could've done it earlier but so much to do and so little time.
Anyway, the translation is perfect, once again. Didn't see any alterations in items or such this time, none that I remember well. Monster names were translated as faithfully as possible, which few times took a moment to figure what it was since I know them in English primarily.
Only funny thing was most of the elven names (last names mainly) which describe something had been converted to Finnish, like Morningmist (Aamu-usva). Shrinshee and such have remained as they are.
All in all, was refreshing to read Myth Drannor again, in both languages, also helped to clear few things which had seemed obscure on the first time. My mother read it too and liked it as much as the Mage book.
Have to throw few questions too.
Has the exact circumstances been told or will they be told when and why Elminster stumbled into the spell trap which immobilised him for years, resulting him not being present in Myth Drannor's fall? Particularly how soon after leaving Drannor he did it?
Although this topic has passed sometime ago, I just have to ask it.
How do Drow handle the waste disposal, generally?

Thank you,

Lauzoril








"Death to the enemies of Bane."

Edited by - Lauzoril on 16 Mar 2006 14:17:52
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Trace_Coburn
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  10:14:54  Show Profile  Visit Trace_Coburn's Homepage Send Trace_Coburn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed speaks:

The short answer is that thanks to elven thinking after the fall of Myth Drannor, there aren’t any settlements of the sort you’re seeking detail of, anywhere in the area (though that may change quickly now, and individual elf families departing upland Sembia and the Dales may have banded together with other elf families in tree-home clusters that might be described as very small “settlements”). For the long answer, see some forthcoming Realmslore columns on the WotC website about Semberholme. I’m sorry, but your question was posted just days after the latest batch of Realmslore articles was completed. Wince.


So saith Ed. Well, the bad side is you’ll have to wait a bit. The good side is that you’ll get a full-fledged answer, when it appears. As one of Ed’s original players, I know a bit more, but (as they say) NDAs forbid.
love to all,
THO

Ooooh, re-he-he-heally? I shall look forward to these forthcoming Realmslore revelations with eager anticipation!

To both THO and Ed o' the Greenwood, my sincere respects and thanks.

D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.

FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerûn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerûn, Player's Guide to Faerûn, Power of Faerûn, Races of Faerûn, Silver Marches.

I just got back into this, okay? Give me time (or better yet money) - I'll catch up soon enough.
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Skeptic
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  15:02:04  Show Profile Send Skeptic a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Oh, and Storm was never a member of the Knights of Myth Drannor.



Yeah, but it would have explained a lot of things about the Bard of Shadowdale

Edited by - Skeptic on 16 Mar 2006 15:02:17
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RevJest
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 :  18:26:26  Show Profile  Visit RevJest's Homepage Send RevJest a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Penknight

Hello. I have a question for Mr. Greenwood about Cormyr if it's alright. I have a paladin of Torm that is a native of Cormyr. I was glancing through all of my 1st and 2nd Edition (as well as my 3e and 3.5) sourcebooks and modules, but was never able to find a temple or shrine to Torm mentioned. I was just curious why this was. I kinda figured that he would be quite popular there in regards to what his portfolio is about.


Torm is a favored (perhaps patron?) god of Princess Alusair, Regent of Cormyr. She is accompanied by several Tormite priests in "Death of the Dragon".

If memory serves, there is a shrine to Torm at High Horn.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  00:07:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well met again, fellow scribes of Candlekeep. This time, Ed addresses this, from Asgetrion: “My humble greetings again, Lady Herald and Master Ed! I wish to send my heartfelt thanks to Ed for writing the 'City of Splendors' with Elaine! It is an amazing book, filled with juicy details and a massive amount of essential Realmslore :) It was nice to get a glimple at the everyday life of a guildmaster's family, and particularly I enjoyed the interaction/intrigue between differents social classes (merchants, watchmen/guardsmen and nobles). Or how rumours start and spread in a city like Waterdeep, and what are the consequences of those rumours. I wish I could thank you properly, but words seem to fail me. Let me just express my gratitude and say that every word in this book was well worth its price (and more!) I have been playing the scion of House Tesper in our longest-running campaign since the days when the only members of the Waterdhavian noble houses listed in "canon" Realmslore were the patriarchs. Thus, I was delighted (and a bit relieved) to find that short reference to the unnamed (young?) "Lord Tesper" in a dragon outfit - I have to shamelessly admit that I imagined my character being there... :D And you provided lore about wellhouses just as I was thinking to ask about them ;) (just kidding...) But seriously, am I completely wrong in assuming that most wellhouses would be built on top of burnt down or dismantled/taken down buildings? (on top of their cellars - which have wells - that is) Another question regards addressing nobility... I had assumed that 'Sir' or 'Young Master' was the proper form of addressing a young nobleman, and that 'Lord' was reserved only for addressing the Masked Lords? Can you give any additional information about the Amalgamation? Its history, bases of operation, the gods they worship, etcetera :)”
Ed replies:



Asgetrion, it was a great pleasure both to work with Elaine and to get to play in Waterdeep (something I’m scheming even now to try to arrange again, beyond a brief scene in SWORDS OF EVENINGSTAR, that is). We certainly tried to pack CITY OF SPLENDORS with Realmslore and bring life in the city “alive” for readers, so it’s lovely to hear from folks who think we managed it. Thank YOU! And yes, it’s a wonderful feeling to see your own character stroll into the story, isn’t it? (Which is why we kept things as vague as possible, so your Lord Tesper - - AND someone else’s - - would “fit” with our depiction.). As for your question about the Amalgamation, I’m going to bow out on that one because Elaine is working on an article (for DRAGON, I believe) that should provide game details on the cult.
As for wellhouses: in most buildings in the city, wells are in the cellars, because most people lack the space for a separate wellhouse (that someone else could contaminate, block access to, and so on). However, in both the poorest parts of Dock Ward AND the wealthiest parts of North and Sea Wards, separate wellhouse buildings are common. In Dock Ward, they’re communal, located in the interiors of city blocks, and usually too small to be shown on the maps (they’re usually sited near the back wall of a building in the interior of the city block or jutting into the interior, in a location where there isn’t a sewer manhole [or, ahem, ‘person access cover’] - - and several Waterdeep products, down the years, have mapped the sewers so as to show you precisely where those access points are). In the wealthy north end of the city, they’re located in their own outbuilding in the gardens or the stable yard, or along the interior of the villa “compound wall.” In the better parts of Dock Ward and much of South Ward, Castle Ward, and the southern bits of North and Sea Wards, one is most likely to encounter what you saw in CITY OF SPLENDORS: a little hut of a wellhouse ‘back behind’ a streetfront building, either private or shared with one or two neighbours. Most wellhouses are damp, low-ceilinged, plain places that lack secret passages to anywhere. In situations where access to them can be controlled (in a walled yard, for example), they may have washbasins, hooks for hanging really muddy or filthy boots or cloaks to dry, and shelves to serve as an overflow ‘root cellar’ (storage for fruits, vegetables, and preserves). Only the bold store ale or wine in their wellhouses, because conditions aren’t the best for longevity of such drinkables, and because if ANYONE not of your household sees you trundling to and fro with the quaff, you’re VERY likely to get it all stolen.



So saith Ed. I chopped his reply off here so as not to run into the post-size limit, and will post the second half (all about nobles, and juicy) on the morrow.
love to all,
THO
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Herr Doktor
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  02:51:21  Show Profile  Visit Herr Doktor's Homepage  Send Herr Doktor an AOL message  Click to see Herr Doktor's MSN Messenger address Send Herr Doktor a Private Message
Hello Ed, and the Hooded One, I'm looking for some details on some specific locales in Tethyr that appear on the FR interactive atlas map but don't seem to be detailed in the Lands of Intrigue boxed set. Any additional Tethyrian lore you can spare would also be greatly appreciated.

The locales I can't find information (or much information) on are as follows:

- Banshivale
- Brinniq Dell
- Canaith
- Castle Dasaajk
- Caves of Memory
- Grapton
- Grapevine’s Root
- Guardian’s Garrison
- Hostim
- Keeperstone
- Marakir
- Nine Ladies
- Samyte’s Tomb
- Seven Stars
- Strohm IV's Tomb
- Tinkersdam's Cave
- Tresqyl Vineyards

These are all located in Tethyr's western portions, I've left off the eastern for now. Thanks ahead for anything you can spare!
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  03:22:55  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Herr Doktor, I would suggest you, in addition to checking VGtBGII, also try asking Steven in his scroll whether he has any tidbits he can share on these Tethyrian locations... since it was also an area of the Realms he's previously had "his hands" on .



EDIT: As I recall too... he's mentioned one or two of them in his replies here already. I can't check the files ATM though.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  03:33:34  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
And I would suggest asking Eric Boyd in HIS thread, as I remember talk at a GenCon seminar of him being the one who collected all the “obscure” Realms place names and gave them to ProFantasy for inclusion in that Atlas.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  03:50:26  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
The majority of those locations can be found in Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. Canaith is the former bardic college mentioned in a few sources, notably the novel "Elfsong".

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Aquanova
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  18:26:25  Show Profile  Visit Aquanova's Homepage Send Aquanova a Private Message
Hello again Mr. Greenwood (jeez, I sound like Agent Smith).

In connection to my previous question, by your endorsing Mr. Krashos' module I take it that that would mean it's "canon"? Thanks for the sinister teaser at the end of your response though; it gives me a little hope for future references to that syndicate.

My question regards the "lower" games in Faerun. Surely shooting dice is a popular gambling pastime for street thugs, however I've read about "scales" and other such uniquely Faerunian games, and I'm not sure what they are. What are some popular "ignoble" street games in Faerun, and do they have equivalencies to our world?

Do forgive me if you've already been asked and responded to this kind of inquiry before.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  18:34:53  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

The majority of those locations can be found in Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. Canaith is the former bardic college mentioned in a few sources, notably the novel "Elfsong".

-- George Krashos




A few might be from the pre-edit version of Lands of Intrigue. I really liked some of the local flavor places that got cut, so I refuse to believe they are not really part of the (published) Realms. ;-)

--Eric

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Faraer
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  19:13:13  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
Ed, how close are the three magic types in the new Tome of Magic to how those things work in the Realms?
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Faraer
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Aquanova:
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Card games: Archers, Chase the Dragon*, High Dragon, Old Wizard, Smashcastle, Strikedragon/Battles, Swords, Swords and Shields, talis card games

Dice games: thabort, Traitors’ Heads, Wheel-of-Spells*

Board games: chess and variants (lanceboard), chethlachance, fiveknights, lancers and lions, shirestone

Other games: jacks, shove-skittles, tag, Toss the Dagger

* might be mixed up as to which is card, which dice

Of course, these aren't all ignoble. Where is scales mentioned?

Edited by - Faraer on 17 Mar 2006 19:17:20
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Kajehase
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Another card-game (I think...): Elemental Empires, which is played by Giogio and his chums in The Wyvern's Spur.

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Hoondatha
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 :  21:43:26  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
I always think of Magic cards when I read about Elemental Empires. It started out funny, then got somewhat ironic when WotC aquired TSR.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Aquanova
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Posted - 18 Mar 2006 :  01:08:39  Show Profile  Visit Aquanova's Homepage Send Aquanova a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Aquanova:
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Card games: Archers, Chase the Dragon*, High Dragon, Old Wizard, Smashcastle, Strikedragon/Battles, Swords, Swords and Shields, talis card games

Dice games: thabort, Traitors’ Heads, Wheel-of-Spells*

Board games: chess and variants (lanceboard), chethlachance, fiveknights, lancers and lions, shirestone

Other games: jacks, shove-skittles, tag, Toss the Dagger

* might be mixed up as to which is card, which dice

Of course, these aren't all ignoble. Where is scales mentioned?


"Scales" is mentioned in the Erevis Cale Trilogy by Paul S. Kemp. I'm not sure, but I think it may be referenced in the first two novels (Twilight Falling and Dawn of Night), very lightly albeit. Mentioned being played in taverns, alongside other games of chance.

And thank you very much Faraer for that list. Now if I only knew the general execution of the games I'd be sated (for now )....
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Mar 2006 :  01:41:12  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. A public service announcement: It’s looking increasingly likely that Ed will be a Guest of Honour at the 25th anniversary AD ASTRA sf convention in Toronto (March 31st through April 2nd, 2006: see www.ad-astra.org) as a replacement for Ray Bradbury, Ray Harryhausen, AND Rowena Morrill (! Jeez, Ed’s going to be exhausted; don’t worry: Terry Brooks, Betsy Mitchell, and Kelly Armstrong are also going to be GoHs). Things aren’t quite finalized yet, but if you’re going to be in the Toronto area . . .

Also, Aquanova, Ed has posted the rules for some of the games in that list (Strikedragon, Old Wizard, etc.) in earlier years of this thread. Others are in Volo’s Cormyr (a free download, I believe; a wiser scribe please help) and elsewhere in published sources.

On to the Realmslore at hand! Here’s the second half of Ed’s reply to Asgetrion (specifically to this: “Another question regards addressing nobility... I had assumed that 'Sir' or 'Young Master' was the proper form of addressing a young nobleman, and that 'Lord' was reserved only for addressing the Masked Lords?”):



And as for addressing nobles: no, anyone of known noble status is addressed as “Lord” or “Lady” (toddlers and young children usually as “Young Lord” or “Young Lady”) by a Waterdhavian; “Saer” [rather than “Sir”] is used by those uncertain of a persons’s status but signalling that they don’t want to give offense - - or even that they know they’re addressing some who’s not noble, but believe the person has behaved nobly, and is worthy to stand with the best, and wants to signal that respect.
So a typical noble family will have THE “Lord Bladderblat” (the head of the house, who may or may not be its eldest male) and several “Lord Bladderblats” (his sons, cousins, brothers, and uncles). “Old Lord Bladderblat” always refers to a previous head of the house, so it’s either the dead father of the current head, or someone dismissed from being head of the house [e.g. exiled, deposed, vanished, fled, or locked up as dangerously insane]. In the same manner, the family can have multiple Lady Bladderblats; it should be noted that widows are usually referred to as “Dowager Lady Bladderblat” when speaking OF them, but just “Lady Bladderblat” when one is speaking TO them.
To address a Bladderblat as “Young Master” or “Young Mistress” [the word “Miss” in the Realms means you didn’t hit what you were aiming at; it’s unknown as a form of address] is a form of admonishment, and will be regarded thus: when spoken to an infant, toddler, or misbehaving youth (up to about the age of eight or nine), it’s quite acceptable in the eyes of the noble parents, even if the speaker is a servant, outlander, or the dirtiest of “low commoners.” When used to address an older noble, it is an insult, tolerated - - though not with pleasure - - when used by the Watch or Guard or Palace officers, and also tolerated when used by a very old noble to a younger [doddering, eighty-year old Lady Glunder may say it disapprovingly to an infant Lord Bladderblat and not discomfit the Bladderblats at all; as an elder noble, it’s Lady Glunder’s perfect right to speak thus].
Among adult Waterdhavian nobles (who, after all, all know each other and see each other often at feasts, clubs, and revels) it’s an insult to address someone by the wrong or a lower title than they deserve: they WILL take offense if called “Saer” by another noble, when they wouldn’t take offense at all if a “commoner” or “outlander” addressed them as such (nobles usually refer to non-noble Waterdhavians as “citizen” when being polite, and “commoner” when not).
Most Waterdhavians rarely have the opportunity to speak to Masked Lords directly, outside of VERY formal settings (as in: trials), and when they do, it’s usually a row of multiple featureless masks they’re speaking to, and they say, “Lords.” When speaking to the Open Lord, darn near every Waterdhavian who isn’t his personal friend will say “Lord Piergeiron” in full, shortening it to “Lord” only if they converse together for a time.
By the way, in this reply to you I have used the two entirely fictitious noble surnames most popular among Waterdhavian satirical broadsheet writers, minstrels, and tellers of street jokes [e.g. “How did Lord Bladderblat decide if young Lady Glunder was a suitable match for his son?/He tried her out himself, of course. Several times.”]. They began as one acid-penned noble’s way of decrying the antics of certain other nobles, generations ago (when everyone knew the specific real individuals who were being described and made fun of), and have evolved into general archetypes.



So saith Ed, the foremost expert on Waterdeep (though Lord Boyd and Lady Cunningham stand at his shoulders). I should perhaps mention to scribes who didn’t want to spring for the hardcover of the superb CITY OF SPLENDORS novel that the mass market paperback release is imminent, and it really is “essential Realmslore,” as well as cracking good entertainment.
love to all,
THO
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Torkwaret
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Poland
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Dear Lord Greenwood

I'm overjoyed about the "Coin mountains" of the Realms you presented here , but would like to ask you for one tiny, little addition - long-existing liches , how do you see them as "coin mountains" (using the same criteria you used to select their living counterparts and excluding any wealth they may have in magical items).

I don't want you to list ten of course, but one or two would be nice



...Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin...
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Hello again, fellow scribes. This time, Ed makes answer to Solomon in these matters: “Can you tell us about Arkhon "the Old", who was referred to in the old 'Hall of Heroes' sourcebook and then again in the manual for the 'Baldur's Gate' computer role-playing game as a former tutor of El's in what is now Waterdeep. When did (or did) this happen? Other interesting references are to El learning from merchants and "fences" in Scornubel, the merchant-mage Lycon "Wolf-beard", and (later) "such mages as Torose and Shalane of Taerloon". Care to shed any light on this? Finally, can you tell us about Alais, "an elven lady" with whom Elminster left the city of Myth Drannor "to begin an epic travel about the Realms to learn its lands and lore". What was their relationship, and would you be willing to share details of their time together? Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions, and for the gift of the Realms. Thank you also to THO, for gifting Ed's responses to us.”
Ed replies:



Solomon, you’re very welcome; it’s my pleasure. Here we go . . .
(The first) Mystra saw in the early Elminster a spirited character and resilience (seen in ELMINSTER: THE MAKING OF A MAGE) she both admired and deemed eminently usable. She took Elminster as a lover not just for her personal pleasure (please read here not orgasmic release but a return for her to the close, affectionate human contact she’d known as a mortal), but so as to be able to fine-tune his assimilation and development not just of the silver fire she imparted to him, but his knowledge of magic. She did NOT want a Chosen who turned into a martinet (or worse, a petty tyrant) because they gained too much magic, too fast; she wanted someone tempered by the experiences of slowly gaining, learning, and using magic the way all ‘ordinary’ mortals do. She needed her Chosen to FEEL independent of her, and so the very one she was holding closest she wanted to be the most independent-minded. She got that, in spades. :}
Wherefore she watched over Elminster and saved him from certain death many a time, but tried to do so unseen, so he’d not be aware of her guardianship. He was free to make his own way in the world, and do as he pleased (for one thing, this allowed her to judge his continuing suitability and loyalty to her causes). She very much wanted him to become worldly-wise and “street smart,” and if he consorted with rogues and poisoners and took many lovers in the process: why not? It was all part of tempering her tool to become stronger and more worthy, because she needed a ‘first among her Chosen’ (though she would never acknowledge this to him or them) in case a situation ever befell that he had to assume most of her power for a time. This of course eventually happened, in events chronicled in my Shadows of the Avatar trilogy (the working title for the first book was “Elminster’s Doom,” and that’s just what that task was: the fate and role he’d been prepared for).
Hence all the mages, sorcerers, rogues, and other expert tutors that El sought out and consorted with (the latter because many of his tutors required service in return for their teaching). You’ve uncovered just a handful among the many other mortals El learned magic, thieving techniques, and divers other lore and skills from, down the centuries. I don’t intend to ever make an exhaustive list or fully game-detail all of them (most are long dead, and I always have heaped platters of “detail this NOW” Realmslore matters pressing me more urgently). Of the specific individuals you ask about, let me say this: Torose (a hermaphrodite), Shalane (“his” sister), and Alais (an alias used by an elf ‘she’ of high birth and station) are all going to remain mysterious for now, because I just might get some future opportunity to tell their tales in some manner or other.
However, you certainly deserve to know more of Arkhon the Old.



I’ve chopped Ed’s reply in half here, to avoid the post-length limits, and will post it here tomorrow (obviously, it’s all about Arkhon, whom you’ll see is just one more of those Realms characters who is just a name until Ed lays details of them before us all, and you realize this is one more character who’s fascinating, and worthy of featuring in novels galore, just like Mirt, and Durnan, and - -). I of course add my “you’re welcome” to Solomon, echoing Ed, and await more keen questions of Realmslore from him and like-minded scribes.
Yours in Realmslore,
love to all,
THO
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Karth
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quote:
Originally posted by Jindael

As it happens, I ran a game for a pair of friends of mine who wanted to do something different than our normal game during the week. Our normal game was the standard fantasy fare, but the side game was much different. It was based on the characters owning a festhall (well, running a festhall; the establishment was actually owned by someone else who gave the PC’s the job of running it.) The short version of what the game was based around was the PC’s were Harper fronts who spent a lot of their time in finding and recruiting adventurers to do tasks for them, as well as deal with the local Zhents. Mostly trade stuff and the like. As such; we peppered our game with festhall terminology. I’m not Ed, of course, but this is what we used during the game.

Wingman became “sheildbearer”

Thanks for the input, Jindael. Good ideas, all. Your players obviously had some lively events in their festhall.

Still interested in Ed and THO's take on it as well, of course...


Cheers,

-Karth

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Asgetrion
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My thanks, once again, to both of you! Ed's answers were fantastic - as always :) I think many of those questions I would pester poor Ed about in the future have been answered in the Power of Faerun (I have to wait for the next payday until I buy it :)

Ahem, I have some questions about four obscure military/Purple Dragon ranks that have been featured in your novels. Namely, Lancelord, Swordlord, Warcaptain and Boldshield (the first three in Death of the dragon and the last one in Stormlight). I have assumed that Boldshield might be a "unique" rank, and that the others are "battlefield ranks" granted when a more complex command structure (such as during a war) is needed? Am I wrong here?

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Hello again, everybody. As promised, here’s the second half of Ed’s response to Solomon:



However, you certainly deserve to know more of Arkhon the Old.
Picture a man with a mellifluous voice, a flowing white heard and shoulder-length hair, striking eyes, and a burly beard (okay, Lorne Greene plus beard), who always wears plain black robes (eventually revealed to be a huge symbiotic creature that could fly while wrapped around Arkhon, and also underwater give him the same sort of abilities conferred by a cloak of the manta ray, though this creature wasn’t magical). Thanks to this still-mysterious creature and his own robust constitution, Arkhon lived for more than eight centuries (hence his nickname; despite what you may have read and I or editors may have written elsewhere, his lifespan is now BELIEVED [i.e. this may someday change again] to be the late summer of -14 DR to halfway through 1004 DR), aging and dying as his “companion” did (his last spark of sentience is one of the twelve bound into the guardian wards of the Vault of Sages in Silverymoon in the early years of its existence). Said creature drank trifling amounts of life-essence, human sensation, and magical energy, and so wanted to be in the presence of someone who often used magic and experienced both physical love and strong emotions.
Arkhon was that extremely charismatic someone. He was born in Calimshan (and given quite a different name, of course), but fled his family and that society to wander the world, going first to Tethyr and then all over the Realms as a servant (not apprentice, but a drudge) to various wizards, showing from the first an innate grasp of languages, a shrewdness in judging the true intentions of others, and an unfailing, exacting (we might say “photographic”) memory. On the sly, he experimented with magic, and discovered he had an aptitude for the Art (i.e. he could become a wizard, with the proper training).
Eventually he found himself the last survivor when a powerful mage he was serving “fell out” with his apprentices, and ended up the possessor of numerous spellbooks, scrolls, magic items, and coins. Arkhon hid most of this, and set about apprenticing himself to wizard after wizard, paying for his training with item after spellbook, and with superb skill playing the part of a nervous, shy, ‘bookish’ non-threat to anyone.
A role he dropped like a cloak in 27 DR, when he judged himself powerful enough, let his true charisma and spell-mastery show, and set himself up as an advisor to petty ruler after petty ruler (mainly city-states in the Vilhon and Tashalar), emphasizing that he wasn’t looking for personal power, but merely for a temporary role to ‘set things right,’ whereupon he’d move on. And so he did, gratifying courtiers and rulers alike (and using his station to plunder the libraries of the rulers he selected - - for having such libraries - - of the spells he wanted, copying their spells into his own books).
When he wearied of the perils of political life (read: repeated attempts on his life, and the misplaced hatred of folk who didn’t even know him, but had been convinced by others that he was the reason for this or that ill or decision), Arkhon left it behind him to become a tutor of mages in various Sword Coast cities, moving north from Tethyr over the years. During this time he “acquired” his symbiote, providing it with nearly ideal conditions (what with his constant spellcasting, numerous lovers among local ladies of high rank or wealth and his apprentices, and passionate personal nature; Arkhon was a man of mood swings, sudden rages, and great love and tenderness; he was also reportedly, aided and abetted by the extra ‘appendages’ his symbiote could fashion, a peerless lover). Those passions and romantic involvements made him unwelcome, over time, in city after city, and eventually he came to the Sword Coast North, with many female apprentices, to dwell ‘in the wilds’ and work magic. He was always friendly with elves, and became a liaison between various elves and dwarves in many matters, while continuing to attract “followers” into his household.
Seeking to avoid being seen as a threat-to-rulers in his new chosen ‘home’ region (and being pushed into becoming a rival to the newly-arrived Halaster Blackcloak by those who wanted him to take on this role, or getting involved in the almost ceaseless skirmishes of the North), Arkhon began to emphasize his learning rather than his spell-mastery, and set himself up as a sage. He successfully ‘withdrew’ in the public eye into the role of scholar, moving often and retaining a dwindling number of mistresses and apprentices, but (much as Elminster later did) worked hard to establish his departing “followers” in the places and professions they desired to have, and retain them as friends in an ever-expanding network of supporters and contacts. Arkhon sponsored many businesses and provided “short -tutoring” (as in: I’ll teach you this one spell, throughly, or this one magical process), and profited handsomely thereby. On several occasions, former followers designated him their heirs-of-property, and so he gained various keeps, smallholds, and caches of funds. This in turn inevitably brought him into conflict with raiding dragons - - and his symbiote seemed to become addicted to dragon blood, so Arkhon became a hunter (slayer) of dragons on the sly, while retaining the public profile of a mild-mannered sage (and the more private roles of short-tutor of magics and lusty lover).
He lived like this until 994 DR, when something happened that caused him to come alone to Waterdeep, where he promptly romanced Laroun (the ruling War Lord) and became her behind-the-scenes confidant, refuge, and save-the-day protector. He was never her consort nor sole lover, and in public he completely hid his connection with her, setting himself up in a secluded and modest walled home in an unfashionable part of the city, as a “short -tutor” (see above) of magic. Elminster was just one of many pupils who traded coins and magic for his teachings, though they became fast friends and Arkhon occasionally called on Elminster for backup, just as Laroun called on Arkhon. (There’s no evidence that Arkhon ever knew of Elminster’s relationship with Mystra or the true extent of Elminster’s developing powers.)
Arkhon began to fail and grow feeble very quickly in 1004, when his symbiote did, and Elminster was called upon by certain a certain lady elf (herself a powerful mage, and one of Arkhon’s longtime lovers who visited him by chance and found him dying) to help convey the failing man to Silverymoon, where he perished happily, seeing his entry into the guardian magics of the Vault as “a way onward.” It’s rumored Elminster later bound his awareness into a magic weapon or item, so he could ‘see more of the Realms’ in the ever-passing years, as he was borne about the North.



So saith Ed. So have a care, ladies: the next time you pull out that hand-mirror and activate its glow so you can inspect the pimples on your backside, you just may be holding old Arkhon out for a better leering look at the view.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 20 Mar 2006 00:43:34
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In case no one noticed... Oroon Rising - Chap. 11 has been posted.

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