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Naeryndam
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  03:06:04  Show Profile Send Naeryndam a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Does anyone have a clue as to where Lamruil planted the Tree of Souls? Where do you think the new elven haven will be?


KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  03:31:54  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd say lets hope this is one of the loose ends that Elaine works into her upcoming ending to the Songs and Swords series of books.
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Dhomal
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  04:20:25  Show Profile Send Dhomal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello-

My memory is not what it once was - but I recall wondering the same thing. If everything I remember serves me right - I remember coming to the conclusion that it was to the North of the Spine of the World mountains somewhere - as I seem to remember it being in a very cold area - that was very vast - and very - empty....

But - my memory might be serving someone else just now....

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Kentinal
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That appears to be the stated plan, however I do not believe it has been officially planted yet so location can change for any number of reasons. There certainly is a lot of fan speculation on the Tree being planted in that area.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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The Sage
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  04:43:20  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Naeryndam

Does anyone have a clue as to where Lamruil planted the Tree of Souls? Where do you think the new elven haven will be?

Some thoughts from Elaine:-

"23 Jun 2004
Arion, the story of Prince Lamruil and the kingdom he established has not yet been told. I rather doubt it will be. The emphasis is currently on the establishment of an elven presence on the mainland. The Retreat is over, and talk of a hidden kingdom is. . . out of fashion, for lack of a better term.

[...]

27 Dec 2004
Whatever happened to Prince Lamruil, Maura, and the Tree of Souls?

Forgotten Realms readers have been asking me this question since the publication of Evermeet, Island of the Elves in 1998. I'm very pleased to announce that an answer is finally on its way.

A proposal for a novella-length story for Realms of the Elves, the next Forgotten Realms anthology, received a go-ahead nod. "The Tree of Souls" is a story I've been waiting a long time to tell. The longer format (about 20,000 words) is a perfect length for this tale. The final revision is due July 2005, and the book is scheduled for release in early 2006.

For new readers, here's a quick summary:

After the invasion of Evermeet in DR 1371, Amlaruil, Queen of all Elves, entrusted her youngest son, Prince Lamruil, with one of the elves' greatest artifacts: the Tree of Souls. Once planted, it will create a gradually enlarging sphere protected by ancient High Magic, and thus establish a new elven kingdom, a new haven for the elven people. Prince Lamruil, along with his human bride Maura and a widely varied group of elven adventurers, set out to find a foothold in the most remote, unaccessible, and forbidding lands of northernmost Faerun.

For long-time readers, here's a note about continuity and change:

Nearly eight years have passed since Evermeet was written, and FR readers and gamers have seen many changes to the Realms and the d20 game mechanics. The elven people, drow and surface dwellers alike, have undergone considerable change. Although "Tree of Souls" will continue a tale begun under Second Edition rules and will be written with established lore firmly in mind, the story will be written in accordance with 3E rules and current attitudes toward FR elves. The People have survived for untold thousands of years, and weathered many changes. It's my opinion that their chroniclers should display a similar flexibility.

[…]

"Tree of Souls" explores a number of themes and issues, none of which involve the question of "good-aligned" drow on Evermeet. While I understand this might be of interest to many readers, this particular story doesn't seem the right place to address it. Right after a devastating attack on Evermeet--an attack in which drow played a significant part--the elves would be unlikely to place this question high on their priority list. Nor would the followers of Eilistraee, assuming they had reasonably good political instincts, chose this particular moment to press their case for inclusion. Keep in mind that the elves of Evermeet, unlike most of us, have not read a dozen books about Drizzt Do'Urden. Elves are not inclined toward political correctness. Their history, theology, culture, and recent experiences give them no reason to reach out to the drow.

On a brighter note, I recently commissioned a portrait of Prince Lamruil from Kay Allen for use on my website and other promotions. He'll be holding the Tree of Souls, gazing at a forbidding icy landscape. Can't wait to see what Kay does with the character!

[...]

Lamruil, the youngest son, has been an adventurer for years. He was not widely liked by the nobles of Evermeet, considered too young and frivolous to rule, but he held the throne briefly following the sacrifice of Amlaruil. He happily abdicated the throne back to his mother, and undertook the task of planting the Tree of Souls on the mainland. He has chosen a hidden valley far to the north, a place surrounded by incredibly inhospitable terrain. He will be kept very busy recruiting a following, subduing the land, and establishing the colony. His consort, a mostly-human woman named Maura, will probably prove to be equal parts help and hindrance. It is unlikely that their children will succeed him as ruler. Maura is a teenager, but she is also impulsive, a warrior, and a human. None of those things lend to an impressive life expectancy. It is likely that the elves tolerate her, believing that they can put up with her for a human's relatively short span. Lamruil will undoubtedly be urged to take an elven consort and produce suitable heirs - either before or after Maura's death.

Or perhaps another form of government, one not based on monarchy or hereditary nobility, will evolve. One thing is certain: Lamruil will return to Evermeet to rule only if he feels the island has no other acceptible options. He would gladly throw his support behind a likely candidate for the throne. Like most of Toril's elves, however, he hopes that the end of Queen Amlaruil's reign will be very long in coming.

[...]

13 May 2005
Realms of the Elves
A week or so ago, I called the editor and withdrew from this anthology. This was an incredibly difficult thing to do. The story was one I've been wanting to tell for a very long time. I was looking forward to revisiting the elves of the Forgotten Realms and picking up a story thread from Evermeet. But something had to give, and unfortunately, this was it.

Right now I'm focusing on finishing up the EverQuest book, clearing my desk, and resolving health issues. Then I'll focus on developing new work methods."


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Lashaeral
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  02:42:02  Show Profile Send Lashaeral a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It says in the history of the realms book I think it was planted in cormanthor,

I know this is threadomanc... but I found this post, and had been about to make a new thread on this very topic, so thought It better to reply to this one instead..

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  05:17:16  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-The Tree of Souls was planted in Myth Drannor, in DR 1378 (might be 1379?).

-It's a long and complicated journey, filled with what-ifs, assumptions, editorial oversight, due dates, and all kind of other stuff. Stay with me now:

-So, Elaine Cunningham's Evermeet: Island of the Elves ended with Prince Lamruil planning on planting the Tree of Souls. In the interim decade between when the book was published, and the mid-2000s, it was basically a plot point that was never picked up on. In the mid-2000s, when the Last Mythal trilogy came out, the last book in the series, Final Gate featured the Tree of Souls. Since we were under the impression that Lamruil took it with him up north and planted it, we were justifiably confused. Inquiries were made, and it turns out that Rich Baker didn't realize that the Tree of Souls was, as we all assumed, otherwise in Lamruil's hidden kingdom (which, we would soon learn was to be called Auseriel). So, it turns out, for in-game and meta-game reasons, that it needed to not be there by the time The Last Mythal trilogy ended, chronologically. When A Grand History of the Realms was published, we learned how the Tree of Souls went from Lamruil's kingdom to Evermeet, and then from Evermeet to with the Elven Crusade. Shortly after the events of E:IotE, Lamruil left with a party to found his northern kingdom, Auseriel. He had the Tree of Souls with him, to plant. Before the settlement could get up and running, in DR 1373, it was attacked by White Dragons under the influence of the Rage of the Dragons and basically leveled. The Tree of Souls (along with Prince Lamruil, presumably) was escorted back to Evermeet, for safety. When the dust settled, not only was Lamruil's consort, Maura, gone, but Auseriel completely leveled. So, in effect, the dream was dead. Coincidentally, in DR 1374, the Elven Crusade began. Initially Queen Amlauril permitted the Crusade to take with it the Tree of Souls (still unplanted) as a means to protect themselves against the Demons and Yugoloth that Sarya Dlardraegeth and Malkizid, the Crusade's primary opponents, were summoning. Eventually, the Elven Crusade defeated them, and reclaimed Myth Drannor. A new coronal, Ilsevele Miritar, was chosen by the Srinshee, as described in the 1375-1385 DR "future" section of AGHotR, and a "new" Cormanthyr was born. In celebration of all of this, the Tree of Souls was planted in Myth Drannor, a sign that the Elves had returned to Faerūn. Presumably, new literature in both Reclaimation and the anthology or two that Elaine Cunningham had written, would have explained more of what was going on, but because of events outside of her control, Elaine had to pull out of those ventures.

-So, in the end, the Tree of Souls is planted in Myth Drannor, and continuity head-scratchers that once existed have been smoothed over, and everything works out, but it was all one hell of a ride to get there.

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Edited by - Lord Karsus on 30 Apr 2011 05:18:03
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