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Lord Rad
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 :  15:34:42  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Ok, so last year we had the huge City of the Spider Queen adventure module. WotC stated somewhere that they would release an epic FR adventure module of this scale every year, does anyone have any rumors on what this years is all about and when it is likely to be released?

I wish WotC would keep us going with some 96-page adventures in the meantime though

Lord Rad

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 02 Apr 2003 :  18:06:33  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well as far as products go, were almost update with the mentioned FR releases (after the next product which is the Unapproachable East sourcebook), so has anyone any further information on whats rumored to be upcoming? I would have thought WotC would have hinted at some detail of this years adventure module.

Somebody?! Anybody?

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AulayanDuerf
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Posted - 03 Apr 2003 :  00:08:53  Show Profile  Visit AulayanDuerf's Homepage Send AulayanDuerf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They decided not to do published adventures anymore. It's not economically feasible or something.

It'd be nice if they'd license out the Realms to third companies, for adventures only. But that's a pipe dream.
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 03 Apr 2003 :  08:05:42  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AulayanDuerf

They decided not to do published adventures anymore. It's not economically feasible or something.

It'd be nice if they'd license out the Realms to third companies, for adventures only. But that's a pipe dream.





Are you serious AulayanDuerf?? Where did you hear of this? That is just ridiculous! So were gonna get just novels and sourcebooks but no adventures to play in these newly detailed locations?!?

I think I need to go and lie down!

Lord Rad

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AulayanDuerf
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Posted - 03 Apr 2003 :  17:23:34  Show Profile  Visit AulayanDuerf's Homepage Send AulayanDuerf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Heard it from EN World, and I think it may be somewhere on Wizards site, but not sure about that.

Well, small adventures may show up in back of books, but I doubt it. There's still Dungeon magazine, but they usually only publish generic D&D and not FR Specific. And there's the wizards website, which also publishes adventures. But again, usually generic D&D very rarely FR Specific.
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Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
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Posted - 04 Apr 2003 :  04:52:57  Show Profile  Visit Bellua Aeneus Lacerta's Homepage Send Bellua Aeneus Lacerta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 04 Apr 2003 :  08:13:20  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe one of the Realmslore scribes from WotC who frequent this forum can delve into this and perhaps shed any light? I personally think this is a disasterous decision and bad for FR!

After WotC being so excited about City of the Spider Queen last year, id have thought they would be hammering away for this years adventure ::gutted::

Lord Rad

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zemd
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Posted - 11 Apr 2003 :  21:12:21  Show Profile Send zemd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's true that City of the Spider Queen is a great adventure. I'll master it in July and August. How many hours does it requires?
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George Krashos
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It's confirmed that there will be no more FR modules as part of the product line. It seems they just don't sell like they used to ...

Focus will be on 1 regional sourcebook a year, with another 2 or so more general FR products to go with it.

I'd love to see more, but I'll take what I can get.

-- George Krashos

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  09:16:42  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I really dont know what to say! Thats absolutely ridiculous!

What is the point in releasing sourcebooks on regions and not giving us any modules to play in those regions?! Generic d20 modules are NOT the answer either.

Back in the good old days of TSR.....
::numerous scribes moan around the room at the start of another or Rads ancient rants::
....ahem, modules for the Realms were numerous throughout the year! Ok, so they werent epic adventures but at least they allowed us to play in the Realms. I cant understand how you can have a D&D product line like FR and NOT provide actual adventures to play in the setting!!!?

Have WotC (or more likely Hasbro, the evil behind it all) thought that the lack of modules released over the last few years is the reason they havent sold? People have had to design their own adventures to keep their campaigns alive as nothing official has been released to buy!! Ok, so CotSQ was released.......not much good for the other.... ::rolls percentile dice::... 87% of campaigns that are being run on the surface and not in the Underdark!!

ARGH! I despair!

Lord Rad

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zemd
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I completly agree with Rad. Usually i NEVER play modules, i prefer to create my own campaigns. But when i read CotSQ, i was so impressed that i decided to play it.
Very disappointed!
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Elrond Half Elven
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  14:15:25  Show Profile  Visit Elrond Half Elven's Homepage  Click to see Elrond Half Elven's MSN Messenger address Send Elrond Half Elven a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok There now seems to be two things we can do:
1)Complain to Wizards
2)Pull all our resources and start to post our Adventures on the Web. Candlekeep already has a small collection of Advenutres, what i don't like about most Adventure sites is that it says that the Adventure takes place in the Realms, it doesnt actually tell you where, you need to download the adventure first!
Perhaps if we where to send our Adventures to Alaundo he would post them on a 2nd Edition, or a 3E Adventure Page with the Area, Levels and Blurb Clearly displayed in a table Come on Alaundo You know you want to!

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Mournblade
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  17:35:12  Show Profile  Visit Mournblade's Homepage  Send Mournblade an AOL message  Click to see Mournblade's MSN Messenger address  Send Mournblade a Yahoo! Message Send Mournblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most likely this is a function of the Hasbro corporation. I will not Rant because I am extreme anti-corporation. When Hasbro bought Wizards, lots of people were excited because of the 'backing'. I was not excited. With big corporations come Big marketers. Marketers are half the reason that intellectual endeavors and products suffer. Look at movies made for the masses. You can have a great movie, but then you have to soften it for the average (often ignorant) movie watcher.

ANd if the FR stop selling to the extent Hasbro wants, do not doubt they would drop it without a thought. Wizards was a company of gamers. Hasbro is a company of suits. Therein lies the danger.


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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  18:06:22  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They're not just marketers. Those people you can live with. The people at Hasbro are mass marketers. They think that the best way to get the biggest profit is by trying to please everyone. That just makes things superficial, artificial, and very two-dimentional.

Guess they never heard Lincoln's famous saying . . . .

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Alaundo
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  18:35:54  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well Met

Indeed Elrond, we would welcome any fan-created adventures of the Realms to go up proudly on the Adventures in Faerun shelf.

Back to the news of the decision to stop production of Realms adventures by Wotc..... I am personally very disturbed by this news. I totally agree with you mournblade94, and although the initial news of the Hasbro-WotC takeover was received by myself with the hope of our beloved Realms reaching a larger audience, I was quickly fearing the worst and having read a certain scroll, my fears were comfirmed. This latest decision can only be damaging, certainly from the view of new fans to the Realms and indeed D&D.... why would anyone want to buy sourcebooks on a campaign in which you cannot play, as there are no adventures!?

I dont often speak out, but on this occassion, I feel disheartened enough by these actions to a point on wanting to hang up my robe in despair

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Edited by - Alaundo on 12 Apr 2003 18:36:45
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Mournblade
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  19:11:22  Show Profile  Visit Mournblade's Homepage  Send Mournblade an AOL message  Click to see Mournblade's MSN Messenger address  Send Mournblade a Yahoo! Message Send Mournblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What I AM convinced of is that the Forgotten Realms will never die. I imagine if there was a collapse, and Hasbro Dropped the world, then there would be some group of fans out there that would do for the realms that the new I.C.E. guys did for that bankrupt company. Fans bought the rights to the intellectual property and began publishing the material. I.C.E. is back. The fans bought the name, and the property. Ofcourse it won't make the money WoTC does, but I think for those people it is not about money.

As proof of what marketing does to intellectual property: Look at the Phantom Menace. What a blow to the entire Star Wars mythos. Putting in those dumb jokes, and things for the video games. I like Phantom Menace because it was star wars, but I cannot say it was a good movie

I just read the scroll Alaundo showed us. It looks like what I feared is happening. If I would of known about the review I would of sent one in. I love the Silver Marches, and now I am very sad

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Edited by - Mournblade on 12 Apr 2003 19:24:58
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 12 Apr 2003 :  21:37:12  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Never have I read something so funny and yet so sad.

Personally, I like smooth, rather than crunchy. If I didn't then I wouldn't only just now be getting into the games themselves.

Stupid Beanie Brothers.

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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 14 Apr 2003 :  19:27:03  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven

... a 2nd Edition, or a 3E Adventure Page with the Area, Levels and Blurb Clearly displayed in a table...



There's a site that has some adventure moduals for download . . . I really don't know how good they are, being as I have no referance for a "good" adventure modual, but you can see for yourself. It's at a site I've linked to before, called Defrag's Realms, on the Adventures page.

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George Krashos
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My understanding is that there will be more of an effort to put FR-specific adventures in Dungeon magazine so as to alleviate the "no FR adventures in the product line" decision. The fact is, no FR module has ever sold brilliantly. Due to their very nature they are hard to fit into a 'normal' FR campaign (as in, how do I fit "Into the Dragon's Lair" into my personal Waterdeep game), they're an expensive one-shot when you can get a whole bunch in Dungeon and IMHO the last bunch of FR modules haven't been that good. I exempt "City of the Spider Queen" as I haven't read it.

Mind you, I have most of the FR modules simply because the majority of them were written by Ed or Steven Schend. You knew you were going to get some great realmslore even if you never ran the module. Look at Ed's FA1 Halls of the High King, or Steven's Undermountain trilogy. They enhanced and added to the Realms rather than just being smacked down somewhere in them.

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zemd
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Posted - 15 Apr 2003 :  10:51:47  Show Profile Send zemd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But an adventure in Dungeon Magazine can't have the depht of a module like CotSQ.
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kahonen
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Posted - 15 Apr 2003 :  21:18:47  Show Profile  Visit kahonen's Homepage Send kahonen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zemd

But an adventure in Dungeon Magazine can't have the depht of a module like CotSQ.

... Plus, of course, there's the recent problems with the distribution of Dungeon and Dragon Magazine.

I have to say, none of the above surprises me, I am very surprised, however, at how keen averyone still is to buy 3.5E when it comes out. Makes me wonder what Hasbro have to do before people stop throwing money at them.

Boy, am I glad I stuck with 2nd edition. Downloads from Kazaa, anyone?
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Lord Hoth
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quote:
"I have to say, none of the above surprises me, I am very surprised, however, at how keen averyone still is to buy 3.5E when it comes out. Makes me wonder what Hasbro have to do before people stop throwing money at them."

Have to agree with that one. In my opinion wizards dug there own grave with making d20 open licence, not that its a bad thing....its nice to have varied worlds, rules and companies. But in terms of adventures their sales dropped off b/c now they have to compete with virtually every other company for your money. its far cheaper to buy a $5 AEG adventure and set it in the realms than to buy a $30+ official FR adventure.

quote:
"Boy, am I glad I stuck with 2nd edition. Downloads from Kazaa, anyone?"
amen. I must say that WotC's lack of support for earlier editions annoys me, what i would like to see at least is them making the old adventures guild FR adventures into downloads (id even pay for them). if you dont know to what im refering here's a link:
http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/Periodicals/AGindex.html

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The Sage
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This is disappointing news indeed. Of course I am sorry I took so long to reply, but it took me a while to sort through what I was feeling about this news when I read it last month.

As a consequence, it really doesn't affect me too much, because since the beginning of 3e I have been running my own homebrew campaigns. I purchased CotSQ, but as yet have not run the adventure. While I would have like to see an epic adventure published maybe once or twice a year, obviously WotC feels differently.

Back in 2e edition however, I ran nearly every single module, there was some greats there.

As a final thought, maybe we, the devoted scribes and sages of the Candlekeep forums should get together, and create an epic adventure of our own for FR.

What do you think?

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Mournblade
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Posted - 29 May 2003 :  01:06:35  Show Profile  Visit Mournblade's Homepage  Send Mournblade an AOL message  Click to see Mournblade's MSN Messenger address  Send Mournblade a Yahoo! Message Send Mournblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth

This is disappointing news indeed. Of course I am sorry I took so long to reply, but it took me a while to sort through what I was feeling about this news when I read it last month.

As a consequence, it really doesn't affect me too much, because since the beginning of 3e I have been running my own homebrew campaigns. I purchased CotSQ, but as yet have not run the adventure. While I would have like to see an epic adventure published maybe once or twice a year, obviously WotC feels differently.

Back in 2e edition however, I ran nearly every single module, there was some greats there.

As a final thought, maybe we, the devoted scribes and sages of the Candlekeep forums should get together, and create an epic adventure of our own for FR.

What do you think?

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That is a MOST excellent Idea!!!!
I'll be in!

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Brynweir
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quote from Sage of Perth:[As a final thought, maybe we, the devoted scribes and sages of the Candlekeep forums should get together, and create an epic adventure of our own for FR.

What do you think?]

Go for it! Everything I've seen you guys create so far has been excellent.

Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D

He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.

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The Sage
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Okay then, I guess we have some background work to do then.

I am going to start a new thread in the 'Adventuring' section to work on some ideas,




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