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Shadovar
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Posted - 03 May 2006 :  03:58:28  Show Profile  Visit Shadovar's Homepage Send Shadovar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In my perspective, the Simbul had the great potential to be a powerful archwizard but she is merely a walking timebomb to the realms.

The greatest spellcaster would had to be the Netherese archwizards such as Iolaum Lvl 41. Following it up should be Telamont Lvl 35, his powers are complimented by his active wise mind, making him a potent stable force for evil. Even Queen Amlaruil should be lined up with these two as well, her command of High Magics augmented with wisdom makes her a stable force for good.

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Ergdusch
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Certainly - my vote goes to: Elminster the Old Sage! He simply is the most powerful and intersting, having out-"lived" them all, raised three of those that are also on this very poll themselves and being the only one who had an intimate experience with a god (or goddess in his case) and survived it. Besides - who are Khelben "Black"-what and Hallaster anyway?! ;)


Elminster rules! Hail to Elminster! Bravo!

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P.S.: One should never forget Azuth the Lord of Spells, who has made his way into the FR pantheon afterall, as well as Velsharoon Archmage of Necromany, who seems to be well on his way to true deity status. And what about Harkle Harpell??? Just a few thoughts in the aftermath...

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The Cardinal
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The One and Only Karsus, You don't see that doddering Old El trying to Rip power from a God do ya


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... No Larloch?

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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by The Cardinal

The One and Only Karsus, You don't see that doddering Old El trying to Rip power from a God do ya



Where though has the trying brought Karsus to? Only painful death and a world in chaos and ruins. (what a waste of potential, by the way.) Is not Wisdom and Forsight also part of determining a spellcasters greatness and power?

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Sarephim
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What about Vhostym from the Erevis Cale Trilogy? I would think he would be on the list. Anyone who can single handedly kill millions and raze entire worlds has some serious power.
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FridayThe13th
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Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!! You forgot to add that uber-badass. Well, since he is not there I will vote for Szarss Tam.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!!


He's not an archlich. An archlich is another type of critter altogether -- it's a type of good-aligned lich.

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GothicDan
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He's an Ultralich. :)

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danifae
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I voted halastar, though on second thought I should've done elminster. However I've been greatly impressed by the undermountain.
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Kalin Agrivar
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!!


He's not an archlich. An archlich is another type of critter altogether -- it's a type of good-aligned lich.



Larloch is a good lich ?!?

I agree with Gothicdan, he is described as an Ultralich...which really didn't mean anything, just a title to say he is a super-bad lich

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GothicDan
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Well, and also to mean he probably has abilities above and beyond those of other liches - the least of which that we know about being his curses.

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FridayThe13th
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!!


He's not an archlich. An archlich is another type of critter altogether -- it's a type of good-aligned lich.



Oh, sorry, I meant Ultralich. I thought Archlich and Ultralich were one and the same? I didn't know there were good liches.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!!


He's not an archlich. An archlich is another type of critter altogether -- it's a type of good-aligned lich.



Oh, sorry, I meant Ultralich. I thought Archlich and Ultralich were one and the same? I didn't know there were good liches.



Archlichs and baelnorns are two types of lich that are good-aligned. Alatheene Moonstar, in Waterdeep, is an archlich. I can't recall any named baelnorns off the top of my head, but Kuje's NPC list surely names a couple.

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by FridayThe13th

Um, where is my favorite Archlich, LARLOCH!!!!!


He's not an archlich. An archlich is another type of critter altogether -- it's a type of good-aligned lich.



Oh, sorry, I meant Ultralich. I thought Archlich and Ultralich were one and the same? I didn't know there were good liches.



Archlichs and baelnorns are two types of lich that are good-aligned. Alatheene Moonstar, in Waterdeep, is an archlich. I can't recall any named baelnorns off the top of my head, but Kuje's NPC list surely names a couple.



Indeed it does, both the 1/2e version and the 3/3.5e version does. :)

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 :  18:13:49  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

He's an Ultralich. :)



Talking about Ultralichs, and Druth Daern?
Something new about him?

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GothicDan
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Druuth isn't an Ultralich!

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Chosen of Moradin
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quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan

Druuth isn't an Ultralich!



Well, IŽll not say this too loud, nor too much close of Myth Drannor.

HeŽs always lurking in the shadows, I swear this!

Chosen of Moradin, the target of so many fireballs...

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GothicDan
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Fireballs?

Try Meteor Swarms and Chain Lightning. *Twitches at his only encounter with a lich, at least 10 levels higher than his character.*

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Marc
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Karsus, of course.

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Corran Horn
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Well, Karsus in 2 ed. was 41 level wizard. Ioulaum is also 41 level wizard, but he is also lich and elder brain, so he is much more powerfull than Karsus was. Srinshee is 40 level wizard and she is chosen of Mystra.
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Power is a tricky thing, though. Ioulaum is brought up all the time, but he's immobile and--as I've heard--not all that interested in combat and being a "mover and shaker".

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Manshoon will pwn everyone once he figures out how to shift his consciousness between his clones...


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Entreri1000
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Sheer power wise has to be Larloch, was level 45, under new rules he is level 36. Ed said Telemont comes very close to Larloch. Telemont being level 35.


Telemont easily tames a dragolich (ruler of the Blues) to do his every bidding.

Karsus etc, were around level 42, but using the new rule sets, they are around level 34 (i.e. slightly less powerful than Telemont is now). Karsus had Godhood for a while, just because he gets it does not necessarily mean he is the most powerful, may be the others were wiser...


If you are thinking these surviving Netherese would grow in levels over time, that is logical, but Halaster is 4000 years old, and still level 30...

Erevis Cale trilogy supermage: Somebody mentioned the Sorjourner (sp?), 12000 years old, destroyer of worlds, he has be well over level 30, may be even around level 40 (or level 50 using earlier rules).

So, power wise:

1) Larloch 2) Telemont

Others like Simbul, Sammaster, Eliminster, Halaster, Szas Tam are all around level 30....Thus Eliminster would be #1 (in a novle he defeated the Simbul, Simbul also mentioned he was more powerful than her), unless one fights Halaster in Undermountain!
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