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Alisttair
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Posted - 10 May 2010 :  15:09:55  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

How can anyone choose anyone who is below the srinshee's level. Especially when Ed states she is the best spellcaster in fearun!!?????



Somewhat true. She comes close to Karsus in power, but not quite there yet.

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Nicolai Withander
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Ha ha... Yes so you say! But since she is level 54 its hard for me to see her as anything as the most powerful off all living!
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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

Ha ha... Yes so you say! But since she is level 54 its hard for me to see her as anything as the most powerful off all living!



Hmmm...actually she is the most powerful who isn't a deity....may serve well as an Exarch of Karsus.

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Nicolai Withander
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OHH my god you are impossible!!!
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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

OHH my god you are impossible!!!




And Karsus be that god I hope

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

How can anyone choose anyone who is below the srinshee's level. Especially when Ed states she is the best spellcaster in fearun!!?????



Somewhat true. She comes close to Karsus in power, but not quite there yet.



The Srinshee is powerful. But I don't think her powers can match Karsus's.

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I can't believe anybody is arguing against the creator of the realms
himself. If Ed says something, then its got to be so (until published
material trumps him.)
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

I can't believe anybody is arguing against the creator of the realms
himself. If Ed says something, then its got to be so (until published
material trumps him.)

I would think Ed ranks above the concept of "the best spellcaster." As such, you shouldn't be able to easily quantify the Ol' Bearded One's position in Realmsspace.

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althen artren
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Huh? Could you rewrite that sentence, Sage?
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The Sage
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Huh? Could you rewrite that sentence, Sage?


I meant, that you really can't vote for Ed because he's not actually in the setting.

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Sage, I don't think althen's voting for Ed; he's voting for the Srinshee, whom I believe actually is a more powerful arcane spellcaster than Karsus. She's certainly a more successful one; I mean, Karsus' greatest accomplishment was killing the god he was trying to help.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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So he is... my bad. I must've misread his post.

I think I need more sleep.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I think I need more sleep.



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You don't have those other volumes handy, eh? I seem to have misplaced my copies.

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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

Huh? Could you rewrite that sentence, Sage?


I meant, that you really can't vote for Ed because he's not actually in the setting.



Well if Elminster has visited our world I am sure he brought Ed along to visit the realms a few times, so in a sense, he is in the setting (albeit only sometimes)

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I totally agree with Ed.
I think that the best spellcaster is Srinshee and being a feminist I find it great that the best one is a woman.
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quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Hello everyone, I had just thought of a question and had been wondering for some time. All right, this poll asks all the scribes, veteran and elite scribes of candlekeep who you think is the best, most powerful, most superior spellcaster in the realms in terms of your own opinion, not based on some stats. A honest vote and honest reply is greatly appreciated, I express my thanks to all in advance. Thank you.





well, befoe I vote, might I ask on what grounds we ar talking here?

because Elminster is widely regarded as the most powerful and knowledgable of Magic in the Realms. he has definitely an innate understanding and connection with the Weave which cannot be denied. in that sense, he is like an extension of Mystra herself.

in contrast, Manshoon has proven himself the most talented mage in the Realms. he has unlocked secrets which to this day, nobody else has managed to duplicate. he has cloned himself numerous times and they all activated at once (which by the way, makes me wonder what exactly happened to his Soul/Spirit), and furthermore he has afterwards overcome the bug in that incredible feat of Spellcraft (the doppleganger-killing compulsion which pitted his clones against one another).

Khelben is by far the wisest Mage in teh Realms, in my personal honest opinion, and I think that that should account for something.

I wouldn't put Halaster Blackcloak in the top list on my personal opinion, though that isn't to say he deserves no consideration. I just personally think he's far too mad to count. he's powerful, yes, but nothing compared to the other mages. in most games that include an insane hermit wizard, said wizard has some kind of secret knowledge which poses a serious threat to the entire world. Halaster doesn't live up to that legacy. he'd make an awesome opponent in a Mage Duel though. =w=

so, I think my top three choices are Elminster, Khelben and Manshoon, depending on what qualities count for this question.

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althen artren
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So Sage, did you ever get that sleep yet?
Or are you a new world record holder???
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The Sage
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quote:
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So Sage, did you ever get that sleep yet?
Or are you a new world record holder???


Not as much as I'd like. The summer evenings here have been quite warm and very uncomfortable.

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Its called air conditioning. Check it out.
Wonderful device, really.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jelennet

I totally agree with Ed.
I think that the best spellcaster is Srinshee and being a feminist I find it great that the best one is a woman.



And yet, in the only story with Srinshee, she was not doing a whole lot, while the Simbul showed up and wrecked face.
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Firestorm
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quote:
Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight

quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Hello everyone, I had just thought of a question and had been wondering for some time. All right, this poll asks all the scribes, veteran and elite scribes of candlekeep who you think is the best, most powerful, most superior spellcaster in the realms in terms of your own opinion, not based on some stats. A honest vote and honest reply is greatly appreciated, I express my thanks to all in advance. Thank you.





well, befoe I vote, might I ask on what grounds we ar talking here?

because Elminster is widely regarded as the most powerful and knowledgable of Magic in the Realms. he has definitely an innate understanding and connection with the Weave which cannot be denied. in that sense, he is like an extension of Mystra herself.

in contrast, Manshoon has proven himself the most talented mage in the Realms. he has unlocked secrets which to this day, nobody else has managed to duplicate. he has cloned himself numerous times and they all activated at once (which by the way, makes me wonder what exactly happened to his Soul/Spirit), and furthermore he has afterwards overcome the bug in that incredible feat of Spellcraft (the doppleganger-killing compulsion which pitted his clones against one another).

Khelben is by far the wisest Mage in teh Realms, in my personal honest opinion, and I think that that should account for something.

I wouldn't put Halaster Blackcloak in the top list on my personal opinion, though that isn't to say he deserves no consideration. I just personally think he's far too mad to count. he's powerful, yes, but nothing compared to the other mages. in most games that include an insane hermit wizard, said wizard has some kind of secret knowledge which poses a serious threat to the entire world. Halaster doesn't live up to that legacy. he'd make an awesome opponent in a Mage Duel though. =w=

so, I think my top three choices are Elminster, Khelben and Manshoon, depending on what qualities count for this question.



Unless we are talking about the possibility of a Manshoon behind the scenes manipulating all his clones like puppets, he really does not belong in the conversation. Elminster has made him look like an inept bum every confrontation.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight

quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Hello everyone, I had just thought of a question and had been wondering for some time. All right, this poll asks all the scribes, veteran and elite scribes of candlekeep who you think is the best, most powerful, most superior spellcaster in the realms in terms of your own opinion, not based on some stats. A honest vote and honest reply is greatly appreciated, I express my thanks to all in advance. Thank you.





well, befoe I vote, might I ask on what grounds we ar talking here?

because Elminster is widely regarded as the most powerful and knowledgable of Magic in the Realms. he has definitely an innate understanding and connection with the Weave which cannot be denied. in that sense, he is like an extension of Mystra herself.

in contrast, Manshoon has proven himself the most talented mage in the Realms. he has unlocked secrets which to this day, nobody else has managed to duplicate. he has cloned himself numerous times and they all activated at once (which by the way, makes me wonder what exactly happened to his Soul/Spirit), and furthermore he has afterwards overcome the bug in that incredible feat of Spellcraft (the doppleganger-killing compulsion which pitted his clones against one another).

Khelben is by far the wisest Mage in teh Realms, in my personal honest opinion, and I think that that should account for something.

I wouldn't put Halaster Blackcloak in the top list on my personal opinion, though that isn't to say he deserves no consideration. I just personally think he's far too mad to count. he's powerful, yes, but nothing compared to the other mages. in most games that include an insane hermit wizard, said wizard has some kind of secret knowledge which poses a serious threat to the entire world. Halaster doesn't live up to that legacy. he'd make an awesome opponent in a Mage Duel though. =w=

so, I think my top three choices are Elminster, Khelben and Manshoon, depending on what qualities count for this question.



Unless we are talking about the possibility of a Manshoon behind the scenes manipulating all his clones like puppets, he really does not belong in the conversation. Elminster has made him look like an inept bum every confrontation.



I wholeheartedly AGREE!

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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight

quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Hello everyone, I had just thought of a question and had been wondering for some time. All right, this poll asks all the scribes, veteran and elite scribes of candlekeep who you think is the best, most powerful, most superior spellcaster in the realms in terms of your own opinion, not based on some stats. A honest vote and honest reply is greatly appreciated, I express my thanks to all in advance. Thank you.





well, befoe I vote, might I ask on what grounds we ar talking here?

because Elminster is widely regarded as the most powerful and knowledgable of Magic in the Realms. he has definitely an innate understanding and connection with the Weave which cannot be denied. in that sense, he is like an extension of Mystra herself.

in contrast, Manshoon has proven himself the most talented mage in the Realms. he has unlocked secrets which to this day, nobody else has managed to duplicate. he has cloned himself numerous times and they all activated at once (which by the way, makes me wonder what exactly happened to his Soul/Spirit), and furthermore he has afterwards overcome the bug in that incredible feat of Spellcraft (the doppleganger-killing compulsion which pitted his clones against one another).

Khelben is by far the wisest Mage in teh Realms, in my personal honest opinion, and I think that that should account for something.

I wouldn't put Halaster Blackcloak in the top list on my personal opinion, though that isn't to say he deserves no consideration. I just personally think he's far too mad to count. he's powerful, yes, but nothing compared to the other mages. in most games that include an insane hermit wizard, said wizard has some kind of secret knowledge which poses a serious threat to the entire world. Halaster doesn't live up to that legacy. he'd make an awesome opponent in a Mage Duel though. =w=

so, I think my top three choices are Elminster, Khelben and Manshoon, depending on what qualities count for this question.



Unless we are talking about the possibility of a Manshoon behind the scenes manipulating all his clones like puppets, he really does not belong in the conversation. Elminster has made him look like an inept bum every confrontation.



Perhaps she was holding back? Or maybe she believed there's no point showing what she could really do because there were others who could it for her, and just as effectively too. As the old adage goes, "Why do it when you can trust others to do it for you?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight

quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Hello everyone, I had just thought of a question and had been wondering for some time. All right, this poll asks all the scribes, veteran and elite scribes of candlekeep who you think is the best, most powerful, most superior spellcaster in the realms in terms of your own opinion, not based on some stats. A honest vote and honest reply is greatly appreciated, I express my thanks to all in advance. Thank you.





well, befoe I vote, might I ask on what grounds we ar talking here?

because Elminster is widely regarded as the most powerful and knowledgable of Magic in the Realms. he has definitely an innate understanding and connection with the Weave which cannot be denied. in that sense, he is like an extension of Mystra herself.

in contrast, Manshoon has proven himself the most talented mage in the Realms. he has unlocked secrets which to this day, nobody else has managed to duplicate. he has cloned himself numerous times and they all activated at once (which by the way, makes me wonder what exactly happened to his Soul/Spirit), and furthermore he has afterwards overcome the bug in that incredible feat of Spellcraft (the doppleganger-killing compulsion which pitted his clones against one another).

Khelben is by far the wisest Mage in teh Realms, in my personal honest opinion, and I think that that should account for something.

I wouldn't put Halaster Blackcloak in the top list on my personal opinion, though that isn't to say he deserves no consideration. I just personally think he's far too mad to count. he's powerful, yes, but nothing compared to the other mages. in most games that include an insane hermit wizard, said wizard has some kind of secret knowledge which poses a serious threat to the entire world. Halaster doesn't live up to that legacy. he'd make an awesome opponent in a Mage Duel though. =w=

so, I think my top three choices are Elminster, Khelben and Manshoon, depending on what qualities count for this question.



Unless we are talking about the possibility of a Manshoon behind the scenes manipulating all his clones like puppets, he really does not belong in the conversation. Elminster has made him look like an inept bum every confrontation.



Perhaps she was holding back? Or maybe she believed there's no point showing what she could really do because there were others who could it for her, and just as effectively too. As the old adage goes, "Why do it when you can trust others to do it for you?"



It is up to whoever is reading really.
Srinshee looked pretty inept vs Larloch's pet liches though. Her reputation may be just that. Reputation.

Ed has been known to pimp certain people up in his talks. The Manshoon manipulator behind the scenes puppetmastering all his clones was something Ed hinted at, saying perhaps Elminster would want nothing to do with the true Manshoon, etc

Hints about everything have been dropped here or there if you know where to look. There really is no "best caster" answer because everything dropped is just subtle tidbits designed to get the gamers creative juices flowing. You can make up a million answers and still be right
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