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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2009 : 23:50:24
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| Aye, due to the no 10th level+ law, technically nobody can be as powerful as a fullblown netheril arcanist, especially with the 45 level progression. |
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Draezen
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Apr 2009 : 13:13:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
We know next to nothing about Ioulaum. Even the material that provides us with the 'best information' is the Netheril boxed set -- with all its drawbacks and failings. I'm sure there is much, much more to learn about Ioulaum.
Well, at least we know he was quite determined... in wiping out orcs 
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For all we know, he was the Mystryl equivalent of a Chosen of Mystra. 
And to make things more interesting, he might not have known that he was. Maybe just like Karsus didn't know... 
Hmm, that makes me think of stating him out with a chosen template  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2009 : 15:27:17
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Originally posted by Tyr
Aye, due to the no 10th level+ law, technically nobody can be as powerful as a fullblown netheril arcanist, especially with the 45 level progression.
Well, that depends on how one defines "powerful." I don't think it's solely about spell levels. |
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bolf66
Seeker
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Posted - 04 May 2009 : 19:24:17
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| in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
811 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2009 : 02:18:48
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Originally posted by bolf66
in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 May 2009 : 03:57:12
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Id wonder if there would be a good idea to make a thread on who was the most active arcanist in the realms
I think that would be even harder to measure than who the most powerful is... |
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Draezen
Seeker
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Posted - 15 May 2009 : 12:32:53
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 May 2009 : 15:57:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Id wonder if there would be a good idea to make a thread on who was the most active arcanist in the realms
I think that would be even harder to measure than who the most powerful is...
Especially because we don't who about every character in Realms to begin with. The "most active arcanist" could be a character who has never seen print for any number of reasons (maybe it's a PC?). |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 15 May 2009 : 19:43:00
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Originally posted by Draezen
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time.
El would have done that himself had he, you know, not used every single fiber of power he had to close the rift.
Its canon. Elminster is stronger than Mystra. |
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Vhostym The Sojourner
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 01:06:27
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| Dude... What about Larloch and Vhostym? Larloch OWNS Szass Tam... Literally. And the Shrinshee... A level 30 wizard with alot of levels in high elven mage as well as being a chosen. And perhaps Hesperdan... though there is little info on JUST how powerful he was. And why not Rivalen?... But he is a demigod now soooo... The Lich drow Dyrr seemed pretty damn powerful and so did Gromph... Though i doubt either would top say... the Simbul. But my vote goes with Elminster. |
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Vhostym The Sojourner
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 01:11:50
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Draezen
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time.
El would have done that himself had he, you know, not used every single fiber of power he had to close the rift.
Its canon. Elminster is stronger than Mystra.
Elminster is sooo NOT stronger than Mystra. Mystra is a GODDESS! And a greater power at that. And she is goddess of magic. If she wanted she could denie the weave and WHIP any mage like there was no tommorow. Shame that Cyric killed her... I think by all standards that he did it a bit easily considering all that hype during the shadow of the avatar crysis that Mytra was "the strongest god" |
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bolf66
Seeker
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 16:08:30
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| in EL IN HELL wasn't there a flash back where EL and Simbul fought and she had him on the run |
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bolf66
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 16:56:57
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| I voted halaster but I like to change it because I remember a book that opened in undermountain where a anchient beholder was making a copy of shandril and up on the cealing HAL, EL and I think blackstaff where talking and EL punked Halaster |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 17:20:37
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Originally posted by bolf66
I voted halaster but I like to change it because I remember a book that opened in undermountain where a anchient beholder was making a copy of shandril and up on the cealing HAL, EL and I think blackstaff where talking and EL punked Halaster
Having read most of the Realms novels, I gotta say, I don't recall this one... Unless it was Escape From Undermountain, a book I've done my best to forget, because I found its depiction of how Halaster ran Undermountain to be against canon and utterly silly. |
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Draezen
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bolf66
Seeker
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2009 : 20:47:19
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no it was a seperate novel if anything for ill check on it and post when I have proper resorces
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2009 : 09:42:38
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by bolf66
in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
in heroes lorebook it describes simbuls years of fighting the red wizards as elevating her skills to that above even elminster. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 20 May 2009 : 21:15:52
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Originally posted by swifty
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by bolf66
in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
in heroes lorebook it describes simbuls years of fighting the red wizards as elevating her skills to that above even elminster.
It did not say that at all. It implied her power was nearing Elminsters, not greater than.
And in the much more recent epic level handbook, as well as the words of Greenwood who invented those characters, Elminster is still the kingpin after Larloch.
Elminster in the epic level handbook is Male Human (Chosen of Mystra) Fighter 1/Rogue
2/Cleric 3/Wizard 24/Archmage 5: CR 39
Simbul is listed as Female Human (Chosen of Mystra) Sorcerer 20/
Archmage 2/Wizard 10: CR 36
and it implies he is generally the best of the best.
Her multitude of years battling red wizards does not even begin to cover the countless scores of battles Elminster was involved in vs the Zhentarim, Red wizards, and thousands of other mages before she was even born. He helped rear most of the seven sisters. |
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Eye of Horus-Re
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 18:25:21
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| Elminster, hands down. He would beat them all with cantrips and 1st level spells! He is that clever (his greatest strength). |
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Iolaum 13
Acolyte
Greece
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Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 13:49:34
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| I voted Karsus but i think Iolaum had a place in the poll too |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2009 : 19:42:10
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by swifty
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by bolf66
in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill
erm.why does it say in my 1996 edition of heroes lorebook "the simbul is a wild and unpredictable foe in spell battle.decades of duelling the arrogant red wizards of thay have elevated her skill in this area to heights unreached even by elminster."there words not mine.she is also classed as 30th level mage whilst elminster is 29th level.i dont neccessarily agree with it but this was canon.
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
in heroes lorebook it describes simbuls years of fighting the red wizards as elevating her skills to that above even elminster.
It did not say that at all. It implied her power was nearing Elminsters, not greater than.
And in the much more recent epic level handbook, as well as the words of Greenwood who invented those characters, Elminster is still the kingpin after Larloch.
Elminster in the epic level handbook is Male Human (Chosen of Mystra) Fighter 1/Rogue
2/Cleric 3/Wizard 24/Archmage 5: CR 39
Simbul is listed as Female Human (Chosen of Mystra) Sorcerer 20/
Archmage 2/Wizard 10: CR 36
and it implies he is generally the best of the best.
Her multitude of years battling red wizards does not even begin to cover the countless scores of battles Elminster was involved in vs the Zhentarim, Red wizards, and thousands of other mages before she was even born. He helped rear most of the seven sisters.
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Lord Necro
Seeker
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Posted - 20 Sep 2009 : 13:11:58
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| I voted for Telamont because out of all the people on the list he probably has the most actual power. (plus he's an ancient netherese shade...) |
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LordManshoon
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2009 : 22:05:51
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| I voted for myself, because while most other people might not want to accept the truth, let's face it. I'm simply the greatest. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2009 : 14:36:17
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 09:19:33
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| All things considered, I've gotta say it's either Ioulaum or Karsus, especially considering the fact that they're that powerful without the aid of Mystra/yl, though one must wonder how strong El would be if he had access to the Nether scrolls... |
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Who is the best spellcaster in the realms
