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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 14:41:45
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Well, that is the problem with humans and elves, and part of the reason each race finds the other attractive. Here humans live a quick, short life, like a blazing spark and elves live lives like a simmering flame. The sheer difference in philosophy and mien of life causes the curiousity/attraction in the other race.
And it obviously happens enough as we still have to deal with half-elves.
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Feanor
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 22:30:19
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Makes perfect sense to me. And I totally agree with you. Of course, that could just be that we live in the same house and made those rules together. 
Actually, I have based my elven aging on how Salvatore has it. Remember, Drizzt is like 80 and he is a 16th level character. It's hard to pace a character that ages like that. Plus, remember, elves don't age in appearance at all, except that they become more filled with inner strength of soul and eventually outshine their own bodies - that's why they choose to go to Arvandor and not just dying.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 05:28:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Thelonius
That makes me thing in half-elves. In dragonlance is well described how Tanis (a half-elf) is in the middle of both worlds, he is in love with Laurana (who is an elf, so she gets older much slower than him) and with Kitiara (who is a human so gets older much faster), so at this point are inter-racial relationships something "wise"? You are condemned to see how your partner gets older too fast, or too slow... i mean, is disturbing...
While your example and point are certain valid, is the alternative any better? Should you deny your feelings and forgo happiness now, to avoid loss later? I can't say I like that choice...
That has always been my view. And there is always the (unfortunately) chance of premature death--there is no *guarantee* the elf will outlive the human. Even if your time together is short, at least it will be happy.
On the other hand, if you were a human and your partner was an elf, it might be sad to imagine that if you were to pass away first, your spouse may go on to live and love others for centuries, and in the span of his/her entire life, only a fraction of that lifetime will have been spent with you. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 17:08:10
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Yeah, RF, but you have to look at it the same way - your time with the other should be what it's about. It would be selfish of a human to try and say, "Well, you're my lover for 30 years, but you had better never take another one."
I think the humans that get involved with the tel'quess know what they are doing - since they seem to be a certain vein.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 : 20:42:52
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Yeah, RF, but you have to look at it the same way - your time with the other should be what it's about. It would be selfish of a human to try and say, "Well, you're my lover for 30 years, but you had better never take another one."
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I understand that. Hey, my mother was a widow, but I understood when she got married again--I wouldn't expect most people to remain single forever after their first spouse dies.
But what I'm saying is that it is probably hard for some people to think about.  |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 02:20:33
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True, it is a strange concept and one that is hard to think about. I just was getting to the point that humans that get involved with elves usually know what they're doing (usually because they're wizards or sorcerers). It is a hard relationship, without a doubt, especially if there are any half-elven children involved - look at all the problems 1/2Es caused for the Isle of Evermeet. :)
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 14:10:11
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| Every half elf I have ever read about has been a whiner anyway. Elves and humans do not mix, in my opinion. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 17:13:23
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Originally posted by Kianna
Every half elf I have ever read about has been a whiner anyway. Elves and humans do not mix, in my opinion.
I've never thought of Arilyn Moonblade (in the Realms) or Tanis Half-Elven (for Dragonlance, or in the shower in Berlin in 1948 (points if you catch that reference  )) as whiners...
Kyriani certainly wasn't a whiner. Whining would interfere with her visiting her 8,001 lovers. 
Really, not many FR character have struck me as whiners. Only one comes to mind off the top of my head, and he is definitely not a half-elf. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 18:29:40
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 18:45:03
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Originally posted by Kajehase
The "hero" (forgotten his name) in Return of the Archwizards you mean?
Galaeron Nihmedu. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 19:20:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've never thought of Arilyn Moonblade (in the Realms) or Tanis Half-Elven (for Dragonlance, or in the shower in Berlin in 1948 (points if you catch that reference )) as whiners...
Actually, I thought Tanis whined, and whined and whined, a whole lot.
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Really, not many FR character have struck me as whiners. Only one comes to mind off the top of my head, and he is definitely not a half-elf.
I can think of a few. Heh. Like a certain lavender-eyed individual, or a spellfire-wielding teenage girl. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 19:25:39
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
True, it is a strange concept and one that is hard to think about. I just was getting to the point that humans that get involved with elves usually know what they're doing (usually because they're wizards or sorcerers). It is a hard relationship, without a doubt, especially if there are any half-elven children involved - look at all the problems 1/2Es caused for the Isle of Evermeet. :)
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True. Honestly, I rather enjoy having characters be in interracial relationships; not for the sake of angst or melodrama, but because I enjoy the "coming together" of different cultures, in spite of the troubles it may bring.
As for half-elves being "whiners", no half-elf I've ever created has been like that, at least not when it comes to her race. Why? Because I cannot stand floods of angst (racial or otherwise), either in my own characters or in published novels. My characters have lives to live, darn it, they don't have time to cry about their heritage. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 18 Oct 2005 19:29:41 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 19:28:24
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Really, not many FR character have struck me as whiners. Only one comes to mind off the top of my head, and he is definitely not a half-elf.
I can think of a few. Heh. Like a certain lavender-eyed individual...
 With two scimitars? Hmmm...
That's the one I was thinking of. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 20:13:30
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
With two scimitars? Hmmm...
That's the one I was thinking of.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 22:21:55
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Actually, I can think of a half-elf whiner - Arilyn. She does quite a bit of it in the first book of the Songs and Swords book set.
And if you say that Drizzt is overcontemplative, I would understand, but I don't necessarily consider him a whiner. And before you go off saying that I am this and that for defending him - I am just saying he is not a whiner, not that he has no bad qualities overall.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 22:40:25
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| Well, we obviously have differing opinions on who is or is not a whiner... But we stray from the original topic. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2005 : 00:30:31
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Ok, out of sake for the thread, I will let it go.
Back to the subject at hand - and my favorite race - Drow. Why is it that Drow priestesses (yes, I know about the other thread) can somehow manage to stay alive, well, pretty much forever. I know Amlaruil is still alive and kicking, but can the same apply for Drow rules?
Next question - I thought no deities were allowed to directly intervene in mortal affairs after the Time of Troubles? This would lead me to believe that the sustained ages of these extra-long-lived persons should be extinguished.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2005 : 20:20:17
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| Good question. I wouldn't mind knowing how Matron Baenre was able to live for 2000 years. My guess is magic. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2005 : 20:38:10
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Or an incredible Yoga instructor... they can do wonders, so I hear.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Oct 2005 : 20:47:04
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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True. Honestly, I rather enjoy having characters be in interracial relationships; not for the sake of angst or melodrama, but because I enjoy the "coming together" of different cultures, in spite of the troubles it may bring.
I also enjoy the coming together of different races as long as it's not too difficult to imagine (Dwarf and Elf - nah).
I have had many characters who have had this happen or who pined for characters of a different race and you are right, there is a measure of satisfaction involved in role-playing that.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Oct 2005 : 21:07:16
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I also enjoy the coming together of different races as long as it's not too difficult to imagine (Dwarf and Elf - nah).
Yeah...I suppose it's possible, but...it's not something I tend to imagine, myself. |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 02:23:36
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Elves and dwarves should not mix also, as I would assume they would also be whiners *wink*
(I can't think of any literary 1/2 elf 1/2 dwarf counterparts though so this post might not spark the angst my last one did) |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 02:24:38
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Uh hum.... let's get back to topic...
Thought I'd help you moderators out.
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 02:27:10
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| Ok, let's say for the sake of argument that an elf and a dwarf were to reproduce (yeech!). How long would their offspring live (to whine)??? :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 02:33:30
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There is a offspring that has an elven parent and a dwarven parent in the Cormanthyr sourcebook. :) It does happen and half-dwarves existed in 2e. They are rare but there's about 5 or so in the lore.
They are also discussed in Dwarves Deep.
As for how long they live... I'd say longer then a dwarf but shorter then an elf. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 03:30:18
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Originally posted by Kuje
There is a offspring that has an elven parent and a dwarven parent in the Cormanthyr sourcebook. :) It does happen and half-dwarves existed in 2e. They are rare but there's about 5 or so in the lore.
They are also discussed in Dwarves Deep.
As for how long they live... I'd say longer then a dwarf but shorter then an elf.
Eric mentioned a dwelf of the Ironstar clan in one of his Mintiper's Chapbook articles.
From Part 5: Myth Glaurach of Mintiper's Chapbook -
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As implied previously, the central caster of the variant of Mythanthar’s create mythal spell in this instance was Tisharu Craulnober. She imbued one major and one minor power into the mythal. Four secondary casters participated in the raising of Myth Glaurach’s mythal, including Aelynthi of the Eagles, a female moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Alenuath, Isinghar "Feyrune" Ironstar, a dwelf runecarver and archmage of Ammarindar, the Nameless Chosen, and Tsaer "the Horned" Nyamtharsar, a male moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Nyamtharsar.
Additionally, Steven had this to say about "dwelves" -
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Dwelves....okay, I'll stop myself early before I start doing haiku about stone shelves and dungeon delves....
As stated above (and like half-elves), they favor and adopt the lifestyle/culture under which they are raised. Same goes for which gods they revere.
Both elves and dwarves have serious cognitive dissonance when it comes to dwelves, as (unlike half-elves or half-orcs, IMO) there's no set form or expectation for how they'll look. It's anyone's guess if you'll end up with a dwarf's body size and shape with elven features and ears or an elf's body but stocky vs. svelte and rather hairier than the norm. Dwarven parents may mourn their child's inability to grow a decent beard, thanks to their elven half, while elves may grumble that the child is more interested in the dirt rather than the tree from which it springs. Most likely, they're only comfortable among some societies that embrace acceptance and unity (like Myth Drannor or Miyeritar or elsewhere).
That said, I was surprised by that Myth Glaurach note. Methinks I'll have to talk to Eric and find out what else he's had the Blackstaff up to while I've not been watching....if only for my own curiousity, of course.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 10:39:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I also enjoy the coming together of different races as long as it's not too difficult to imagine (Dwarf and Elf - nah).
Yeah...I suppose it's possible, but...it's not something I tend to imagine, myself.
Myth Drannor was partially named after an elf who married a dwarf. |
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The Destroyer
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 10:52:42
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Originally posted by khorne
Myth Drannor was partially named after an elf who married a dwarf.
Then the offspring of this elf and dwarf is called a eldwarling? I am totally and honestly amazed that Myth Drannor was partially named after this odd couple, all along I assumed the city was got its name as Myth Drannor or known as City of Song due to its richness in bardic songs. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 14:21:41
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Well, to be honest - that kind of makes me go, "Huh?". I know we have weird couplings in this world - but seriously, and elf and a dwarf couple would undoubtily end up on the Maury Povich (sp) show.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 : 17:22:44
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
I also enjoy the coming together of different races as long as it's not too difficult to imagine (Dwarf and Elf - nah).
Yeah...I suppose it's possible, but...it's not something I tend to imagine, myself.
Myth Drannor was partially named after an elf who married a dwarf.
That's the one I mentioned. :) |
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