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Arivia
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  06:49:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.



Given those choices, and my own thoughts on Ed's fiction (which aren't in line with the thoughts of a lot of other Realms fans), I'd say Waterdeep: A Novel.

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HardKano
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  12:40:06  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.



Swords of Eveningstar is great, a fabulous first novel of a trilogy around Knights of Myth Drannor

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Seravin
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Canada
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  14:58:00  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And...I liked Crown of Fire. 3 responses all different!

Swords of Eveningstar is the best of that trilogy but it was kind of a mess of a trilogy for me. Crown of Fire was a fun read and had lots of great battles (including Elminster and Storm versus Manshoon, among others).

Elminster Must Die! has it's moments but it's set in the depressing future and totally different setting (to me). Not recommended.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  15:08:51  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.



The only one which i have read is Crown of Fire and it was enjoyable.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.

I'd go with Swords of Eveningstar. It's typical Ed, and it's a nice slice of Realms history.

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Dennis
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  23:59:25  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Someone pick for me:

-Crown of Fire
-Swords of Eveningstar
-Waterdeep: A Novel
-and Elminster Must Die!

NONE of which I've read before.


Crown of Fire. The usual annoying Manshoon. The panacea that is Mystra's fire. A bit good, but can be easily forgotten.

Waterdeep: A Novel. Needlessly long. Unremarkable characters. Elaine and Ed had written far better novels than this.

Elminster Must Die!. Two words: huge disappointment!

Hope that helps.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 :  00:47:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Arivia,
-Crown of Fire: sequel to Spellfire, and another of Ed's "severely edited down" early books, but has some engaging characters and places, and some dashing action scenes.
-Swords of Eveningstar: the start of a trilogy of young folks in Cormyr who hunger for adventure. Be careful what you wish for. This is the band that became the Knights of Myth Drannor, and the book is small in scale until the very end, has romance, and shows us a young Alusair. Can function as a standalone if you don't want to read the rest of the trilogy.
-Waterdeep: A Novel: Written as a standalone, and shortened by almost half, so the result is bumpy in places. Large cast, sprawling tale, nice touches by both Ed and Elaine.
-and Elminster Must Die!: A grim situation in 1479 DR for El and Storm. Not a "nice" book, and starts to race/telescope at the end, but a good book.

As a longtime book editor, they're all flawed, but I enjoyed them all. For the Realmslore, they're "must haves." As entertaining reads, they all score better than average for fantasy novels, these days. I'd say Swords and El Must Die! are the best written. I've re-read them all, several times, even amid the flood of manuscripts I have to read for "work"...
Hope I've been of some help.
love,
THO
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skychrome
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Posted - 07 Feb 2012 :  01:08:06  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Arivia,
maybe Swords of Eveningstar is a good option. Waterdeep a Novel was probably the biggest deception in FR novels for me so far. Subjective issue of course, but just my 5 cents.

"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625
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HardKano
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Canada
156 Posts

Posted - 07 Feb 2012 :  02:21:52  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Arivia,
-Crown of Fire: sequel to Spellfire, and another of Ed's "severely edited down" early books, but has some engaging characters and places, and some dashing action scenes.
-Swords of Eveningstar: the start of a trilogy of young folks in Cormyr who hunger for adventure. Be careful what you wish for. This is the band that became the Knights of Myth Drannor, and the book is small in scale until the very end, has romance, and shows us a young Alusair. Can function as a standalone if you don't want to read the rest of the trilogy.
-Waterdeep: A Novel: Written as a standalone, and shortened by almost half, so the result is bumpy in places. Large cast, sprawling tale, nice touches by both Ed and Elaine.
-and Elminster Must Die!: A grim situation in 1479 DR for El and Storm. Not a "nice" book, and starts to race/telescope at the end, but a good book.

As a longtime book editor, they're all flawed, but I enjoyed them all. For the Realmslore, they're "must haves." As entertaining reads, they all score better than average for fantasy novels, these days. I'd say Swords and El Must Die! are the best written. I've re-read them all, several times, even amid the flood of manuscripts I have to read for "work"...
Hope I've been of some help.
love,
THO




Thank you for the experienced "quick review" of these books. It's a pleasure to read the Realmslore every night before sleep. Presently on "Swords of Dragonfire". After Ed's novels (2-3 left) i'll go with Elaine or Troy novels.

I'm at 44 FR novels read of 223 books bought so far.

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Arivia
Great Reader

Canada
2867 Posts

Posted - 07 Feb 2012 :  02:34:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I'm going to start off with Elminster Must Die! I have all the parts of the Spellfire and Knights trilogies, but hearing El himself is calling me right now. Thank you for the help everyone!
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
1591 Posts

Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  12:43:25  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.
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Dennis
Great Reader

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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  04:27:32  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Counselors and Kings trilogy by Elaine.

The first three novels of the Elminster saga by Ed.

The Simbul's Gift by Lynn Abbey.

Every beginning has an end.
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Seravin
Senior Scribe

Canada
775 Posts

Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  15:17:34  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.



If you haven't yet read The Finder's Stone trilogy, I very very very much recommend it. I think it is the best written of the Realms trilogies. Great characters, nice mysteries, and cameos by lots of famous Realms inhabitants and locales (Suzail, Shadowdale, Immersea, the Lost Dale, Tilverton, etc.)
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader

USA
3007 Posts

Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  15:31:02  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.



If you haven't yet read The Finder's Stone trilogy, I very very very much recommend it. I think it is the best written of the Realms trilogies. Great characters, nice mysteries, and cameos by lots of famous Realms inhabitants and locales (Suzail, Shadowdale, Immersea, the Lost Dale, Tilverton, etc.)



Definitely a great trilogy! It's been almost 20 years since i've read it. Maybe i should do a re-read

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HardKano
Learned Scribe

Canada
156 Posts

Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  16:56:13  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.



If you haven't yet read The Finder's Stone trilogy, I very very very much recommend it. I think it is the best written of the Realms trilogies. Great characters, nice mysteries, and cameos by lots of famous Realms inhabitants and locales (Suzail, Shadowdale, Immersea, the Lost Dale, Tilverton, etc.)



Definitely a great trilogy! It's been almost 20 years since i've read it. Maybe i should do a re-read



Ha cool, i have it but not read yet. Will go on it after The Sword Never sleeps.

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HardKano
Learned Scribe

Canada
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  16:58:11  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HardKano

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


It really depends, I suppose. Some used books in eBay, for instance, described as in good quality with a picture of them, turned out to be quite poor.



Yes, i Know. As i said, half was poor (described good), 7-8 as described and 1 or 2 better than described.

I was talking about my experience with Betterworldbooks. I recommend to look for "very good" ones to be sure to get ones with quality. Beceause "good" ones is like flipping a Penny. And they didn't answer my complaint yet... i am a little bit disappointed



I finally get my answer from betterworldbooks and they add me a credit of 20% for the books that the descriptions and conditions doesnt match.

Happy ending :)

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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  17:16:50  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I, personally, cannot recommend the Finder's Stone trilogy highly enough. To me, those books are some of the best Realms novels we've had, and they do a much better job of showing us the Realms than just about anything since then. Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak got the Realms in a way few authors can match.

Elaine is the only FR author I elevate to a comparable level.

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HardKano
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Canada
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  23:06:55  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I, personally, cannot recommend the Finder's Stone trilogy highly enough. To me, those books are some of the best Realms novels we've had, and they do a much better job of showing us the Realms than just about anything since then. Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak got the Realms in a way few authors can match.

Elaine is the only FR author I elevate to a comparable level.



WoW with that sentence i want to read them right now LOL

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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I, personally, cannot recommend the Finder's Stone trilogy highly enough. To me, those books are some of the best Realms novels we've had, and they do a much better job of showing us the Realms than just about anything since then. Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak got the Realms in a way few authors can match.
I'm inclined to agree. And I'll add Ed's works to this as well. I often get a sense of just how vast and comprehensive his grand creation of the Realms has been, each and every time I read his books.
quote:
Elaine is the only FR author I elevate to a comparable level.

Easily agreed.

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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  11:56:23  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Counselors and Kings trilogy by Elaine.

The first three novels of the Elminster saga by Ed.

The Simbul's Gift by Lynn Abbey.



Thanks a lot!I'll try out Counselors and Kings!I've already read the Elminster novels.
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  11:57:19  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.



If you haven't yet read The Finder's Stone trilogy, I very very very much recommend it. I think it is the best written of the Realms trilogies. Great characters, nice mysteries, and cameos by lots of famous Realms inhabitants and locales (Suzail, Shadowdale, Immersea, the Lost Dale, Tilverton, etc.)



Thank you!Wouldnt have thought of this without help!
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Shardnax
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quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.


The Pools trilogy.

Scratch that. I didn't notice you wanted books specific to author. I feel a little silly now.

Edited by - Shardnax on 17 Feb 2012 14:51:07
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
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quote:
Originally posted by Shardnax

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.


The Pools trilogy.

Scratch that. I didn't notice you wanted books specific to author. I feel a little silly now.



No, Thats a fine suggestion actually. I was just looking for older books in general. Thanks.
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

quote:
Originally posted by Shardnax

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I cant decide which realms novel to purchase next. Can anyone recommend some older books by authors like Elaine Cunningham or something? Thanks.


The Pools trilogy.

Scratch that. I didn't notice you wanted books specific to author. I feel a little silly now.



No, Thats a fine suggestion actually. I was just looking for older books in general. Thanks.



I, personally, am not a fan of the Pools books -- to the point that having read the first two, I don't want to read the third.

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