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Alaundo
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  10:18:12  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Faramicos

If the Icewind Dale Trilogy is to be read it should come after reading the Dark Elf Trilogy. It is after all 6 books about a single characters life...



Well, there's been debate over that point in the past...

But for a beginner, I'd not recommend that route. They'll get a lot better feel for the Realms from the Icewind Dale trilogy than they will from the Dark Elf trilogy.



Well met

I agree with Wooly. In the normal run of things, for the more established Realms fan, i'd definately say to read The Dark Elf Trilogy before The Icewind Dale Trilogy for chronological correctness. However, for completely new fans to the Realms, then Icewind Dale holds the most broad flavor.

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In fact, when you read the Dark Elf books first, you are tempted to think that the six books are about one person, but when you read the Icewind Dale books first, you read about a group of friends. And I think I would recommend the non-journaled original Icewind Dale books myself.

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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

And I think I would recommend the non-journaled original Icewind Dale books myself.



*blinks* They went back and added journals to them?

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Sorry Wooly, yes, when they rereleased them in Hardcover, they "journaled" them. A mistake in my mind becuase it does now make the whole series look like its all about Drizzt.

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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 :  11:15:48  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

And I think I would recommend the non-journaled original Icewind Dale books myself.



*blinks* They went back and added journals to them?



Well met

Wooly, KnightErrantJR refers to The Legend of Drizzt series (which covers all RAS novels except Servant of the Shard). I don't have the tomes myself but I have seen them. The cover art is very impressive (Todd Lockwood, I believe), and the books contain interviews with RAS, and forewords by Ed etc.) Certainly worth getting if you're a fan of the books

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quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

And I think I would recommend the non-journaled original Icewind Dale books myself.



*blinks* They went back and added journals to them?



Well met

Wooly, KnightErrantJR refers to The Legend of Drizzt series (which covers all RAS novels except Servant of the Shard). I don't have the tomes myself but I have seen them. The cover art is very impressive (Todd Lockwood, I believe), and the books contain interviews with RAS, and forewords by Ed etc.) Certainly worth getting if you're a fan of the books

I think I`ll get them when they come out in soft-cover. My budget doesn`t allow me to buy hardcovers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo


Well met

Wooly, KnightErrantJR refers to The Legend of Drizzt series (which covers all RAS novels except Servant of the Shard). I don't have the tomes myself but I have seen them. The cover art is very impressive (Todd Lockwood, I believe), and the books contain interviews with RAS, and forewords by Ed etc.) Certainly worth getting if you're a fan of the books

I think I`ll get them when they come out in soft-cover. My budget doesn`t allow me to buy hardcovers.



I'll pass on them altogether. I've got all the original paperbacks. I don't care enough about the books to buy them again to get a bit more material, and Todd Lockwood could never match Larry Elmore's work on the original cover for The Crystal Shard.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'll pass on them altogether. I've got all the original paperbacks. I don't care enough about the books to buy them again to get a bit more material, and Todd Lockwood could never match Larry Elmore's work on the original cover for The Crystal Shard.
I'd have to say that goes for me as well. New cover artwork isn't enough for me to warrant purchasing these collections, since I've never been a great fan of Drizzt to begin with. In fact, when I started buying my own FR novels instead of borrowing them constantly from the Sage, I deliberately skipped over the collected editions and tried to find first edition printings of all the original RAS works.

I've had some success, although I'm still missing a copy of Homeland.

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I'm a newbee here~I've read just started with FR novels like 3 months ago;
I started cuz I played the PC game Baldur's Gate, so yea, got all the three
books done. And started with another-Alabaster Staff. I don't know much about
the realms and history, I will try to catch up. Actually, I just wanted to know
the time lines, like which book is right after Baldur's Gate? or I shouldn't
bother cuz it will be complete a different thing;

Hope you understand my English, I am not too good at it.
By the way, I am Marc, from Hong Kong.

Hi!
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by marcsmart


I'm a newbee here~I've read just started with FR novels like 3 months ago;
I started cuz I played the PC game Baldur's Gate, so yea, got all the three
books done. And started with another-Alabaster Staff. I don't know much about
the realms and history, I will try to catch up. Actually, I just wanted to know
the time lines, like which book is right after Baldur's Gate? or I shouldn't
bother cuz it will be complete a different thing;

Hope you understand my English, I am not too good at it.
By the way, I am Marc, from Hong Kong.

Hi!



Welcome to Candlekeep!

As for which novel follows Baldur's Gate... Going by the old and sadly out of date fiction timeline on the Wizards page (Presenting . . . Seven Millennia of Realms Fiction), The Mage in the Iron Mask is the next novel, chronologically.

But one of the great things about the Realms is that you can jump in at just about any point. So it's not necessary to read all the books in chronological order (I certainly haven't!)

In fact, if you scroll back thru this thread, you'll see plenty of suggestions for which Realms books are the best to read for a new person such as yourself.

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There's also 2 other Baldur's Gate novels that go with the first one. :)

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Rivan
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While I have played many of the FR CRPGs for quite some time and bought myself the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (still single best source for begginners IMO because one can branch out from there into the novels about things they find interesting), I just started reading the FR novels about a year ago. I've only finished the Moonshaes, Icewind Dale, and Avatar Trilogies/Series, so my experience with the novels is somewhat limited, but I would recommend the Icewind Dale Trilogy as a great intro to readers new to the FR novels.

With all due respect to the wise sages present, I couldn't help but think while reading the Avatar Series that, though it sets the background for much of present Faerun, it could be extremely overwhelming for someone not versed in the history, people, and places in the realms. Not that one can't still enjoy the books, but I think knowledge of the Dales, Zhents, Harpers, Elminster, Waterdeep, and the myriad of gods and goddesses that experienced readers take for granted can get really confusing for a new reader and in general detracts from one's understanding and appreciation of the events depicted therein. I know that probably sounds unusual given that the first three novels were written fairly early in the life of the FR, but I sense the authors drew from information that was far more detailed than could be gleaned just from reading novels alone.

The ID Trilogy is written in such a way that usually doesn't suppose any knowledge of the FR, even when people and places with more extensive histories pop into the picture. For the most part they are engaging fantasy novels that introduce the reader to the races, places, and culture of a particularly popular swath of land without getting heavily into the politics and wider conflicts that surround them. Plus, regardless of how one feels about the over-exposure of Drizzt and the quality of the author's later work, the ID Trilogy is legitimately good fantasy reading rather than a history book about the FR.
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The Twin Scimitars
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Personally, some of my favorite novels Iam reading at the moment are The War of Spider Queen series. The drow have always facsinated me but I would like to read some novels about the drow that start outside of Menzoberanzan like Ched Nassad(before it got destroyed by druegar) or Eryndlyn. And this is my first post.Yay.

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Smyther
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Wow, three new members just on this scroll alone! This was a good idea to introduce, Alaundo - welcome to you three.
I can't speak for other peoples' opinions, but I would think that the anthologies are some excellent places to start. You get a broad view of the Realms, as seen by many different authors so you can get your own favorites, and many related books can be suggested when considering which tales you liked.
That said, I would not reccomend the anthologies based around Realms Shaking Events (RSE's for you new members), such as Realms of the Elves/Shadow/Deep. As well, Realms of the Underdark is probably not the place to start for a wide view of Faerun.
Go with the old anthologies, which were still packed with 'flavor,' such as Realms of Mystery/Magic/Valor/Infamy. These are enough to let you see the Realms from a broad perspective and then to dive in.

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The Twin Scimitars
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Posted - 21 Aug 2005 :  20:48:04  Show Profile  Visit The Twin Scimitars's Homepage  Send The Twin Scimitars an AOL message Send The Twin Scimitars a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are there any books on the Creator Race?

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The Sage
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Not specifically, no.

Most of the creator races have received their treatment in various source material -- The Savage Frontier and Serpent Kingdoms to name a few...

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The Twin Scimitars
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Hmmmmmmmm. How many books take place in the Underdark? I can't stop reading about the drow....

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Apart from those by Salvatore and the War of the Spider Queen, I can, at the moment, only come up with Elaine Cunningham's Shadows & Starlight-trilogy (although most of the action in particularly book 2 and 3 takes place on the surface) about Liriel Baenre, and Realms of the Underdark. OF course, if Undermountain is considered part of the Underdark, then there are a varying degree of activity there in Escape From Undermountain by Mark Anthony, Silverfall by Ed Greenwood, Thornhold and Dream Spheres by Elaine Cunningham (again), and more recently the second book of the Erevis Cale-trilogy, Dawn of Night by Paul S Kemp.

So, which ones did I miss?

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The books to start with really depend on the reader. Its a totally different case between people wanting a good read and those intrested in the realms. To me FR novels give both lore and entertainment, but I have been involved with the realms for quite some time now.

Anyway, in my opinion the first books to introduce someone to the realms should most importantly be very well written and not necessarily full of the realms. The reader should little by little be lured into the realms.
My first novel was Salvatore's Crystal Shard and that was just the perfect book to start my adventuring into the realms. As I was a lot younger then I now look back to that book as a good read, but at the same time I can't help thinking that it wouldn't have the same effect had I not read it until now.
It was full of action and magic, there was a dragon, barbarians and a well written dark elf killing machine. What more could you ask for? Now its not about action anymore. Its good to have Some action but I tend to like more story and character -driven novels.

Before my post gets totally out of hand: the books to start with should be categorized not just by how far into the realms the reader is, but also by the age/mindset of the reader.

I have to confess that I don't have access to many FR novels, only to the most popular ones. To that end I can't really give good recommendations aside from Cunnigham and Salvatore.

Oh, and, of course, everything with drow. Dunno why really. It just seems to work :)
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Maybe I'll write my own FR novels and start a whole series of books about the drow.

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Edited by - The Sage on 26 Aug 2005 02:10:41
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I didn't see this thread before... But I would suggest the Avatar's trilogy, (indeed it was like I started...), and after it Fider's Stone trilogy and the Songs and Swords series would be a very good choice, I would leave R.A.S. novels for a time later, they are a bit complex for a start, I think...

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Another good bet would be to start with the hardbacks. They usually have good stories to start off with.

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And to that I would also add the short story anthologies... giving the reader a considerably wide tasting of what the Realms fiction has to offer.

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My friend and member of my gaming group was interested in starting to read Realms fiction. He had looked through the FRCS before, and his character was Cormyrean. He ended up reading the Best of the Realms first, and then on my suggestion, started the Cormyr saga. He was so impressed with those three books that he exclaimed that they kicked the Star Wars novels . . . well, you can imagine.

So while general strategies are wonderful to come up with, sometimes people have to come into the Realms from their own personal perspectives.

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Well met,

Personnaly, if i would like to introduce anew player to the realms, i'd probably start him on the Harpers serie.

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