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sirreus
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2007 :  16:06:11  Show Profile  Visit sirreus's Homepage Send sirreus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
starlight and shadows, most of the harper series, fighter series, rogue series, priest series, and the nobles (escape from undermountain, council of blades, and war in tethyr only) these books have greatly influenced my world view(toril world view)


"The measure of an undisciplined mind, is that the intellect allows emotion to challenge the observed truth" Richard Baker
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lelorien
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Canada
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Posted - 28 Sep 2007 :  20:42:56  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great! that's what I want to finish up with the things that change Toril and the start with the more drizzty types of books. Thanks!
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ajfurst
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Australia
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Posted - 11 Nov 2007 :  12:40:48  Show Profile  Visit ajfurst's Homepage Send ajfurst a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've only recently joined Candlekeep, but I've found the question in this thread interesting. I started reading FR novels from the start with the Moonshae ones, after reading the Weis and Hickman Dragonlance Chronicles, and have read most of the FR novels since then.

I feel like pinching myself as that's 20 years worth of reading FR novels. Loking back over them all trying to pick the first few to read is a challenge. The Forgotten realms is huge - just in terms of the number of novels, without the even larger amount of official and non-official D&D lore.

Having started with the Moonshae trilogy and the original FR box set I've had the advantage of getting it bit by bit over the (many) years. Which is a round-about way of saying I lean to the point of view that the best realms introductions, is novels that don't convey (or rely on) a large amount of realms knowledge - so the new reader can just enjoy the bit of the world the books are focused on without too much larger picture stuff. After a few books like this then ones that start to paint with a broader brush come into it.

So I'd recommend as my books two groups.
First group to read:
The Crystal shard
Azure Bonds (although it covers a fair area it doesn't dwell on them, they are very incidental to the story of Alias)
Spellfire
Sembia Series

Second group to read - they've dipped their toe, now it's time to show the realms to their fullest -
Avatar Trilogy
The Harpers (as between the lot they take the reader to a lot of the realms)

After that they've got a rough idea of where everything is and how it fits together, I'd then tell them to read in chronological order (FR time wise, not publishing time wise :) )
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lelorien
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Canada
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 :  02:52:10  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Salutations, I just happen to have finished the order of books to read I had established for myself and I just received a big order from E Bay. I would like your expert help deciding a new order of books.

Books I have read (in order):
The whole Legend of Drizzt
The Clerics Quintet (My favourite series so far)
The War of the Spider Queen
Elminster (1-5)
Evermeet : Island of Elves
Cormyr (1-3)
The Avatar (1-3)
The Prince of Lies
The Shadow of the Avatar (1-3)
The Return of the Archwizards (1-3)
Realms of Shadows
Crucible: The Trial of Cyric the Mad
The Year of Rogue Dragons (1-3)
Finders Stone (1-3) (second favourite)
Promise of the Witch King

Books I possess but have yet to read:
The Harpers
The Druidhome Trilogy
The Moonshae Trilogy
Twilight Giants (1-3)

I would like to establish with your help an order in which to read these books. (If another series is required to read one of the ones above then please tell me)

Thank You.






Edited by - lelorien on 29 Dec 2007 02:54:37
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scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 :  02:58:32  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
harpers, moonshae, druidhome, then giants

"Yap,yap, little dog!" - Riven - page 326 Shadowbred, by Paul Kemp

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lelorien
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 :  15:28:09  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There's nothing I should read between these series?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 :  21:58:42  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lelorien

There's nothing I should read between these series?



Don't overthink it. Read the series in the order you want. It's not set in stone that you MUST read The Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy after the Return of the Archwizards trilogy, for example.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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lelorien
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Canada
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 :  22:25:10  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Understood, but for example in The Return of The Archwizards the one most high (or something like that) has dealings with a dracolich and the cult of the dragon and in my point of view it's always gratifying to read about a character or a subject you followed in another book. If, of course, it is feasable.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 :  22:26:43  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lelorien

Understood, but for example in The Return of The Archwizards the one most high (or something like that) has dealings with a dracolich and the cult of the dragon and in my point of view it's always gratifying to read about a character or a subject you followed in another book. If, of course, it is feasable.



But that is going to happen no matter what order you read the series in.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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lelorien
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Canada
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 :  22:29:58  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
True. Just wanted to make a point ;) oh and thanks for the astonashingly quick reply.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 :  01:35:17  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're welcome!

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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Shadow_stormsword
Acolyte

USA
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 :  18:06:57  Show Profile  Visit Shadow_stormsword's Homepage Send Shadow_stormsword a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I started with the Icewind Dale Trilogy and I absolutely loved it! it got me pulled into the Realms, then I read the clerical quintet and finished off all the RAS books, I'm about halfway through the Elminster Series and I randomly read books from the wizards books and basically anything else that catches my interest.
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

Germany
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 :  20:54:17  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadow_stormsword

I started with the Icewind Dale Trilogy and I absolutely loved it! it got me pulled into the Realms, then I read the clerical quintet and finished off all the RAS books, I'm about halfway through the Elminster Series and I randomly read books from the wizards books and basically anything else that catches my interest.



For further reading you might want to first pic a particular time/time period/chain of events that you have heard of elsewhere and that you might be interested in reading on. That way you can narrow down any possible suggestions!

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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Skunkeen
Acolyte

4 Posts

Posted - 14 Mar 2008 :  12:08:08  Show Profile  Visit Skunkeen's Homepage  Click to see Skunkeen's MSN Messenger address Send Skunkeen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My lady is addicted to romance novels. she has been gaming FR for years so she knows FR from my games. now ive not read it yet but I gave her "Evermeet" the novel, not the 2ed RPG book. and she has been strugling with intrests. and Ive been able to help her fine with any questions she had without me getting a spoiler from the book. yet the novel isnt hooking her. she says there is too much different transitions in time and characters within the same chapters that its hard to stay within the time line of the book its self.

I know my FR RPG books wont be her flavor. but I really need to take advantage of this to drive a war hammer into Fabio's kneecaps. and hook her onto FR novels. something with a lil romance would hook her.
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Jodes_Quenthal
Acolyte

14 Posts

Posted - 05 Apr 2008 :  05:07:22  Show Profile  Visit Jodes_Quenthal's Homepage Send Jodes_Quenthal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Skun,

Romance novels? I would have to say the Songs and Swords or Starlight and Shadows by Elaine Cunningham has offered the most romance that I've read. Danillo and Aryln in particular have the opposites that attracts chemistry that gets more intense every novel. The conclusion to the series and the relationship is coming out at the end of the year.

May the Realms live on
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
7106 Posts

Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  01:44:09  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Spine of the World by RAS (one of the Drizzt books) is more or less a romance novel in disguise. It's probably best to read that after having read the Drizzt books before it, though.

Master of Chains (one book in the Fighters series) wasn't only a great book, but it had a lot of soap-opera style romance in it, too (and I mean "soap opera" in a good way). Don't let "brutal-looking" cover fool you.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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lelorien
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Canada
41 Posts

Posted - 07 Apr 2008 :  02:19:57  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I remember the spine of the world! Long time... It had a good twist, I recommend it along with all the other drizzt novels.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore

USA
1615 Posts

Posted - 12 Apr 2008 :  19:38:12  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skunkeen

My lady is addicted to romance novels. she has been gaming FR for years so she knows FR from my games. now ive not read it yet but I gave her "Evermeet" the novel, not the 2ed RPG book. and she has been strugling with intrests. and Ive been able to help her fine with any questions she had without me getting a spoiler from the book. yet the novel isnt hooking her. she says there is too much different transitions in time and characters within the same chapters that its hard to stay within the time line of the book its self.

I know my FR RPG books wont be her flavor. but I really need to take advantage of this to drive a war hammer into Fabio's kneecaps. and hook her onto FR novels. something with a lil romance would hook her.



Year of the rogue dragons trilogy has a romance aspect to the overall story

"Yap,yap, little dog!" - Riven - page 326 Shadowbred, by Paul Kemp

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I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
- J. R. R. Tolkien
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Karzak
Learned Scribe

196 Posts

Posted - 12 Apr 2008 :  20:55:28  Show Profile  Visit Karzak's Homepage Send Karzak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skunkeen

My lady is addicted to romance novels. she has been gaming FR for years so she knows FR from my games. now ive not read it yet but I gave her "Evermeet" the novel, not the 2ed RPG book. and she has been strugling with intrests. and Ive been able to help her fine with any questions she had without me getting a spoiler from the book. yet the novel isnt hooking her. she says there is too much different transitions in time and characters within the same chapters that its hard to stay within the time line of the book its self.

I know my FR RPG books wont be her flavor. but I really need to take advantage of this to drive a war hammer into Fabio's kneecaps. and hook her onto FR novels. something with a lil romance would hook her.



You'd probably have better luck trying to introduce her to paranormal chick lit. You know, that tripe with vampires and "kick-ass" crime-fighting/detective/super-special-awesome heroines with supernatural hot studs fighting over them: some of the authors churning out those trash include Charlaine Harris, Kelly Armstrong, Laurell K. Hamilton, Tanya Huff, Mary Janice Davidson, and so on. Nearly all of it is undiluted drivel and practically every single one is a clone of each other (kinda like the rest of the romance genre), but it's a way to wean her from even stinkier crap. Then, after she can swallow supernatural elements in her fiction, move her toward FR novels.

I second the EC recommendation - her handling of romantic character relationships is neither too twee nor too unconvincing. Otherwise, though, I can't think of anything else. There are plenty of FR novels with romance, but very little of the romance portions is any good. Still, what she's reading right now is probably even worse. The only way is up.

Edited by - Karzak on 12 Apr 2008 20:57:42
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 :  23:13:26  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Indeed, it's a rare FR novel that doesn't have some type of romantic subplot.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 :  01:48:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm; Skunkeen, your lady likes what SORT of romance novels?
As in: is the sex or hot passion in the forefront, or the soul searching/romantic chase? Humorous/played for laughs, or very, very serious? Modern setting or period? (As in: is there more to the tale than just the relationship?)
For instance, out of Karzak's list of some writers of what's politely called "paranormal romance," let's pick just one: Tanya Huff.
Tanya has also written three humorous fantasies about the Keeper, which are romances in which the male and female are primarily concerned with fantasy problems, and DON'T quickly bed or coo over each other. In fact, they're usually fighting each other or angry with each other.
Earlier, Tanya wrote THE FIRE'S STONE, which is a straight-ahead fantasy adventure quest novel that just happens to include a very good love triangle between three major characters. Again, worlds away from "wild Harlequin sex scenes," but the romance IS there. This one I highly recommend as a good read . . . but I'm not sure if it will work for your purposes, not knowing your lady's reading preferences well enough.
I might be able to suggest some other titles (such as Caroline Stevermer's deservedly well-acclaimed A COLLEGE OF MAGICS, or some of McKillip's [almost all of them are romances on one level or another] or McKinley's fantasies [THE BLUE SWORD, THE HERO AND THE CROWN]; both of these authors have won awards for their books), if I did know a little more about her tastes.
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 14 Apr 2008 01:51:46
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Dezmodu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 :  21:02:31  Show Profile  Visit Dezmodu's Homepage Send Dezmodu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanx for all the huge amount of great titles, I ordered bunch and cant wait til they get delivered.
but witch one to read first, elminster 1-3 or clerical quintet 1-5?
so many options

DeZ

paladin: Ignorance is no excuse!
Rogue: Why?
Paladin: I don't know.
Rogue: IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!!!
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demonsbane
Acolyte

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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 :  11:09:55  Show Profile  Visit demonsbane's Homepage Send demonsbane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I haven't really read much of the newer books but what got me hooked at first are:
1. Curse of the Azure Bonds (+ sequels)
2. Crystal Shard (+ first 2 sequels and 3 prequels, ambivalent about the rest of them)
3. Avatar Trilogy

One that I would avoid is "Pools of Radiance". I was quite fond of that game in the Gold Box but the book sucked. I think I've almost succeeded in wiping it from my memory now. Thank Shar!
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Skunkeen
Acolyte

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Posted - 12 May 2008 :  19:05:21  Show Profile  Visit Skunkeen's Homepage  Click to see Skunkeen's MSN Messenger address Send Skunkeen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hmmm; Skunkeen, your lady likes what SORT of romance novels?
As in: is the sex or hot passion in the forefront, or the soul searching/romantic chase? Humorous/played for laughs, or very, very serious? Modern setting or period? (As in: is there more to the tale than just the relationship?)



she likes all sorts of romance that you listed above, mostly ones with a hint of adventure in them. its awesome that she doesnt enjoy modern settings the same as myself. but shes never tried pure fantasy novels. I selfishly rather boost my FR collection then get into other fantasy novels. but reading your advice perhaps a outside fantasy novel might help. right now she is reading Doughter of the Drow. and I helped her get a voice acting role as a Drow for a NWN2 module. she seems to like the feminist power Drow have so I may try her on the dark elf trilogy (knowing she may be eager to turn each page for something noughty and let down) cant blame me for trying if it does work out. thank you folks for your advice and input!
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Karzak
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 12 May 2008 :  19:16:17  Show Profile  Visit Karzak's Homepage Send Karzak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skunkeen
she seems to like the feminist power Drow


I feel very sorry for anyone who thinks the drow are "feminist."

quote:
have so I may try her on the dark elf trilogy (knowing she may be eager to turn each page for something noughty and let down)


Are you serious? The Dark Elf trilogy is about as naughty as My Little Pony. War of the Spider Queen would be a much better choice.
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