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Thauramarth
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09 Nov 2006 : 23:15:41
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I went for Manshoon, on the basis of achievement. OK, so right now, he may have a tiny problem or two, but the man built up one of the mightiest villainous organisations of Faerūn from almost scratch in under a hundred years. You have to appreciate that (Fzoul most probably does  ). It's probably not entirely correct, but I always tend to think of Manshoon as the Moriarty of the Realms - a cold, manipulative, scheming and highly skilled organiser and planner. All the other villains listed in the poll tend to have some emotions, even old Szass. Manshoon is, to my mind, the Realmsian epithome of cold, calculating, emotionless evil. When he passes on to the next life, he'll make a fine lemure , and I would not be surprised if he knocks Asmodeus off his perch in a couple of eons or so. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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yargarth
Seeker
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 06:02:22
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| RA is starting to flip the roles of Artemis and Jarlaxle. Artemis in the older salvatore books was a definte destroyer. He was Drizzts opposite, Drizzt was the good ranger while Artemis was an assain. Drizzt protected life Artemis took it away. Jarlaxle at that time was more of a trickster then of a Villain. In Salvatores new books espically Road of the Patriarch Artemis is going on a path of self discovery and he is starting to turn away from the Villian Archetype. Jaxarle is also given a new light. He is proven to be a more helpful trickster. Therefore, I believe Artemis and Jaxarle should not be considered Villians because of RA Salvatore's new books. Sammaster all the way. |
"You take a step, then another. That's the journey. But to take a step with your eyes open is not a journey at all, it's a remaking of your own mind."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 22:45:47
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| I'm waiting until I see actual, official stats before I decide that Artemis and Jarlaxle are no longer evil, but I agree that they are no longer true villians (they're anti-heroes). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Twilight
Seeker
Canada
68 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 07:45:19
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| I Don't think Jarlaxle was ever evil I think he was in his on words "An oppurtinist" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36779 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 11:18:16
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Originally posted by Twilight
I Don't think Jarlaxle was ever evil I think he was in his on words "An oppurtinist"
Though it's a matter of debate to some, officially, Jarlaxle is statted as evil. |
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yargarth
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 05:46:57
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| I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil. Espically in the Road to the Patriarch when there is exrteme character devlopment on Jarlaxle. It seems as his lt. the psiconist (Sorry can't spell his name because atm i am lacking my books) if far more evil then him. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 17:52:07
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Originally posted by yargarth
I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.
Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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quajack
Seeker
86 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 03:24:00
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| Brin the halfling from The Yellow Silk is pretty diabolical. Klev the torturer from Son of Thunder is also very dispicable. Both characters illicited a strong reaction from this reader. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 23:26:20
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Originally posted by quajack
Brin the halfling from The Yellow Silk is pretty diabolical. Klev the torturer from Son of Thunder is also very dispicable. Both characters illicited a strong reaction from this reader.
Haven't read SoT yet, but yes, that halfling shocked me, too. Also, it was refreshing to read about a halfling who was actually taken seriously by everyone else in the book. |
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Milith holder of HB8
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Dec 2006 : 06:53:02
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Raistlin.
That man was a freaking genius. |
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yargarth
Seeker
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58 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 23:22:21
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Originally posted by yargarth
I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.
Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil.
sorry i am being slow i was At a sailing clinic but, i mean statted. Sorry, I am mainly reading but I have played about half of NWN and did not realize that he was neutral evil, but yet again whatever game he is stated in as Neutral Evil was most likely made after Road to the Patriarch because salvatore does some serious character build up on jarlaxle which is slowly turning him into a slightly more good aligned character. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36779 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 00:52:57
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Originally posted by yargarth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by yargarth
I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.
Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil.
sorry i am being slow i was At a sailing clinic but, i mean statted. Sorry, I am mainly reading but I have played about half of NWN and did not realize that he was neutral evil, but yet again whatever game he is stated in as Neutral Evil was most likely made after Road to the Patriarch because salvatore does some serious character build up on jarlaxle which is slowly turning him into a slightly more good aligned character.
It's all the older lore that puts him at being NE. I don't believe he's had an official write-up since the days of 2E. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 01:01:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It's all the older lore that puts him at being NE. I don't believe he's had an official write-up since the days of 2E.
He has short stat's in the FRCS and Underdark, and those two books also list him as NE. |
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yargarth
Seeker
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 04:41:31
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| makes sense I have never played the old school stuff |
"You take a step, then another. That's the journey. But to take a step with your eyes open is not a journey at all, it's a remaking of your own mind."
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Enialus Meliamne
Acolyte
Portugal
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 12:00:57
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I'm partial to Kymil myself...Im reading Evermeet once again, and working my way through from there to The Last Mythal for Realms changing events (I have either most of them all ready, of have ordered them recently on Amazon).
For likeability...Elaith. Hands down.
For hoping he'll come back from the darkside, Artemis, also hands down.
It's nice to be back here reading the forums again, after a long hiatus. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 15:59:42
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I'd go for Telemont at the moment, as given time he'll make you into an evil person without realizing it.
Although Fzoul is pretty cool as a bad guy.
I agree that Karsus isn't a villain, he was trying to stop his people being killed by the Phaerimm and it went horribly wrong. Things would of been different if Mystyl had just went 'oh, do you need help with something?'.
I agree Dag Zoreth could have been a real contender but for the 'meh' factor of Thornhold's ending, if not all of it after the toy part. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 17:32:01
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I agree that Karsus isn't a villain, he was trying to stop his people being killed by the Phaerimm and it went horribly wrong. Things would of been different if Mystyl had just went 'oh, do you need help with something?'.
Indeed. I know that when someone is trying to end my existence because of their own foolishness and arrogance, I always offer them any assistance they may need. 
Sorry, but direct intervention like you suggest isn't really a deific thing, and Mystryl was doing the best she could do, given a seriously bad situation. |
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Iliphar1
Learned Scribe
Austria
133 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 23:02:35
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| I think the most interesting Villain I read about was Artemis Enteri & The Soujourner. I just loved every single aspect of the Paul Kemp's Sojourner, especially, that he undertook all these troubles just for such a mundane (and at the same time so human) reason. |
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BeastlyIrishman
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 07:23:13
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| I had to go with Artemis and Jarlaxle. Entreri is a cold and ruthless killer who will pull out any dirty tricky to accomplish his task, and Jarlaxle is a cunning little Drow who has demonstrated his forte' for treachery and deceit.(I wonder if the fact that I'm a huge Entreri-fan somehow influenced my vote?) |
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yargarth
Seeker
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 03:40:25
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I had to go with Artemis and Jarlaxle. Entreri is a cold and ruthless killer who will pull out any dirty tricky to accomplish his task, and Jarlaxle is a cunning little Drow who has demonstrated his forte' for treachery and deceit.(I wonder if the fact that I'm a huge Entreri-fan somehow influenced my vote?)
but their roles may be changeing |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 03:47:30
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I hope not.
Artemis should stay the cold blooded bastard that he is.
Even if I wouldn't mind him gaining a few more dimensions to being a ruthless killer.
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boddynock
Learned Scribe
Belgium
258 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2007 : 15:17:17
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| Cyric, a mortal who became a god of strife and murder :) |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2007 : 19:18:57
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| Sarya and Malkizid, followed by Artemis and Jarlaxle... |
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hooper101
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 22:00:45
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| How about Ghost from Night Masks? |
Die, die, die ,die, die, why won't you just die you silly dragon! |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 23:22:33
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My vote goes to the Elven High Mages who destroyed the surface of Toril to make Evermeet, and those who destroyed Jhaamdath. Brutal killers!
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 23:27:29
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| I chose Cyric. While I love Entreri and Jarlaxle, I find that they both have some redeeming quality. I couldn't think of any for Cyric. |
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He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness. 
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 26 Dec 2007 : 18:19:26
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Fillow
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The Greatest Villain Ever
