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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 :  11:35:07  Show Profile  Click to see Crennen FaerieBane's MSN Messenger address Send Crennen FaerieBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar

quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane

Well, I would have to Malkizid - he's got the most unlimited potential, and being immortal, has a memory to match. He was involved in starting a Crown War, and is currently guiding Sarya Dlardrageth to victory against the elves of Evermeet. I like him - plus he has that neat oozing wound on his forehead... always cool!

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Pardon my asking, can I know where can I find this information that is mentioned above? Thanks.



You can also find out a lot about what happened in Lost Empires of Faerun - that's where you can see what game Malkizid ran.

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atlas689
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 :  18:02:29  Show Profile  Visit atlas689's Homepage  Send atlas689 an AOL message Send atlas689 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Artemis and Jarlaxle ther'ye just to cool for school. I wouldnt even put Karsus as a villian, he thought he was doing what he needed to do to save his people, all in all, he was just really really confused!
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Beirnadri Magranth
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I voted for other and I'm surprised no one else besides Crennen picked an icon of the Crown Wars. The greatest villain in my perspective was Coronal Ivosaar Vyshaan a man-elf who single handedly started a millenia-long war!

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quajack
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Posted - 01 May 2006 :  16:35:40  Show Profile  Visit quajack's Homepage Send quajack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Although Karsus probably had the most significant, destructive impact on Faerun's history, I'm not sure that he can be categorized as a wholly 'evil' character. Insane, yes, but insanity does not necessarily equal evil. According to the FR novels (primarily the Nethril Tilogy and a bit 'o' info from the Return of the Archwizards)
Karsus was a brilliant sorcerer who was out of touch with reality. While he attempted to usurp Mystral, it appeared as though madness guided his actions moreso than any diabolical intentions.

Bottom line: insane does not equal evil.
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Zimme
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I voted cyric/bane, well they are gods and have countless evil deeds on their record, things that no mortal can match.

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Jorkens
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Karsus as the most destructive and self-serving villain. Fzoul (pre-chosen status) as personal favorite villain. I will also give honorable mention to Hobarth the cleric of Bhaal and lord Hhune of Tethyr
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Oct 2006 :  17:27:58  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was liked artermis and jarlaxle as characters.



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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 23 Oct 2006 :  22:38:17  Show Profile  Visit Wandering_mage's Homepage Send Wandering_mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cyric definitely. :) He was so bad that I can't even imagine how much chaos he sturred up.

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Haman
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Posted - 23 Oct 2006 :  22:49:04  Show Profile  Visit Haman's Homepage Send Haman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Manshoon.

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Twilight
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Posted - 09 Nov 2006 :  08:06:37  Show Profile  Visit Twilight's Homepage Send Twilight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jarlaxle is'nt really a villain buti still choose him
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Thauramarth
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I went for Manshoon, on the basis of achievement. OK, so right now, he may have a tiny problem or two, but the man built up one of the mightiest villainous organisations of Faerūn from almost scratch in under a hundred years. You have to appreciate that (Fzoul most probably does ). It's probably not entirely correct, but I always tend to think of Manshoon as the Moriarty of the Realms - a cold, manipulative, scheming and highly skilled organiser and planner. All the other villains listed in the poll tend to have some emotions, even old Szass. Manshoon is, to my mind, the Realmsian epithome of cold, calculating, emotionless evil. When he passes on to the next life, he'll make a fine lemure , and I would not be surprised if he knocks Asmodeus off his perch in a couple of eons or so.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 :  05:48:52  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Karsus wasn't a villain, you know. He was a good guy...He's just very misunderstood, and had a horrible PR Agent...

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yargarth
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 :  06:02:22  Show Profile  Visit yargarth's Homepage Send yargarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
RA is starting to flip the roles of Artemis and Jarlaxle. Artemis in the older salvatore books was a definte destroyer. He was Drizzts opposite, Drizzt was the good ranger while Artemis was an assain. Drizzt protected life Artemis took it away. Jarlaxle at that time was more of a trickster then of a Villain. In Salvatores new books espically Road of the Patriarch Artemis is going on a path of self discovery and he is starting to turn away from the Villian Archetype. Jaxarle is also given a new light. He is proven to be a more helpful trickster. Therefore, I believe Artemis and Jaxarle should not be considered Villians because of RA Salvatore's new books. Sammaster all the way.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 :  22:45:47  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm waiting until I see actual, official stats before I decide that Artemis and Jarlaxle are no longer evil, but I agree that they are no longer true villians (they're anti-heroes).

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Twilight
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  07:45:19  Show Profile  Visit Twilight's Homepage Send Twilight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I Don't think Jarlaxle was ever evil I think he was in his on words "An oppurtinist"

Edited by - Twilight on 27 Dec 2006 07:46:02
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 :  11:18:16  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Twilight

I Don't think Jarlaxle was ever evil I think he was in his on words "An oppurtinist"



Though it's a matter of debate to some, officially, Jarlaxle is statted as evil.

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yargarth
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 :  05:46:57  Show Profile  Visit yargarth's Homepage Send yargarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil. Espically in the Road to the Patriarch when there is exrteme character devlopment on Jarlaxle. It seems as his lt. the psiconist (Sorry can't spell his name because atm i am lacking my books) if far more evil then him.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by yargarth

I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.


Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 :  19:40:46  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The DM is the greatest villain ever...mwahahahaha

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quajack
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  03:24:00  Show Profile  Visit quajack's Homepage Send quajack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brin the halfling from The Yellow Silk is pretty diabolical. Klev the torturer from Son of Thunder is also very dispicable. Both characters illicited a strong reaction from this reader.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 :  23:26:20  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Brin the halfling from The Yellow Silk is pretty diabolical. Klev the torturer from Son of Thunder is also very dispicable. Both characters illicited a strong reaction from this reader.



Haven't read SoT yet, but yes, that halfling shocked me, too. Also, it was refreshing to read about a halfling who was actually taken seriously by everyone else in the book.

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Raistlin.

That man was a freaking genius.

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yargarth
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by yargarth

I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.


Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil.


sorry i am being slow i was At a sailing clinic but, i mean statted. Sorry, I am mainly reading but I have played about half of NWN and did not realize that he was neutral evil, but yet again whatever game he is stated in as Neutral Evil was most likely made after Road to the Patriarch because salvatore does some serious character build up on jarlaxle which is slowly turning him into a slightly more good aligned character.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by yargarth

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by yargarth

I agree he is an oppertunist but, it was never stated that he is evil.


Do you mean stated or statted? It may be true that none of the novels say that he is evil, but every time we have been given game stats of him, he is listed as Neutral Evil.


sorry i am being slow i was At a sailing clinic but, i mean statted. Sorry, I am mainly reading but I have played about half of NWN and did not realize that he was neutral evil, but yet again whatever game he is stated in as Neutral Evil was most likely made after Road to the Patriarch because salvatore does some serious character build up on jarlaxle which is slowly turning him into a slightly more good aligned character.



It's all the older lore that puts him at being NE. I don't believe he's had an official write-up since the days of 2E.

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Kuje
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quote:
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It's all the older lore that puts him at being NE. I don't believe he's had an official write-up since the days of 2E.



He has short stat's in the FRCS and Underdark, and those two books also list him as NE.

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