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Nevorick
Acolyte
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 Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 06:51:43
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I have a fairly simple question. Many of the pc's in my game are Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr. One of the players is also a worshipper of Sune. He would like to become a Knight of the Ruby Rose(a Knight to Sune) as well.
Does anyone see any reason why he could or could not hold a knighthood in both? I don't know if a knightly order would allow a knight to serve "two masters" or if he would have to chose one over the other.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 06:59:39
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| I guess that would depend on what the duties of each Knighthood would entail, however, if its any help, we do know that a least of one of Cormyr's High Knights is also a Harper, so apparently that dual membership did not preclude anyone's acceptance. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 07:14:37
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Originally posted by Nevorick
I have a fairly simple question. Many of the pc's in my game are Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr. One of the players is also a worshipper of Sune. He would like to become a Knight of the Ruby Rose(a Knight to Sune) as well.
Does anyone see any reason why he could or could not hold a knighthood in both? I don't know if a knightly order would allow a knight to serve "two masters" or if he would have to chose one over the other.
I think it would depend upon his commitment to the Purple Dragons, and seeing Sune as his patron deity. He may see his role as a Purple Dragon Knight to be one more focused on military and secular matters... upholding the laws of the Forest Kingdom. His drive to be a Brother of the Ruby Rose allows him to foster his more spiritual side, serving the interests of his patron.
Of course, if his committment to the Purple Dragon Knights puts him in a position that could compromise his service to Sune, then the PC may likely find himself in a dilemma, which may not only force him to decide which knighthood he truly wishes to serve, but would also make for some rather intriguing roleplaying.
As I see it, the PC would have to decide which of his commitments has a higher calling. Does he believe secular/worldly matters are more important than faith, or does he see his position as a divine agent of Lady Firehair as being of paramount importance in the Realms? What happens when the two commitments coincide with each other? What happens when they work against each other?
These are just some points that I would have a player in my campaign consider before he or she wanted to try something like this in my FR campaign.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 09:46:12
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Originally posted by Nevorick
I have a fairly simple question. Many of the pc's in my game are Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr. One of the players is also a worshipper of Sune. He would like to become a Knight of the Ruby Rose(a Knight to Sune) as well.
Does anyone see any reason why he could or could not hold a knighthood in both? I don't know if a knightly order would allow a knight to serve "two masters" or if he would have to chose one over the other.
Without reading code of both orders I can see membership permitted. One order secular and one religious at times the faith moght conflict with duty to the crown. |
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Nevorick
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 18:52:58
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Thank you everyone for the input. I could see a dilemma for the knight in trying to serve both the King of Cormyr and the Goddess of Love in two seperate orders.
I wonder if the King or Sune would make him choose one to avoid potential conflicts? |
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 19:22:01
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Why not have him take some time off every year to complete a quest for the church of Sune Firehair. If he has been a good little soldier, and Cormyr is not in need of his services, perhaps they could let him take a month off every year to perform his religious duties.
This would enable him to continue working within the ranks of the Purple Dragons, and yet allow him to strongly support his religious status as a knight of Sune. |
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Ty
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 19:47:42
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I also have to echo the sentiments of many posters here in throwing my 2 nibs in. Dependent upon the code of each respective knightly order, you may have conflicts arise. Does one follow king and country on a divisive issue or the tenents of a religious faith. I keep thinking back to the Knights Templar, the Knights Hospitaler, and numerous other orders that existed throughout the middle ages.  |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 20:27:07
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I also have to echo the sentiments of many posters here in throwing my 2 nibs in. Dependent upon the code of each respective knightly order, you may have conflicts arise. Does one follow king and country on a divisive issue or the tenents of a religious faith. I keep thinking back to the Knights Templar, the Knights Hospitaler, and numerous other orders that existed throughout the middle ages.
I suppose I should throw a couple of coppers in here too, and remind everyone that the Purple Dragon knight prestige class does not represent a knightly order. It is supposed to represent leadership within the Purple Dragons (again, the military of Cormyr, not an order of knighthood), usually for those who have actually been knighted (it's a failing of the class that it's called "knight" when the word actually means something in Cormyr). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 23:12:52
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Originally posted by Nevorick
I could see a dilemma for the knight in trying to serve both the King of Cormyr and the Goddess of Love in two seperate orders.
I dunno if that would be such a dilemma... Serving an Obarskyr could be said to be serving the goddess of love.   |
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Iliphar1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 23:42:46
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| It should be possible, but I your PC has to chose which side he favors, is serving the Purple Dragons first priority to the PC or Ruby Rose? I rather doubt it could be equal |
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Forge
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 14:50:49
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| I'm with Wooly here. With the well-documented proclivities of Azoun's line, I can see Sune placing some of her own in his court. The flip side of this would also be what issues would arise with Sune's whims influencing the court. Examples: What if Sune decided that Alusair needed to loosen up and get laid? |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 16:59:38
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| I'm not sure what Alusair's current behaviour vis-a-vis men is, but judging by her past I'd say it'd be considered as business as usual. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 17:43:46
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I'm not sure what Alusair's current behaviour vis-a-vis men is, but judging by her past I'd say it'd be considered as business as usual.
I think her encounter with a Huntinghorn in Elminster's Daughter clearly showed Alusair's current behavior towards men. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 19:36:41
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I'm not sure what Alusair's current behaviour vis-a-vis men is, but judging by her past I'd say it'd be considered as business as usual.
I think her encounter with a Huntinghorn in Elminster's Daughter clearly showed Alusair's current behavior towards men.
Oh gobbely-goo. That's what you get for only borrowing a book and reading it once before returning it, you forget some scenes. Guess that means that I doubt even Sune thinks she need to loosen up. Atleast not in order to sleep with men. (Possibly to fall in love though, if I recall the discussion between Ed and Zandilar on the subject correctly.) |
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Edited by - Kajehase on 16 Jun 2005 19:38:11 |
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