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MerrikCale
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 :  14:51:59  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message
why is "neutral" not a choice?



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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 :  17:29:04  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message
I've always thought Jaraxle to be more controlled than Chaotic in his dealings, and as for Good / Evil I'm not sure. True he thrives in a evil city but as he states in one of the books he is a survivor much like Drizzt's dad Zak Nafien (I think spelling is right sorry if not) he really seems a paradox of Dark Elven society.


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I think in the Road of the Patriarch we will see both Entreri and Jarlaxle's true colors. I cant wait for it!!!

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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 :  04:44:47  Show Profile  Visit yargarth's Homepage Send yargarth a Private Message
I belive that he is neutral but appraently a book states that he is neutral evil. I personally think is is shifting neutral because of Salvatores ROP.

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unknown warrior
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 :  19:44:41  Show Profile  Visit unknown warrior's Homepage Send unknown warrior a Private Message
jarlaxle is really good but he can't help what he is a drow. drows see what is consider wrong to be right,so jarlaxle probably knows what he does is wrong but thinks its ok cause hes a drow and thats his excuse if someone calls him evil or chaoic it just what his people r and no matter what he does he can't escape it.unlike drizzt who successed in do so.And he only a mercenary cause thats another way for him to say that he not evil hes just doing his job to live and survive.And the greed of money just adds to his image of being evil. so he does whats in his limits.to do what is right so as not to be outcasted from his people.so really hes does good with in his bounds so as not to have people mkae him out to be a good guy.

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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  01:14:06  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by unknown warrior

jarlaxle is really good but he can't help what he is a drow. drows see what is consider wrong to be right,so jarlaxle probably knows what he does is wrong but thinks its ok cause hes a drow and thats his excuse if someone calls him evil or chaoic it just what his people r and no matter what he does he can't escape it.



It's still evil.


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unknown warrior
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  03:30:09  Show Profile  Visit unknown warrior's Homepage Send unknown warrior a Private Message
yeah, but isn't r world just like the drows wrong is right and right is wrong.to not see this u must be part of the group just like all drows r part of there group.the world is amoral just like the drows world.but u can be like drizzt and realize whats really the truth of the world around u.

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unknown warrior
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  04:24:22  Show Profile  Visit unknown warrior's Homepage Send unknown warrior a Private Message
so what i mean is be more like drizzt moral.honor is the number one thing that makes drizzt different from his people cause the drow have no since of this term. read homeland the part were drizzt teams with some one he thought to be a friend,and to win he stab his friend in the back cause he couldn't beat him face to face. so there for u can but can't call jarlaxle evil.from my first post what i meant to do was bring understand to why jaraxle is the way he is but if u truly think of it your right he truly is evil cause he knows and does care that hes evil and doesn't even try to change his ways so with that thought he truly is evil. to get to that conculsion took alot and thought and reason.

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I feel I need to warn you unknown warrior that the poor quality of your writing will get you ignored by many scribes here.
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unknown warrior
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  04:38:01  Show Profile  Visit unknown warrior's Homepage Send unknown warrior a Private Message
thanx again skeptic you are a valuable allie on here.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 :  23:15:42  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
Sorry, unknown warrior, but your point isn't coming through to me at all.

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unknown warrior
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 :  04:39:05  Show Profile  Visit unknown warrior's Homepage Send unknown warrior a Private Message
after thinking and reasoning to a while but your right no matter what hes evil,nut helps people here and there for the fun of it.it is confusioning just all togather to explain.what i really did is reason why hes is like he is and what he could to do to be like drizzt but he just doesn't choose to enough though he knows what he does is wrong but cause hes a drow it ok.what i mean to say is try to understand the why jarlaxle might think,thats why he acts the way he does.

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Ontarah
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  21:34:14  Show Profile  Visit Ontarah's Homepage Send Ontarah a Private Message
I think when you first see him in Exile he can be described as NE. In that, his primary motivations are indeed just to make a profit. As the story goes on however I think he really starts shifting towards N. Sometimes he seems to act solely for profit. Other times he does things that seem kind. He feels "guilty" about betraying Zaknafein as it stakes in RotP, but he still betrayed him. Drizzt speculates in a journal entry in RotP that he does what he does for the sake of entertainment, and I really agree with his assessment. He is capable of meticulous planning, but I think most of what he does he just does to satisfy some weird curiosity. So between all the seeming alignment disparities and the huge range of behaviors, I would say CN. He does whatever he feels like doing at that particular point in time. In Menzo, he feels like acting NE. On the surface, he almost hits CG a few times, but that might all change tomorrow.
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Warrax
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 :  01:42:56  Show Profile  Visit Warrax's Homepage  Click to see Warrax's MSN Messenger address Send Warrax a Private Message
You know, I voted Neutral but I realized it's a bit of a mistake. NE is probably the best way to describe him. He's not evil in the sense of trying to repress others or randomly murdering things or what-not...

But he definitely has no compunctions about violence (even overt and what might seem to be excessive violence) if it gets him what he wants. He's a Romantic, I think, but he has no illusions about the world and he likes to have fun. Fun that sometimes gets people killed.

He's the most enjoyable kind of evil there is.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 12 Oct 2007 :  20:55:37  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message
Jaraxle is definitely Chaotic Neutral. Chaotic is why he stayed a favored of Lloth for so long, and Neutral because he does whatever the hell he likes with little thought as to how it is viewed by others.

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I believe that describes Jaraxle to a "T"

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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 :  16:32:37  Show Profile  Send Brynweir an AOL message Send Brynweir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

Jaraxle is definitely Chaotic Neutral. Chaotic is why he stayed a favored of Lloth for so long, and Neutral because he does whatever the hell he likes with little thought as to how it is viewed by others.

quote:
From the Dungeon Master's Guide v3.5, pg. 105

Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom from both society's restrictions and a do-gooder's zeal.



I believe that describes Jaraxle to a "T"



I have to agree that he is CN. I think that, while Jarlaxle may do good, it is not because he is good. Rather, life to him is like a grand experiment and he just likes to see what buttons he can push. He has had such a long life and he is beginning to see it as pointless. By making changes in others and dictating events, he is trying to make his life interesting again. I think that he is looking for meaning in his own existence.

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Ranin
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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 :  06:10:01  Show Profile  Visit Ranin's Homepage Send Ranin a Private Message
Actually if Jarlaxle's stats were to be shown, it would say that he is chaotic evil. I have found that characters who are'nt necessarily overly malicious tend to be labeled evil.

I personally agree that he would be shown as neutral evil in the earlier stories such as the Legacy of the Drow series and the Silent Blade. I the legacy series he is more neutral evil, then he shifts to chaotic evil in the Silent Blade then towards the Sellsword Trilogy he moves to Chaotic Neutral.

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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 :  19:25:09  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
I wonder why people argue so much about Jarlaxle's alignment, but not the alignments of other characters. I mean, he HAS an official alignment.

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Ranin
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Posted - 18 Oct 2007 :  07:25:02  Show Profile  Visit Ranin's Homepage Send Ranin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I wonder why people argue so much about Jarlaxle's alignment, but not the alignments of other characters. I mean, he HAS an official alignment.



I agree. I think the whole alignment thing is a little over-used. People are who they are in this world, and they are who they are in the Realms.

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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 :  18:37:45  Show Profile  Visit GRYPHON's Homepage Send GRYPHON a Private Message
Neutral evil...
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His alignment is given as evil in his stat block in the FRCG (p. 251).

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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I wonder why people argue so much about Jarlaxle's alignment, but not the alignments of other characters. I mean, he HAS an official alignment.

Yes but they see that hat and the gleam in his eye and think, "that's not such a bad chap, he can't really be evil".


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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker
Yes but they see that hat and the gleam in his eye and think, "that's not such a bad chap, he can't really be evil".





Probably. And yes, even after 100 years, he's still evil.

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He's been Neutral Evil from day one and I for one see no reason why he should not be. Then again, I hardly care for definite alignments in one person 24/7 and a lifetime.

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CHAOTIC NEUTRAL

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