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thomas b.
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Posted - 29 May 2005 :  22:23:30  Show Profile  Visit thomas b.'s Homepage  Send thomas b. an AOL message Send thomas b. a Private Message  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
the notorious mercenary from the darkelf trilogy.he is cunning and devious.although some of his actions leave you questioning his alighnment.is he good.or perhaps he is a follower of vhearun.i would like to know your opinions on this.

Choices:

good.
evil.
completeley neutral/
who cares hes awseome either way.

(Anonymous Vote)

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VEDSICA
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  14:49:28  Show Profile  Visit VEDSICA's Homepage Send VEDSICA a Private Message
Well he's definitely not good that's for sure.I could have said it doesn't matter.He's awesome eihter way.Okay I do say that,but he is evil.Though if you told me he was chaotic neutral.I would go for that too.

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Melfius
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  15:07:19  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage  Send Melfius an AOL message Send Melfius a Private Message
He is definitly chaotic neutral. He doesn't believe in a set of laws, but has no problem with helping or harming others.

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thomas b.
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  17:06:35  Show Profile  Visit thomas b.'s Homepage  Send thomas b. an AOL message Send thomas b. a Private Message
yeah i personally agree with you bot although.i think this question is probaly what makes him such an interesting charactor.

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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  17:09:24  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage  Send Chosen of Bane an AOL message Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message
I think there are only two possibilities for Jarlaxle; Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil.

I would lean towards Chaotic Evil. Too many people think that all CE characters must be reckless lunatics who murder people on a whim. However, not all CE people are Orc berserkers and they are capable of having friends and caring about people. Jarlaxle is clearly evil. That's a no brainer for me. He murders people, he steals, and he cares for himself first always. A way I like to think of it, if Jarlaxle walked by a Paladin, would the Paladin be able to detect evil? I think the answer is obvious.

As for the chaotic aspect. He seems to be extremely unpredictable and loves experiencing chaos. You really never know who he is going to help and which side he'll be on. He has saved Drizzt, Artemis, and Regis, sometimes it suited his goals, sometimes it didn't. He is absolutely unpredictable. This is why I consider him Chaotic Evil.

The only reason I would consider Neutral Evil is because if he was purely chaotic the argument could me made that he would not be able to function in an organization such as Bregan D'athaer (sp?). Despite this, I still consider him CE.
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thomas b.
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  17:33:10  Show Profile  Visit thomas b.'s Homepage  Send thomas b. an AOL message Send thomas b. a Private Message
true he is evil in a way.but if i had to choose to cross him or dantrag benrae ide choose jarlaxle. i dont think jarlaxle would kill merely for pleasure .i always assume there i s a reason for his actions.wich is understandable considering his position if he does one thing out of sequence all of his operations could be destroyed. if i were him i would look at things from a completely nuetral prospective.

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warlockco
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  20:12:53  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message
Jarlaxle is Evil, but he is alot like Lolth in some ways. Chaos is more fun than anything else. Hence why he has helped Drizzt in the past, and done "good" things at times. As long as it doesn't hurt him, yet will cause all kinds of nice fun chaos, he is pretty much for it.

Also Jarlaxle is a smart and controlled evil. He is a big picture type of guy.

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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  20:24:29  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage  Send Chosen of Bane an AOL message Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

Jarlaxle is Evil, but he is alot like Lolth in some ways. Chaos is more fun than anything else. Hence why he has helped Drizzt in the past, and done "good" things at times. As long as it doesn't hurt him, yet will cause all kinds of nice fun chaos, he is pretty much for it.

Also Jarlaxle is a smart and controlled evil. He is a big picture type of guy.



I couldn't agree more.

That is exactly my reasoning for him being chaoitc evil.
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Kaladorm
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  21:47:25  Show Profile  Visit Kaladorm's Homepage Send Kaladorm a Private Message
I believe he is neutral purely so he can focus on chaos no matter what. Whether he sows chaos by doing good or evil acts is irrelevant to him, so long as he causes it :)
Lolth must love him to bits :D
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thomas b.
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  22:23:57  Show Profile  Visit thomas b.'s Homepage  Send thomas b. an AOL message Send thomas b. a Private Message
wow these are some great answers. i wish i could be just like jarlaxle,he my idol.



and yes i am screwed up a llittle.

thomas

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Xysma
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Posted - 31 May 2005 :  05:10:43  Show Profile  Visit Xysma's Homepage Send Xysma a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Bane

not all CE people are Orc berserkers and they are capable of having friends and caring about people.


That's a good point, it could of course be extended to any evil character. I think that's one reason most (all) of the evil campaigns I have tried to run ended badly. The players constantly want to try to kill each other, steal from each other, etc. Without some sort of moral compass to guide their actions, the players often have trouble justifying working as a team with other evil characters.

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LordAnki
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Posted - 31 May 2005 :  15:57:28  Show Profile  Visit LordAnki's Homepage  Send LordAnki an AOL message Send LordAnki a Private Message
Well hell, I would have to go with chaotic neutral but you know what. Who cares! He's the true star of Menzoberranzen. Jarlaxle can talk how he likes to anyone and they know not to attack him.

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thomas b.
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Posted - 31 May 2005 :  16:38:50  Show Profile  Visit thomas b.'s Homepage  Send thomas b. an AOL message Send thomas b. a Private Message
thtas true everyone knows the value of his network. he is probaly one of the most infleuential charactors in menzo.

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Wooly Rupert
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LordAnki, perhaps you could in the future be a bit more selective with your choice of words? Not all people are comfortable with certain language, and some scribes here live with parents who'd object to certain phrases.

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Posted - 31 May 2005 :  18:14:17  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

LordAnki, perhaps you could in the future be a bit more selective with your choice of words? Not all people are comfortable with certain language, and some scribes here live with parents who'd object to certain phrases.



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khorne
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Posted - 31 May 2005 :  18:36:18  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

LordAnki, perhaps you could in the future be a bit more selective with your choice of words? Not all people are comfortable with certain language, and some scribes here live with parents who'd object to certain phrases.

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LordAnki
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 :  16:08:50  Show Profile  Visit LordAnki's Homepage  Send LordAnki an AOL message Send LordAnki a Private Message
ah sorry about that guys. I couldn't think of anything else to describe Jarlaxle's awesomeness (is that even a word oh well it is now)

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 :  16:18:02  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Bane

quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

Jarlaxle is Evil, but he is alot like Lolth in some ways. Chaos is more fun than anything else. Hence why he has helped Drizzt in the past, and done "good" things at times. As long as it doesn't hurt him, yet will cause all kinds of nice fun chaos, he is pretty much for it.

Also Jarlaxle is a smart and controlled evil. He is a big picture type of guy.



I couldn't agree more.

That is exactly my reasoning for him being chaoitc evil.



I must argue with your reasoning, although I see this as a matter of perspection more than 'it says this in Menzoberranzan-boxed set'-matter (having not even read that accessory ;)

In my experience as a gamer/player and a reader, my opinion leans towards neutral/chaotic neutral. When has Jarlaxle committed an act of conscious malice, either in written Realmslore or fiction? Certainly he is ambitious, and put his own interests above all, but he has a (somewhat-twisted) code of honour.

Why would he be neutral? Because he has run Bregan D'aerthe, which is/was a highly efficient organization, which is harder to accomplish for a chaotic character (but possible).

When have you seen him act in ways that would justice any evil alignment?

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Kaladorm
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Remember the difference between 'evil' and 'not good' :)
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  22:29:04  Show Profile  Click to see Crennen FaerieBane's MSN Messenger address Send Crennen FaerieBane a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by thomas b.

wow these are some great answers. i wish i could be just like jarlaxle,he my idol.



and yes i am screwed up a llittle.

thomas



Hey, you could honestly have a lot worse idols who are real living, breathing people. :) Jarlaxle is ok!

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ode904
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 :  22:49:45  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message
ok guys. Try to read Servant of the Shard again. And the Silent Blade. Then you are going to understand that JAralxle is neutral, or possibly good. He kills when he has to. And nothing more. He just wants money.
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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 :  23:14:13  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage  Send Chosen of Bane an AOL message Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ode904

ok guys. Try to read Servant of the Shard again. And the Silent Blade. Then you are going to understand that JAralxle is neutral, or possibly good. He kills when he has to. And nothing more. He just wants money.



Sounds evil to me. Extreme greed is definitely an evil trait.
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Arlenion
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 :  23:54:15  Show Profile  Visit Arlenion's Homepage Send Arlenion a Private Message
Like several people have said evil doesn't mean kill everything in sight. I think of Jarlaxle as being evil because he will occasionally do evil acts without remorse then or later. Just as good is not completely perfect in every regard, evil is not necessarily completely murderous and an evil character is not necessarily always doing something wrong. I do agree that he is mostly chaotic. The reason he can hold together Bregan De'arthe(spelling?) is because he is very charismatic and intelligent.
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magnakanus
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 :  17:30:15  Show Profile  Visit magnakanus's Homepage  Send magnakanus an ICQ Message Send magnakanus a Private Message
He is definately Neutral evil and a follower of vhearun. Look at it this way, he looks out for himself mostly. Builds up a goodly ammount of power and money to make sure he is on top, helps people he may need later, and does not adhere to laws NOR act recklessly individualistic. Has to be Neutral Evil.

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ode904
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He's neutral, but not evil. And yes the first part of alignment is chaotic, but it's neutral, perhaps a little towards good. For example he let Drizzt go and his friends too. And there were no profits for him concerning that
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magnakanus
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 :  10:14:55  Show Profile  Visit magnakanus's Homepage  Send magnakanus an ICQ Message Send magnakanus a Private Message
For an intelegent evil character the profits do not have to be immediate. If we look at it objectively, what would Jarlaxle have gained through the betrayal? Not much, a sword of 2 from the Driz and a nice bow from kattie, but what then? Not much.

Having Driz and his friends kinda "owe him one" is worth more than have killed them for the fun of it. To be considered also is the fact that if Driz is out there "doing his stuff" means that the drow need to concentrate some of their resources on him, and less on Jarlaxle. Driz may be good, but he is hunted and reviled and keeps the drow thirst for violance partialy concentrated in another direction. Jarlaxle is one of those problems the drow more than likely consider as "moderately valuable, but to be dealt with at a later time."

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