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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 16:20:02
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Hey, is there someone who know in wich product there is a mention of a destroyed inn on the road between Waterdeep and Daggerford ? The FR Interactive Atlas name this site : The Roosting Griffon Inn.
Thanks !
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 16:27:51
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Try Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast.....
Otherwise it might be one of those undetailed places. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2066 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 17:49:37
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The destroyed inn is a briefly used setting in the "Waterdeep" module (part of the Avatar trilogy). I don't recall if it appears in the Waterdeep novel or not.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 17:52:43
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Originally posted by kuje31
Try Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast.....
I checked the index (Remember when those were included  ) for that tome and could not find any mention of this location. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 18:04:19
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Try Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast.....
I checked the index (Remember when those were included ) for that tome and could not find any mention of this location.
Ah. Well that was why I said try it. :) |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 20:30:24
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quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
The destroyed inn is a briefly used setting in the "Waterdeep" module (part of the Avatar trilogy). I don't recall if it appears in the Waterdeep novel or not.
--Eric
Thanks a lot Eric, that was an obscure one.. |
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timid kobold
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 01:43:01
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I believe this is indeed the inn briefly mentioned in the Avatar trilogy of novels.
*spoilers from the novel*
From what I recall, the zombies (night riders) that were tasked with finding the tablet carried by Midnight and Kel rode through the area. Their orders were to kill anybody that saw them. There was a battle at the inn and everyone except the innkeeper perished. Cyric came across the inn later and spoke a bit with the innkeeper before dispatching him. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 06:07:52
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quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
The destroyed inn is a briefly used setting in the "Waterdeep" module (part of the Avatar trilogy).
Page 31.
There's also a map of the ruined inn included with the module.
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2020 : 17:42:33
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Eric,
By chance, did you ever hear of anything regarding that land being used again by someone? I know that the Harper's as a part of their strategy of maintaining influence on the Sword Coast, will purchase lands so they can install innkeeps, etc.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
The destroyed inn is a briefly used setting in the "Waterdeep" module (part of the Avatar trilogy). I don't recall if it appears in the Waterdeep novel or not.
--Eric
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2020 : 19:27:10
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Eric,
Ah, I just checked that out.
Shocked (not actually) that WotC wouldn't allow this to go forward. Typical WotC in this regard: stifle the creativity of people that can make it all better.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Not that I know of. I think my current thoughts are in Under Illefarn Anew.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 : 22:29:04
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Eric,
Ah, I just checked that out.
Shocked (not actually) that WotC wouldn't allow this to go forward. Typical WotC in this regard: stifle the creativity of people that can make it all better.
As much as I dislike defending WotC, I will disagree with this assessment. WotC makes role-playing games -- stifling creativity runs rather counter to that.
No, the problem is that they are hyper-focused on the bottom dollar, and everything else -- such as maintaining continuity or embracing original ideas -- runs a distant second.
There's no need to assume malicious intent when it's a simple issue of misplaced priorities or bad decisions.
And I'm not saying that they're wrong for looking at the bottom dollar -- indeed, that's only to be expected.
I maintain that the goals of making money, maintaining continuity, and being creative are not mutually exclusive, though the current direction of the setting makes it clear that someone higher up the food chain at WotC thinks otherwise. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2020 : 23:35:43
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Master Rupert,
I could accept that kind of assessment, if I accepted that their marketing department was so abysmal at developing their 1/3/5/7 (assuming they cycle that way) plan that they effectively overlooked the service element of their offerings. WotC offers both products and services. The kind of immersion that this service offers with a campaign setting is spot on (not aggregately, but in a proportionally weighted manner) with Star Wars, and issues they have had with that product and service. Lack of continuity is a huge issue in this kind of an offering, and we've seen it play out with customer rage with 4e, and with Star Wars as well. Sure, fen keep rolling back, but you begin to see an erosion, slowly over time in their retained customers block. Loyalty is a hard thing to get back.
I can't speak from a perspective of working inside the company, so I can only speak as a customer with limited arcs of awareness in how I interface with their offerings.
I can say that when I see their DM's Guild exploding with product offerings which the customers themselves are making the products to be offered for a "recommended price" [nice ways around the L&I laws in WA State WotC - I do business consulting here in WA State and I can legitimately say....clever as hell!], yet Eric can't deliver "Under Illefarn Anew", it seems like picking and choosing with purpose. Eric is a professional, extremely knowledgeable on the Realms, and can write something that carries weight to it, because he is an actual designer. When someone sees Eric Boyd on the cover, people think "canon." When people see, "Steve Magillicuti" [sorry if I co-opted a real Steve out there folk!] the dude down the from block, they think, "Cool, great nerd stuff to possibly add in." I automatically put more weight into Eric that dude down the block because of his resume.
Again, I could be wrong as I don't work on the inside, but it does seem very odd to me on the outside that there is plenty in the DM's Guild, but actual designers like Eric appear to be having their material slow walked or blocked.
Eric, am I off on my perspective here? It seems like this stuff gets slowed or stopped for designers, but the lay person drops stuff daily.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Eric,
Ah, I just checked that out.
Shocked (not actually) that WotC wouldn't allow this to go forward. Typical WotC in this regard: stifle the creativity of people that can make it all better.
As much as I dislike defending WotC, I will disagree with this assessment. WotC makes role-playing games -- stifling creativity runs rather counter to that.
No, the problem is that they are hyper-focused on the bottom dollar, and everything else -- such as maintaining continuity or embracing original ideas -- runs a distant second.
There's no need to assume malicious intent when it's a simple issue of misplaced priorities or bad decisions.
And I'm not saying that they're wrong for looking at the bottom dollar -- indeed, that's only to be expected.
I maintain that the goals of making money, maintaining continuity, and being creative are not mutually exclusive, though the current direction of the setting makes it clear that someone higher up the food chain at WotC thinks otherwise.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2020 : 03:49:27
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So far as I know, there is no WotC oversight of what gets put on the DM's Guild. They made an agreement with the DriveThruRPG people, set some rules, and they can require stuff to be taken down -- but I've never heard a single person say that WotC was reviewing everything before it went up.
And some of our creators have posted stuff there, too.
The biggest issue with something like Under Illefarn Anew and the DM's Guild is that it doesn't meet the requirement of using the 5E ruleset.
And I'm not going to fault any gaming company for saying "Do you want you want, just use the most current rules" -- especially when they're doing that for a setup that lets fans make money off the company IP. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2285 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2020 : 04:24:07
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Master Rupert,
I completely get the IP issue. I couldn't agree more. I mean, look at the Aspirin IP case I mentioned in another post I made earlier today. It is a significant issue.
I appreciate you sharing that information about the 5e DM's Guild.
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So far as I know, there is no WotC oversight of what gets put on the DM's Guild. They made an agreement with the DriveThruRPG people, set some rules, and they can require stuff to be taken down -- but I've never heard a single person say that WotC was reviewing everything before it went up.
And some of our creators have posted stuff there, too.
The biggest issue with something like Under Illefarn Anew and the DM's Guild is that it doesn't meet the requirement of using the 5E ruleset.
And I'm not going to fault any gaming company for saying "Do you want you want, just use the most current rules" -- especially when they're doing that for a setup that lets fans make money off the company IP.
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