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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 10 Oct 2009 :  22:34:07  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by skychrome

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
One little lore nugget: the working title Arita used when he (she?) wrote that volume was "The Marauder Queen," but it was since changed by the publisher to reflect the naming convention of the rest of the series. A number of first editions still carry the original title.

Hmm, since you mention this detail, I assume that you have already written a story where you have someone reading or picking up a copy of The Marauder Queen?
Lips = sealed.

quote:
6. Fox in the Black Bastion (1476) (which Black Bastion could that be?)
Hmm . . . I wonder . . .

quote:
Please WotC, give Erik the Hollywood-call!



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Erethar
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 :  00:16:18  Show Profile  Visit Erethar's Homepage Send Erethar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I finished Downshadow some days ago and thougt i should drop by to voice my opinion

I start with the things i didn't liked too much, but its nothing too serious. As with Depths of madness there is a bit too much Lust thrown around. The women strike me a little bit as how men would like them to be, beautiful and willing. As the reader I am mostly having the perspektive of kalen who is the focus of the longing here, you are definetely catering to the male reader here, right? ;)

But it's really a minor thing AND absolutely a subjective (?) one. Now on to the things I really liked:

You spent a lot of thought on Detail, in a way you are rewarding readers who know a lot about the realms as they can appreciate those little hints, like the verse from Thann or your mentioning of things pre 4e.
Which brings me to the next point. I think your linking the 'old' 3e era to the 4e era is the best I've read so far. I really got the feeling this is the same world although changed. The mentioning of now legendary people of old, the old now dead gods (really great Idea to let the main character be a follower of a dead god,you show us how the old flavor can be taken over to the new realms, es aspects of the new gods for example) and many other things

And the last, but i think crucial point is, even though you are limited by 'only' getting to write stand alone novels you succeed in creating your setting within the setting giving a feeling of a greater story arc above the single novels. Downshadow cannot only be seen as the story it is, but also as the view of a supporting character on a part of the 'main' story, being Fox' life that is. You reward people for knowing your other works without disappointing people who do not.

I think you will surely get more orders from wizard because of your strategy you encourage people to buy your other books also.

So, it is late here in germany, forgive me my mispellings and especially my grammar ( by the way, correcting my grammar helps me getting practice) for I'm too tired to read it through again. I wish you the best for the future an keep up the excellent work!

( ah, about the sexual thing again... as I know some of Greenwoods work, I think you're keeping a tradition, so it's not so bad after all ;) )
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 :  16:12:32  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@Erethar, I write women in a certain way, and I'm sorry if it doesn't work for you. In this case, it's not because I view women that way, but a consideration of my audience, which I think wants a number of things from female characters: smart, sexy, strong, independent, realistic. (And it's also clear to me that these things aren't mutually exclusive.)

I try to strike a balance between real and romanticized--so that these are real people in a real setting, but also keeping them fantasy heroines that *fit* with the traditions of fantasy, which is notably archetypal and tends toward metaphor rather than the literal. That doesn't mean I want or attempt to make them quote-unquote "chainmail bikini babes" but they do have a tendency toward being larger than life, as it were.

I personally think that all my female characters can be explained by one psychological construct or another, but I think I would point to Rayse and Cellica as the closest to "real women" I came. Fayne is a purposefully deceptive creature who plays on exactly this sort of thing (she manipulates people by *being* the way men want women to be) and Myrin is "not-all-there" as it were--basically, she's a teenage girl with a teenage girl's mentality. Given the chance, I plan to develop her substantially more as a character.

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gomez
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 :  16:12:41  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just briefly browsed through the Eye of Justice. Looks interesting, have to look a bit more into it, I only browsed through it.
Maybe I can get someone to set up the Chiangs (another Dragonmcoast-based org) against them. :D

Note that Shadowbane refers to a 'spellscarred flesh' ability that is missing from the statblock. Does it refer to his resist?
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Erik Scott de Bie
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USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 :  16:23:07  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wanted to mention two other things, in response to your long and excellent post, Erethar:

quote:
Originally posted by Erethar

As the reader I am mostly having the perspektive of kalen who is the focus of the longing here, you are definetely catering to the male reader here, right? ;)
Heh. Yes, a bit. Partly, that's just how the plot worked out, and as I said earlier, partly that's just Waterdeep as I see it. And thirdly, I wanted to invest him with a powerful romantic nature, in the tradition of Robin Hood, Batman, Roland of Gilead, etc. This sort of hero is sexy, and I wanted that to come across.

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You spent a lot of thought on Detail, in a way you are rewarding readers who know a lot about the realms as they can appreciate those little hints, like the verse from Thann or your mentioning of things pre 4e.
Thanks! And yes, I did this all purposefully. I, like many of my readers, love the Realms and all the lore, and I wanted to tell a new story in the advanced setting that would appeal to new readers whilst rewarding long-time readers and fans like myself.

The Threefold God idea came partly from how I initially thought up Shadowbane (as a crusader of Helm) before I knew anything about the time-skip or the new setting, and the desire to show the way the old lore influences the present day. I did want things to come across as legendary and really, really cool.

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( ah, about the sexual thing again... as I know some of Greenwoods work, I think you're keeping a tradition, so it's not so bad after all ;) )
Heh. Yes, honoring Ed's work and the flavor he invested in his setting was one of my priorities as well.

Cheers

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 :  16:38:53  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

Note that Shadowbane refers to a 'spellscarred flesh' ability that is missing from the statblock. Does it refer to his resist?
That is a non-attack ability that got cut from the final draft--I think rightly, as it's sort of redundant. Your instinct is right on: it does indeed refer to his resist 5 all when bloodied.

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Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Erethar
Seeker

Germany
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 :  00:16:31  Show Profile  Visit Erethar's Homepage Send Erethar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for your response mr. de Bie.

I want to point one thing out: Even though some things don't work so well with me, the overall novel makes more than up for it and i will gladly read any other forthcoming works from you. I really like the complex structure of your surrounding 'main plot'.

I share your view on Rayse and Cellica. Your explanation about Kalen being the centre because you wanted some superhero-flavor like batman is very helpful, i think i can grasp it now a little better ( it doesn't come to my mind because I grew up more with Asterix and Ducktales or 'Digedags' of anyone knows what i mean^^)

Seeing Myrin I briefly got my hopes up for a new goddess of magic if they ever let you write a trilogy, but what I've seen of 4e is looking like they don't want magic to be restricted to have more freedom working with it (gameplay and storywise)

One last question for the moment: I have read Downshadow and Depths of madness and 'The greater Treasure' and they connect really well. But as Ghostwalker is your first novel, I suspect it has none of those ties?
( Sadly can't get a hold on Realms of the Dragons II, it's sold out on amazon.de you contributet a short story there If i recall correctly?)

I'm sure we will see another FR Book from you, I hope they have some room in second half of 2010 :)
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Teneck
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 :  05:17:04  Show Profile  Visit Teneck's Homepage Send Teneck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erethar



One last question for the moment: I have read Downshadow and Depths of madness and 'The greater Treasure' and they connect really well. But as Ghostwalker is your first novel, I suspect it has none of those ties?




But if you read close he does a shout out to Ghostwalker in Downshadow...very subtle...but there.

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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 :  14:59:51  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erethar

Seeing Myrin I briefly got my hopes up for a new goddess of magic if they ever let you write a trilogy, but what I've seen of 4e is looking like they don't want magic to be restricted to have more freedom working with it (gameplay and storywise)
I have seen that theory advanced before--that Myrin is some sort of fledgling goddess of magic or heir to a similar power . . . we'll (hopefully) see in the future.

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(Sadly can't get a hold on Realms of the Dragons II, it's sold out on amazon.de you contributet a short story there If i recall correctly?)
I did indeed. RotD2 is out-of-print (has been for a while), so if you see any copies at any used bookstores, snap them up. If you ever make a trip to the states, you might have more luck over here.

quote:
Originally posted by Teneck

quote:
Originally posted by Erethar

One last question for the moment: I have read Downshadow and Depths of madness and 'The greater Treasure' and they connect really well. But as Ghostwalker is your first novel, I suspect it has none of those ties?
But if you read close he does a shout out to Ghostwalker in Downshadow...very subtle...but there.
Indeed. I think it's very appropriate and accurate, thematically.

Also, I think you'll find a subtle reference to Ghostwalker in my forthcoming short story contribution to the Realms of the Dead anthology.

Cheers

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sfdragon
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 :  21:32:19  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I read your eye of justice article it was pretty good....

now when is Foxxie at twilight getting ddi love???

and her evil twin shadow fox

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Erik Scott de Bie
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USA
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 :  23:17:16  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your guess is as good as mine. Are there a lot of people clamoring for it on the Wizards boards? That might make a difference.

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Darth KTrava
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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 :  23:57:33  Show Profile  Visit Darth KTrava's Homepage  Send Darth KTrava an AOL message Send Darth KTrava a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There seems to be a few, granted there's not many as it is...., who haved asked about Fox....

Right now the boards over there are down, or not cooperating with my Firefox....

I did finally finish Downshadow. It seems that Kalen is passing the torch, so are we done with that particular character?

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Erik Scott de Bie
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USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  03:01:36  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Darth KTrava

There seems to be a few, granted there's not many as it is...., who haved asked about Fox....
It's a small, scrappy insurgency.

My hope is to write her into a trilogy, so that more people will read about her. Nyah ha!

quote:
I did finally finish Downshadow. It seems that Kalen is passing the torch, so are we done with that particular character?
Oh, he's not passing the torch. He may indeed come back, and I have some excellent plans for how he'll make his return. In theory!

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  09:26:19  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Darth KTrava

There seems to be a few, granted there's not many as it is...., who haved asked about Fox....

Right now the boards over there are down, or not cooperating with my Firefox....

I did finally finish Downshadow. It seems that Kalen is passing the torch, so are we done with that particular character?



whats it doing, saying tech error???
thats what it says on mine, just go through the main page, works for me, and I use FireFox.

wonder, does Foxxie at Twiight use firefox?

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Brimstone
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  12:10:29  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had to start going through the D&D Site also.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  15:56:06  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, Firefox is having issues with the site. I suggest using another Internet Browser--Internet Explorer worked fine for me.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  16:00:00  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also, I should add that I made the ending of Downshadow purposefully ambiguous as to whether Shadowbane plans to continue his quest against evil. If you as the DM want to have your PCs pick up the quest (particularly using the Eye of Justice material on DDI (check Dungeon's October articles) or the upcoming Channel Divinity: Torm article that will appear on Dragon in November), the ending of Downshadow makes for an excellent segue into their career. Perhaps the sword goes to one of them, and they will have a destiny like Shadowbane did.

Or maybe Shadowbane still has the sword, and will wield it in upcoming novels. We'll see!

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

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Darth KTrava
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  22:10:18  Show Profile  Visit Darth KTrava's Homepage  Send Darth KTrava an AOL message Send Darth KTrava a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not to mention further development of Myrin as well.

And IE gave me the same error. So I guess Epic FAIL on the WOTC site....

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sfdragon
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so Erik... would you ever consider using a mimic disguised as a ghost ship in one of your novels??

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 :  17:48:13  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Assuming that mimics have a swim speed? Sure.

I will ask . . . where did THAT come from? It's a pretty out-of-the-blue question.

Though I did notice that a Mimic sourcebook came out recently . . .

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sfdragon
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oh it came from out of the nowhere and the somewhere while I was laughing at something else......

well they have been known to get very big.....mimic splat??? where

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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

oh it came from out of the nowhere and the somewhere while I was laughing at something else......

well they have been known to get very big.....mimic splat??? where



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sfdragon
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oh and btw, dont think they'd need a swim spead, they'd just float around or something......or swim like a duck....

hahaha

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Darth KTrava

There seems to be a few, granted there's not many as it is...., who haved asked about Fox....
It's a small, scrappy insurgency.

My hope is to write her into a trilogy, so that more people will read about her. Nyah ha!

quote:
I did finally finish Downshadow. It seems that Kalen is passing the torch, so are we done with that particular character?
Oh, he's not passing the torch. He may indeed come back, and I have some excellent plans for how he'll make his return. In theory!

Cheers



huh, that sounds like writer speak for you have aready turned in your first draft(fingers crossed)

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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 17 Nov 2009 :  22:21:00  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

huh, that sounds like writer speak for you have aready turned in your first draft(fingers crossed)

Nope, I tell you very truthfully--other than the Realms of the Dead anthology coming out in a couple months, I have nothing in the novel/short story works with WotC at the moment.

Cheers

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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

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