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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Mar 2009 :  00:47:45  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nice thoughts Erik. I'm a fan of the New Moon Pact. So any speculative tidbits on them are alright with me.
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Politically, I imagine they would either draw closer to Selune's priesthood in the wake of the Spellplague (when the gods needed all the servants they could get) or they may have distanced themselves in order to form their own group separate from Selune's priesthood but still paying homage to Selune. (Perhaps they even come into conflict with regular Selunites as of old?)
This is an interesting possibility. Given Shar's relative increase in power and influence among the 4e Realms, the NMP may have devised new methods of combat against her dark minions that wouldn't ordinarily have been sanctioned by Selūne or her clergy.

Interestingly enough, Malar's "Exarch" status and slight decrease in power may have also allowed the NMP to focus almost exclusively on Shar. Something the Selūnites may not be happy with.
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And before I get to the point of suggesting you use a Selunite elf cat-girl, I'll stop.
Heh. It's at about this time that I'd usually suggest a "Nova Cat-Girl."

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Christopher_Rowe
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While I bow to y'all's wiser heads with these specifics, I don't think the various "promotions and demotions" among the gods are likely to have a lot of impact on the ground in terms of how worshipers, clergies, cults, and orders that straddle the lines between the divine and the martial (or primal, or arcane, or ki, or shadow, or what have you) relate to one another in strict real politic terms. Well, yes, in the case of the lost gods, for sure. But we've already seen that at least one very powerful priest of Baravar (it was Baravar, right?) is still living among Waterdeep's gnomes.

If there's one thing I've learned in more than twenty years of following the Realms, it's that the pecking order in the heavens is never settled. Or even knowable!


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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Mar 2009 :  02:35:25  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good point Christopher.

However, we know from previous lore that the members of the NMP are specifically focused on the actions of Shar and her dark minions, as well as those ambitious plans of Malar and the Cult of the Black Blood and so forth.

So I'd imagine this would be one instance where that reasoning doesn't always hold true. In fact, because Shar's influence has only increased over the last century, the NMP could interpret this as a failure on their part -- since they were originally charged with watching and defending against her threatening power.

Thus, it is possible that these lycanthropic servants of the Moon Goddess could indeed be very concerned about Shar's greater influence in the post-Spellplague Realms. And, as such, adjust their operational doctrines against her accordingly.

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Afetbinttuzani
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Erik, thanks for your generous offering of great ideas, despite my stupidity in posting to your thread rather than Eric Boyd“s. I consider it pure serendipity to have been able to pick your brain as well :-)

Thanks to the rest of you too for your input.

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Absolutely, Sage. As I said, with regard to the particulars in this particular, y'all certainly know than me!

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Good point Christopher.

However, we know from previous lore that the members of the NMP are specifically focused on the actions of Shar and her dark minions, as well as those ambitious plans of Malar and the Cult of the Black Blood and so forth.

So I'd imagine this would be one instance where that reasoning doesn't always hold true. In fact, because Shar's influence has only increased over the last century, the NMP could interpret this as a failure on their part -- since they were originally charged with watching and defending against her threatening power.

Thus, it is possible that these lycanthropic servants of the Moon Goddess could indeed be very concerned about Shar's greater influence in the post-Spellplague Realms. And, as such, adjust their operational doctrines against her accordingly.


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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 02 Apr 2009 :  18:15:58  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So Downshadow is up as the flagship book for April on Wizards.com's book page.

There's also a sample chapter available here: http://ww2.wizards.com/books/Wizards/Products/?doc=240257400

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

So Downshadow is up as the flagship book for April on Wizards.com's book page.

There's also a sample chapter available here: http://ww2.wizards.com/books/Wizards/Products/?doc=240257400

Cheers



And it's a real link this time, too!

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

So Downshadow is up as the flagship book for April on Wizards.com's book page.

There's also a sample chapter available here: http://ww2.wizards.com/books/Wizards/Products/?doc=240257400

Cheers

Looking good Erik!

But I'm avoiding the "sample chapter" as I do with every FR book that I'm really looking forward to. I don't want to spoil my experience with reading it later.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 03 Apr 2009 :  18:20:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I checked it out.

quote:
But Araezra had a great love of kittens, too.



"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 03 Apr 2009 :  19:47:53  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I checked it out.

quote:
But Araezra had a great love of kittens, too.





Aww.

I thought it was just the prologue, actually, but I guess it's chapter one too. (Or is it JUST chapter one?)

I haven't actually downloaded the sample chapter as yet. (Figure I've read it. )

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie


I thought it was just the prologue, actually, but I guess it's chapter one too. (Or is it JUST chapter one?)



Prologue and chapter one, apparently.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 04 Apr 2009 :  00:13:39  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cool. Thanks for checking for me!

Cheers

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You're welcome.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 06 Apr 2009 :  18:07:36  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For those who haven't read it anywhere yet, it seems Jamallo Kreen passed away rather suddenly over the weekend.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12023&whichpage=42

I didn't know JK that well, and had only interacted with him a few times--in this thread and a few others around the site. Our opinions (particularly re: 4e FR) were almost always different, and we would have had great thunderous debates. (I kinda wish we'd had more of those, actually.)

Rest in Peace, Christian--and the rest of us take heart. Do not doubt but that he is exploring far more wonderous worlds than any of us could imagine.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

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The Sage
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I'm sure Jamallo would've appreciated that, Erik. Nice.

Do you mind if I include that in the "tribute compilation" I'm putting together for Jamallo? It'll feature some of his best and most informative/thought provoking posts, as well as a tribute from Ed.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  00:43:22  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Go for it.

You might also add this anecdote, which only occurred to me after the post:

The first time I ever met JK, I called him Jamallo Green by mistake. He took it sort of as a compliment, actually, as an amusing slip that conflated him with Master Green(wood). The thing is, it kind of wasn't entirely unintentional.

He was a good scribe and a worthy voice. He shall be missed.

Cheers

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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  00:43:33  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Given that it's the 7th [for me at least], and I'm really eager for discussion on this book to begin, I'll note that the Book Club scrolls for Downshadow are now open.

Enjoy.

[Note:- I'll open a discussion scroll for Erik's Wizards.com companion story to Downshadow when it goes live]

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  01:30:05  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for that Sage! I am very much looking forward to it as well.

Cheers

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Erethar
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  21:02:29  Show Profile  Visit Erethar's Homepage Send Erethar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello there,

THis is my first post here on Candlekeep, so greetings to everyone. I'm a long-time Fan of the Realms, though more on the reading then on the playing part. I#m right now going through a lot of the newer novels, and after i will have City of Splendors finished, I'm looking forward to reading Dephts of Madness. The reviews i read sounded really interesting.

That said I find it amazing to see a place to directly speak with the Authors and even the Creator of the Setting!

But now, before I ramble on and on without hitting the topic:

Mr. de Bie, how did you came into writing for WotC in the first place? was there an open call for an anthology, or did you know someone who know someone?

I'm sorry if this was already asked before (sure it was) but I found nothing and there are a LOT to read in here.

Thanks in Advance,

Erethar
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  21:17:33  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Greetings, Erethar, and congrats on your first post! Make yourself very welcome in this place.

I got my start writing for the Realms after the Maiden of Pain open call back in 2003 (or around there). WotC was looking for a novel for their priests series, and they opened it up to submissions from the public. I didn't "win" that call (that honor fell to Kameron Franklin), but WotC liked my submission enough that they kept my name on hand for a latter, smaller, closed call (of about 20-30 people) for a fighters novel and a wizards novel. Mine was one of the two submissions chosen, and it became Ghostwalker, my first novel.

I had previously sent in a sample of my writing, so that WotC could see my style. It didn't turn into an anthology entry or a novel or anything, but that might have been at the back of someone's mind as well when they looked at my submission.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

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Erethar
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  21:30:38  Show Profile  Visit Erethar's Homepage Send Erethar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
First, thank you for your quick replay, it was quite enlightening.

But to clarify some things for me, did you send the sample in unsolicited?

I must admit I would love to write something that gets published (so my congratulations on that) but one has to keep realistic: aside from not having written anything of importance yet, i have the language barrier as another wall of spiked iron before me. Regrettably the market for german publishing is not as good, plus my absolute favorite sub-genre is english only - P&P novelisation, FR in particular. We have with DSA a german setting, but it doesn't appeal to me like FR does.

Again I'm sorry for my rambling, so let me give you my best wishes for downshadow, hope it will be a success. I read the sample chapter on wizards.com an it got me interested, but My reading order at the moment ist Your depths of madness, then on to Blackstaff tower and mistshore, after that i think i will give Downshadow a try.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Apr 2009 :  22:28:24  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They were both solicited calls, yeah, even if the first was very open ("anyone and everyone, please submit!"). I don't think WotC is looking for any new writers at the moment--at least not for the Realms. The publishing department has contracted in the recent economic crisis and I think it'll be a while before they're looking for fresh blood again.

Besides, why not just write your own fantasy? I appreciate that the german markets are difficult, but publishing through WotC is party to its own severe hindrances. For a first, if you write an FR story, there's only one company in the world who'll be able to print it--and if they don't want it, they don't want it. I've thought up at least 15 FR novels since I started publishing in 2005, and I've published 3 of them now. It's not that they don't *want* to do your stuff (though sometimes they don't like an idea you really like)--they just don't have space. You think I'm content with one novel every 1.5 years? Nuh-uh!

This can be avoided by writing your own stuff in your own setting. Not only will you be able to sell it to whoever you want (and probably get a better deal), but you'll be able to tell whatever story you want, with whatever characters/creatures/rules you want, with no one to tell you not to. (Well, your editor might prune you a little--but you see where I'm coming from?)

Not that I want to chase you away from FR, but please--expand your horizons to include other stuff as well. There are LOTS of sword-and-sorcery fantasy stories out there, and you should keep reading them. If FR is your cup of tea, then great--more power to you. But don't LIMIT yourself to just this one setting.

Cheers


P.S. And as far as English goes, you seem quite adept to me. I think as you work more and more, you will just get better and better. Also, an editor will help you (particularly if you're publishing in an American market). You might try to get a translator to help you translate your draft from German to English, if you write in German. It wouldn't be a bad thing to do anyway, since that way you can smooth out any "germanisms" that will crop up. I did this a lot in college with papers written by first-language Japanese students--the english articles "a" and "the" cause a LOT of trouble for Japanese-English papers, for instance. You may be able to polish up a manuscript immensely with such a consultation.

Erik Scott de Bie

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Erik Scott de Bie
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For those of you interested, check out this thread about the contest on my blog: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12382

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

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Have not read any FR lately...looks like that is going to change with what arrived on my porch yesterday!

Time to delve into Downshadow at last......Erik you must forgive me if I finish my current read first! ( John Stienback's the Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights)

See you in the book club!

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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  07:50:41  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This comes from a conversation in Ed's scroll:

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Oooh! Tantalising right to the last moment, eh Erik?

Isn't that just so me?

And I'll give a classic Erik Scott de Bie answer to this question:
quote:
I especially like hearing about the part re: the chapbooks. Do you happen to name any of them specifically? I'd love to add them to the "Candlekeep Book List" that I'm re-compiling.


Yes.

Oh man . . . that's just mean. Better follow it up with:

At least 10 of them.

quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Oooh, a clock! Is this a magical clock or a clockwork clock? (I don't recall Waterdeep having a clock tower, so I presume this is a post-100 year leap development)... Have they managed to make clockwork small enough for watches by then?

Err... I mean, I hate the 4th Ed Realms and I want nothing to do with them! (I still would love to see the answer to that question...)

LOL moment!

It is a clockwork clock, based on designs created by the main character of the Watercourse trilogy from 100 years ago. The clock is named somewhat uncreatively "Timehands" (but 'tis a sensible name, considering the novelty, so that people would know what it does, as I figure most people haven't seen a clock).

quote:
(Hmm... I'm definitely going to be keeping my eye out for Downshadow here in Australia. Anyone know if it's out here yet? Or is it something I'm going to have to order specially?)


What Sage said. I hope you can get your hands on it.

I suspect, vis a vis some of our other conversations, that certain aspects of this book will be quite gratifying for you particularly. But I wouldn't want to speak too much to that point--we'll see how you like it.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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