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Hawkins
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 :  00:03:41  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just thought that I would let you know that I read The Greater Treasure in Realms of the Elves and enjoyed it. Will have to look into at least borrowing Depths of Madness from the library even if I do not buy it.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 29 Oct 2007 :  21:45:25  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Erik, I hope you don't mind, but I have a theoretical questions that is based on a few suppositions, if you don't mind indulging (and I fully realize that as such its all theory and no "canon," so to speak). (Spoilers for the Savage Tide Adventure Path from Dungeon Magazine):

Assuming the most likely resolution of the Savage Tide, that being the destruction of Demogorgon and his displacement as the Prince of Demons, how would this affect Slip, and what would she do one way or the other?

Thanks in advance Erik.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 29 Oct 2007 :  23:49:06  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Hey Erik, I hope you don't mind, but I have a theoretical questions that is based on a few suppositions, if you don't mind indulging

Well, I am certainly not an expert, nor am I a designer, nor do I even know anything about the Savage Tide adventure path, but . . .

Theoretically, if Demogorgon were to buy the farm, kick the bucket, get offed, etc. for any reason, any of a number of things would happen to one of his priests--in particular, one of his favored souls, which Daltyrex is. (We're going to assume, for the sake of this discussion, that Demogorgon really *is* Daltyrex's divine patron, grants spells, etc.)

If your divine patron goes beyond beyond the veil, I imagine you lose all divine abilities granted by that patron. If this happens at a bad time, it's possible your prepared spells still function (because the god/dess gave you the power when you prayed); then again, they might not. Also, possibly the death of a deity might have consequences for a favored soul. Those are questions for a designer. Regardless, you wouldn't be able to pray for more spells thereafter from that patron (obviously).

Now as for Daltyrex's case. If/when Demo dies, Daltyrex loses her divine abilities, possibly leading to a disruption of her control of the Depths. Assuming she survives, escapes the Depths, gets out of the desert alive, etc., she might latch onto a new deity, who may or may not be able to replace her abilities. This hasn't happened to her before--in my conception, she was always a servant of Demogorgon, even if she didn't realize it--she never served Yondalla, then converted, etc. Logically, she would just serve Demo's replacement--s/he might very well make it a priority to recruit Demo's best servants--or she might not, because the replacement may want to get rid of all trace of Demogorgon (pull a Kiaranslee). Or someone else entirely might claim her soul the way Demogorgon has.

As for Daltyrex's actual fate, I couldn't say. WotC might indeed want to write that someday.


So that's my thinking on the subject. You are free, of course, to have anything you want happen in your own game--if this even applies to your game. :)

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 :  00:12:47  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Heh, not to my game specifically, but when I got to thinking about the subject and its potential ramifications for the Realms, I thought of Slip right off the bat, so I thought I'd pick your brain on the theoretical subject.

Spoiler for the Tide, again:

While there is no "official" ending, James Jaccobs said his thought process would be something along the lines of, after the smoke clearing, and all of Orcus' and Graz'zt's and the other's troops leaving the field, Obox-ob might claim the title again. This might make for an interesting patron for Slip, but I don't know if the Lord of Vermin would be interested in her as a favored soul.

At any rate, thanks for the reply Erik. I appreciate it.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 :  01:43:30  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, she is a kind of vermin, isn't she? I imagine that angle could get played up . . .

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 31 Oct 2007 :  12:21:40  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Erik,

I was in a Borders the other night and decided to flip through The Grand History of the Realms.

It was very cool to see Fox at Twilight's little blurb in there!


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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 31 Oct 2007 :  14:57:41  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
See, I don't have a copy of this book yet, so I haven't read it myself! GAH!!!

Ok. I'm better.

It's a huge honor to be included in such a prestigious, pivotal, and even somewhat controversial work, and one that was born right here at the Keep!

I've also had the honor to meet Brian James in person (though not read his book! Bad Erik! Bad!) and his darling family--which tides me over until I can actually get a copy.

Cheers

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Edited by - Erik Scott de Bie on 31 Oct 2007 15:00:52
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Wanderer
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  03:28:51  Show Profile  Visit Wanderer's Homepage  Send Wanderer an AOL message Send Wanderer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gahh, alright, I'm sorry. It's in the mail, just mailed it today. Yes I know its been about a month since I said I'd send you it, but better late then never right? Oh, didja get that thing I sent ya? (email)
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  16:07:24  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
(For explanation, this rascal who calls himself "Wanderer" is my best friend, who's supposed to be mailing me a copy of GHotR.)

And yes, I did indeed get the email. Replying soon!

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  16:35:20  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

(For explanation, this rascal who calls himself "Wanderer" is my best friend, who's supposed to be mailing me a copy of GHotR.)

And yes, I did indeed get the email. Replying soon!

Cheers




Friend ehhhh??

Sounds more like a wealthy patron I'd say

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  16:45:47  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

(For explanation, this rascal who calls himself "Wanderer" is my best friend, who's supposed to be mailing me a copy of GHotR.)

Friend ehhhh??
Sounds more like a wealthy patron I'd say

The Realms equivalent of a sugar daddy.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  19:52:34  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

(For explanation, this rascal who calls himself "Wanderer" is my best friend, who's supposed to be mailing me a copy of GHotR.)

Friend ehhhh??
Sounds more like a wealthy patron I'd say

The Realms equivalent of a sugar daddy.

Cheers



Well eventually you will have to earn that largesse

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Dec 2007 :  21:40:08  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not that this is particularly relevant, but for all those Fox-at-Twilight fans out there, I came up with a pic that's pretty spot on for my visualization of Twilight.

Interestingly enough, it's one of the first "fantasy women" pictures I saw as a kid, getting into then 2e AD&D. Strange how memory works out.

Anyway, check out my blog to read all about it:

http://eriksdb.livejournal.com/123929.html

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Erik Scott de Bie

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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Dec 2007 :  22:54:03  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Neat. You broke into D&D through PLANESCAPE, Erik? No wonder you and I connect so well. And just as Elmore was DRAGONLANCE, Diterlizzi was PLANESCAPE. Great stuff!

As for the "Cat Lord," I can definitely feel the "Twilight-vibe" from it. 'Tis one of my favorite images from the Planescape Monstrous Compendium I.

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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Not that this is particularly relevant, but for all those Fox-at-Twilight fans out there, I came up with a pic that's pretty spot on for my visualization of Twilight.

Interestingly enough, it's one of the first "fantasy women" pictures I saw as a kid, getting into then 2e AD&D. Strange how memory works out.

Anyway, check out my blog to read all about it:

http://eriksdb.livejournal.com/123929.html

Cheers



If Amy Lee were an elf.....

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 08 Dec 2007 :  02:31:18  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Not that this is particularly relevant, but for all those Fox-at-Twilight fans out there, I came up with a pic that's pretty spot on for my visualization of Twilight.

Interestingly enough, it's one of the first "fantasy women" pictures I saw as a kid, getting into then 2e AD&D. Strange how memory works out.

Anyway, check out my blog to read all about it:

http://eriksdb.livejournal.com/123929.html

Cheers



Cool picture, thanks for sharing it with us!

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 08 Dec 2007 :  17:18:41  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey, just givin' love to those artists who deserve it! :)

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TomCosta
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Just an FYI, that Erik and I have posted stats for Twilight, Gargan, and Tlork in the General area of the forums.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10646 and

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10647
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Penknight
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Is there any chance of seeing Cythara or her brother statted out here on the boards in the near future?

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 :  04:04:46  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's always possible.

If these posts are well received, we just might.

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Drunken Master
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 :  18:43:47  Show Profile  Visit Drunken Master's Homepage Send Drunken Master a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Erik, you & Costa are awesome - thanks for posting all those stats!!! I look forward to tying them into my campaign somehow!

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 :  18:53:49  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aw shucks.

Tom and I have been working on these for a while, and we had the basic stats some time ago, which allowed me to incorporate Twilight into a couple games I ran with my own tabletop group. Not as much about dealing with her personally (though there was one memorable duel that resulted in all the PCs knocked unconscious), but more about working through intrigues and adventures involving her past.

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The Sage
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Oooh! I would've loved to have been a participate at your gaming table Erik. Sounds like fun. And you revealed a little more about Twilight's past? Neat.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 13 Feb 2008 :  00:27:47  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Oooh! I would've loved to have been a participate at your gaming table Erik.

And you would be most welcome!

Yet another reason to come to Indy, mayhap?

quote:
Sounds like fun. And you revealed a little more about Twilight's past? Neat.

I did indeed.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Penknight
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

It's always possible.

If these posts are well received, we just might.

Cheers

Then I have to tell you, they were well received!

Also, I have a certain fey'ri PC/NPC that I would like to use her with in one of my campaigns (if Cythara would 'spend time' with a fey'ri, that is. )

Thanks for all that you've done thus far and still continue to do, and know that I look forward to seeing more!

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